She looks good.

just curious.

You just randomly picking Ann Coulter as a name because I really thought the whole 'Ann Coulter was as man' thing was pretty much a dead topic here at DU ages ago since it was pretty offensive to Transgenders.

is an adjective, not a noun.

Better terms are "trans woman"
"Trans man"
"Trans person/people"

Didn't realize that.

Just want trying to figure out why we would worry about how Ann Coulter felt about all of this knowing how people here on DU use to call Ann Couler a man. Try to do good and I get yelled at anyways so nevermind.

Take it as the learning experience it was and move on.

grammar nazi side). Hell even words like trannies or sh**ale don't offend me (provider they are not said with vitriol).

Just trying to educate you, because some of the more sensitive members of the trans community don't like it.

As for Ann Coulter, considering how vile and anti LGBT she is, I kind of view her as fair game - but understand why others don't.

that is geared towards the LGBT Community in the healthcare field.

As part of my job, we attended the LGBT Marketing Conference about 4 weeks ago, it was held in the New York Times building in NYC. It was a four day event and is hosted yearly. The goal of the conference is the DO's and DON'Ts when marketing to the LGBT community.

The term TRANSGENDER was used numerous times, and was not seen as "offensive" in any way. Let's be clear, this was a national level event, sponsored by the LGBT Community, on how to effectively market to the LGBT community. They have their facts researched with extensive statistics.

I am really tired of DU'ers trying to make rules as individuals for an entire community. If you feel personally that you are offended by the term "transgender", then that is your preference. But please don't try to make it out that is a derogatory label or offensive in any way.

There are about 40 presentation that were given over the 4 day conference, and each one is available online in PDF format. If anyone is interested in the links, send me a PM.

trans only message board (not a reddit). It is private. This issue has been discussed NUMEROUS times on said board. Hell, I'd copy paste the messages but that would (theoretically) get me banned because you're also not allowed to show anything from said message board.

"Transgender woman" is fine
"Transgender person" is fine
"Transgender man" is fine

"She is transgender" is fine

"She is a transgender" is not fine
"Those guys are transgenders" is not fine

Sources:

http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender

"Problematic: "transgenders," "a transgender"
Preferred: transgender people, a transgender person
Transgender should be used as an adjective, not as a noun. Do not say, "Tony is a transgender," or "The parade included many transgenders." Instead say, "Tony is a transgender man," or "The parade included many transgender people.""

Considering the appearance during the interview with Sawyer. Way too much of a difference in too little time.
But then I'm sure they photoshop everyone who appears on their cover.

I first saw the headline on Huffington Post and wondered what the big deal was about having Jessica Lange on the cover. Let's face it - I doubt that Jenner looks anything like that in RL.

I would have been more impressed with less Photo-editing.

"She spent 10 hours undergoing painful facial-feminisation surgery"

There may also have been some photoshopping, but not surprised she looks very different from the last interview we saw done.

In the video, her appearance is just like this photo. Amazing, I think.

I wanna see how similar it is to the photoshop picture.

I laughed at the picture, not because Jenner is now Kaitlyn, but because who is supposed to believe she really looks like that?

Although good bone structure is good good structure - male or female.

new life Caitlyn!

And she's older than me Jealous.

I look 20 years older than her.

She looks absolutely stunning!

along with plastic surgery.

Yes Caitlyn looks beautiful but there is alot of work done on that photo to make it look amazing both before the photo and after it was taken. So why you should feel bad? People hire Annie Liebowitz these days because of her ability to do amazing portraits which includes a great deal of extra editing to remove the everyday flaws and imperfections. Also Jenner even discussed in the article about the painstaking plastic surgery recently undergone for the more feminine facial features.

For the plastic surgery this is not a criticism towards Ms. Jenner - she has the right to do the things to make her feel comfortable in life. But as a woman, I realize that when I look at these magazine covers (not just Jenner's) and see these absolutely flawless or near flawless faces on them, especially of women my age or older, there is always photo-editing involved. It's a shame we can't just show women age gracefully on these magazine covers but instead we have to photo-edit them in a away to make the rest of us women feel like we are doing something wrong because we can't have near perfect skin like other women.

had extensive facial feminization surgery performed (discussed in the article), so the natural aspects of aging were probably eradicated to a substantial degree.

Similar results in the before/after photos of this reconstructive surgeon, particularly with the older subjects.
http://www.drspiegel.com/ffs-surgery-photos/

And in many cases would probably agree, but under the circumstances I don't have a problem with Caitlyn Jenner's first introduction to the world as a woman being done in such a way as to make here look and feel as beautiful as possible. There's plenty of time for the more everyday pictures- and I'm sure we're gonna get them- maybe even in this issue- but let this moment/cover show her how she wants to be seen.

Also, again, I don't know how much was photoshopped, but I'm kinda guessing less than you might think. More the surgery, I'd guess, and that's part of her transitioning.

shock over with. She's going out as she is now and doesn't want anyone to be surprised.

It would be nice if people of whatever gender could be comfortable looking like they look, especially with respect to aging. Although Ms. Jenner can do whatever she wants, this sort of plastic sugery/photoshop extravaganza does no one any good, least of all Jenner. Is there some reason why she can't live as a woman without turning herself into a magazine cover babe? Which is unsustainable. I find this sad.

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I have no problems with that. However, that looks to be a lot of air-burshing, which I don't think is necessary and I find fault with Vanity Fair for that.

Fixed!

...my bad. I should know better too!

Everyone photoshops. That is what they are hired to do. Annie did a classy photo but sometimes I wish there was a 'before' photo somewhere so we can see just how much work was done.

People, cars, buildings, animals, food. For better or worse, they all get some tweaking (it is Vanity Fair after all). I expect it, because I do it too. I haven't had a client yet who didn't want me to touch up their final product.

I just think she's lost her mojo. But I doubt she'll quit since she's millions in debt.

Looks like she hasn't missed a beat with this shoot.

Don't get me wrong, she's done some outstanding work, but she has been mostly phoning it in for years. We used to get a connection/feeling about her subject from her shots. However, Caitlyn seems more like a prop than a person.

There are other photographers out there that could have made Caitlyn look better IMO. But for a famous photo shoot, you need a famous photographer.

that's a valid criticism. I'm not a photographer and don't look at it with a critic's eye. I have heard that Annie has a knack for making her subjects feel relaxed and unstressed during a photo shoot, which from my perspective is really important (and may have been part of the reason Caitlyn chose her, assuming it was a choice).

She is also heroic - an inspiration to everyone who is afraid to be themselves - physically, mentally, or by actions.

And her girls will be dressing her up like you won't believe. She could become a successful 60+ model, which would be a feat. Just glad this is making her happy and honest with her loved ones.

she has just switched lies. You can live as a female without the massive amount of plastic surgery that went into this particular life change.

a glamor photo -- extensive hair and make-up and now, amazing photoshopping. Our culture has trained us to see girls and women in this altered light. It's not real.

Apparently, there's a lot of interest in this - TV shows, now a Vanity Fair cover. But that media skews older.

My reaction to her story was along the lines of "Ok. Good for her. What else is going on?". And my peers had similar reactions.

Wonder if it's just the people I regularly communicate with, or if there's an actual cultural divide involved, or if it's just trying to milk every bit of coverage out of her story. It's not like the Kardashian's reality TV show isn't a massive overexposure engine.

is transgender and an activist. He feels this is important, particularly because Caitlyn is being very open about the issues of living most of her life in a lie. I'm glad your peers don't see it as anything special, but it will continue to be an issue until everyone feels that way - and we're certainly not there, yet.

did she or didn't she? Who cares? This is her birthday and she's doing more for trans women in this world than most everyone else. Imagine seeing that picture of yourself on shelves and hearing the comments. I say, you look beautiful, lady. Now go and be happy. As for the photoshop commentary ... did you really have to go there? Today?

Let Caitlyn be Caitlyn! It's HER day. She looks like she wants to look. Hell, I think some of the rest of you are just jealous! I didn't look that good, ever, but I can't be nasty to her about this. She's been through enough, hiding all these years. Just go on, lady, and be YOU, and have a great time doing it!

She still looks pretty good.

Does it matter that Photoshop wasn't a factor?

If you don't, I will Photoshop it....

I wonder how she came up with the name Caitlyn.

are full of shit. The headline from vanity fair is "Call me Caitlyn", both the telegraph and people here should respect that request.

She is stunning.

Actually it doesn't matter if he was a 200 pound guy with a wart on his nose and became a 200 pound lady with same wart.

Not my life, not my choice.

Why would anyone care what someone else chooses to do with their life?

Most people who transition can't afford the work it took to look like that. And most of them who can afford it will not end up looking anything close to that.

I admire her for what she's done and I'm glad she's living authentically, but I don't think this is helpful.

but a positive image, even if that image doesn't apply to most in the trans community, is not a bad thing. With the larger society we live in, publicity like this brings acceptance to the greater trans community.

Extremely sucessful male prefers to live as a woman and takes the plunge...and adopts the most lamentable aspect of the "approved" female persona - fake, fake, fake.

Do you hate Dolly Parton too?

are just disgusting.. Why are people so cruel? Guess cause they can hide behind their computers like the cowards they are.

There were a vanishingly small number of Caitlyns registered until the mid to late 80's. Coming across a 60-something Caitlyn is like reading of a Dickens heroine named Traci, a rather jarring sense of displaced time, unless the idea here is to intentionally engender some kind of Proustian flashback that makes people think of 20 to 30-something women when they meet a person of that name, which I guess fits the youth-obssessed "celebrity" culture embodied here.

Raising visibility for trans persons.

If that image prevents even ONE lonely, confused, frightened, constantly-bullied transgendered teen from committing suicide, I say hooray for photoshopping and brava, Caitlyn Jenner!