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brooklynite

(95,014 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:52 PM Jun 2015

Text of Letter to DNC Chair from Bernie Sanders on 2016 Debates

Source: 4President Blog

NEW YORK, – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, on Monday urged Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Democratic National Committee chair, to consider a series of debates among Democratic candidates beginning this summer.

Sanders also suggested that Democratic candidates would benefit by engaging in early debates with Republican candidates.

Sanders also called for a "50-state strategy" in which debates would be held in states that, at this time, are not electing Democratic candidates.

Text of the letter follows:

June 1, 2015
Washington, D.C

Honorable Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Chair Democratic National Committee
430 South Capitol Street SE
Washington, DC 20003

Thanks for doing the excellent job you are doing.

The purpose of this letter is to discuss the issue of debates in the upcoming Democratic primary nominating process. In recent weeks, as I have traveled around the country, I have been hearing concerns from voters about the need for vigorous candidate debate. The people of this country are tired of political gossip, personal attacks and ugly 30-second ads. They want the candidates to engage in serious discussion about the very serious issues facing our country today.

In my view, the candidates for President should engage in a series of debates beginning this summer. I want to outline my reasons why these debates would be very beneficial to the cause of the Democratic Party and progressive politics in America.

Voter Turnout: In recent years, low voter turnout has hurt progressive candidates all across our nation. As you know, the lower levels of turnout in both 2010 and 2014 have resulted in huge Republican gains in the House and Senate as well as in statewide and legislative races. It’s obvious that when more people vote, more Democrats win elections, and so the purpose of our campaign should be to encourage as much voter participation as possible.

I believe a larger number of debates beginning in the weeks ahead would encourage such voter participation and I think we have ample evidence to demonstrate that fact. First, the large number of debates in the 2008 Presidential campaign is probably one of the reasons why that campaign was so successful in helping not only elect President Obama to an historic victory but for the Democrats to control the House of Representative and elect sixty members of our Democratic Caucus in the Senate. Those debates helped voters, beginning in the primary process, to understand more about the candidates and their positions on issues.

I believe that we should not learn the wrong lessons from the past but instead should look at the fact that an engaged and vigorous nominating process was one of the keys to success in registering voters early on and convincing people they had a meaningful stake in the general election in November. In 2008 voter turnout was extremely high, and that vigorous process of multiple debates and an engaged nominating process, was one of the reasons for this increased voter turnout that enormously benefitted Democrats at all levels of politics.

Inter-Party Debates
In addition to having a number of early debates beginning this summer and continuing through the primary and caucus process, I believe we need to go beyond the bounds of traditional party debates. I am extremely concerned by the fact that many working-class Americans are voting against their best economic interests by supporting right-wing Republicans whose agenda represents the interests of the billionaire class, and not the needs of working Americans. Why are millions of struggling Americans voting for Republican candidates who want to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and education while giving huge tax breaks to the very richest people in this country?

That is why I believe we should be open to a less traditional form of debating by welcoming the opportunity to debate not only amongst members of the Democratic Party but also having debates between Democratic and Republican candidates during the primary process. I believe that these inter-party debates would put in dramatic focus the shallow and at times ridiculous policies and proposals being advocated by the Republican candidates and by their party’s platform. It would also serve to engage large numbers of voters who typically do not pay attention to the process until much later when the general election begins to come into focus. By engaging these voters early and raising the stakes around the election I believe we can get people to participate at higher levels which will undoubtedly benefit Democrats up and down the ticket.

Further, I also think it is important for us to debate not only in the early states but also in many states which currently do not have much Democratic presidential campaign activity. While a number of these non-target states have not in the past had much organized campaign presence, I believe it is critical for the Democratic Party and progressive forces in America to engage voters in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. By expanding the scope geographically of debates beyond the early calendar states we can begin to awaken activism at the grassroots level in those states and signal to Democrats and progressives in places like Texas, Mississippi, Utah, and Wyoming that their states are not forgotten by the Democratic Party.

I would be happy to discuss these ideas and proposals with you or members of your staff. In the meantime, I hope we can use this as an opportunity to build a constructive dialogue around this issue and others affecting the nominating process.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

Senator Bernie Sanders


Read more: http://blog.4president.org/2016/2015/06/text-of-letter-to-dnc-chair-from-bernie-sanders-on-2016-debates.html



Apparently Bernie Sanders isn't in agreement with the prevailing opinion about DWS here at DU?
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Text of Letter to DNC Chair from Bernie Sanders on 2016 Debates (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2015 OP
Good for him. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #1
I though he was going to be honest...He doesn't have to say anything at all about her work... brooklynite Jun 2015 #3
Was going to be honest, because he isn't? You really want to go down this road? Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #8
Oh, the purity police (lunging at supporters of OTHER candidates) are hilariously nit picking away djean111 Jun 2015 #13
The Clinton Camp are doing this at their own peril. Nothing Purveyor Jun 2015 #39
I've got no problem with DWS. DU's heat directed at her affects nothing. We didn't win in 2014 for a freshwest Jun 2015 #17
Why are you side-stepping the issue here, which is the contents of the letter? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #19
Is that really what you want to go with? cui bono Jun 2015 #20
^^This BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #24
Creative bumper-sticker you've got going on... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #22
Without diplomacy, when addressing her passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #42
I love his positive tone! kenfrequed Jun 2015 #2
It won't happen, and the republicans won't do it either, among themselves or against Democrats. As still_one Jun 2015 #4
Pretty obvious that Bernie is lock-step with DWS/DNC. Wilms Jun 2015 #5
+1 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #12
What's he supposed to say to her? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2015 #6
That's what I wrote to her! Wilms Jun 2015 #15
You suck... SoapBox Jun 2015 #36
". . .engage voters in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. . ." DinahMoeHum Jun 2015 #7
That was tried when Dean was chair. zeemike Jun 2015 #35
The DNC should be trying to engage voters in all 50 states plus Americans Abroad davidpdx Jun 2015 #46
You attract more friendly politicians with honey...well, done. libdem4life Jun 2015 #9
I would like to see more debates within the democratic party but no purpose of ones with the GOP LynneSin Jun 2015 #10
He's on a mission SmittynMo Jun 2015 #11
He makes some good points. TDale313 Jun 2015 #14
Bernie is right on target here and I agree with all he says there. The question remains whether the freshwest Jun 2015 #16
Yes.Sanders is smart:Don't allow the Rightwing artificial choices/issues to "frame" the debate first stuffmatters Jun 2015 #38
Your deductions about Sen Sanders feelings toward the DNC and DWS rhett o rick Jun 2015 #18
Rec for Bernie's letter. Unrec for the attempt at a 'gotcha' from the OP. cui bono Jun 2015 #21
Would an inter-party debate include independents such as Bernie? eom tarheelsunc Jun 2015 #23
You mean independent thinker? cui bono Jun 2015 #28
Once again it's about "the people". Gregorian Jun 2015 #25
What a weird editorial comment from you Scootaloo Jun 2015 #26
I LOVE the idea of cross-party debates Enrique Jun 2015 #27
Really. It seems absurdly artificial to confine "debates" to only one party. Gregorian Jun 2015 #29
oh yeah the corporations love it the way it is now Enrique Jun 2015 #30
He was being polite. n/t MrModerate Jun 2015 #31
OH, Contrare brookynite... The Worm Is Turning! ChiciB1 Jun 2015 #32
Debate Challenges Horizens Jun 2015 #33
Actually Bernie Sanders is in agreement with the prevailing opinion about DWS here at DU. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #34
I would love to see Bernie debate the GOP candidates .. so that people can see the differences. YOHABLO Jun 2015 #37
That was a work of art. Ruby the Liberal Jun 2015 #40
He is trying for a bigger exposure -- won't happen cosmicone Jun 2015 #41
I'm sure he's terribly frightened by the clown car candidates. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #43
Hahahaha! Yeah, because Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham wood make mincemeat of him.. frylock Jun 2015 #53
one thing he could start doing drray23 Jun 2015 #44
Won't happen cosmicone Jun 2015 #48
All this stuff about Hillary and the Keystone pipeline is just the beginning INdemo Jun 2015 #50
one of us. one of us. frylock Jun 2015 #55
K and R (nt) bigwillq Jun 2015 #45
We can also view the opening sentence as sarcasm. nt Zorra Jun 2015 #47
Keep up the good work? INdemo Jun 2015 #49
Am I the only one who thinks that debating the Republicans before the nominations FSogol Jun 2015 #51
You have the debate because it makes the Republicans look even worse. jeff47 Jun 2015 #57
They're making themselves look bad on their own. Let them fight amongst themsevles. FSogol Jun 2015 #60
When they are only fighting among themselves, most people are not paying attention. jeff47 Jun 2015 #61
Cower in fear? FSogol Jun 2015 #65
Actually, it's brilliant--corporate Democrats would be forced to show where they agree with GOP yurbud Jun 2015 #66
I don't know why people got so upset about my comments... brooklynite Jun 2015 #52
cool story frylock Jun 2015 #56
The cognitive dissonance between Bernie and his supporters is striking cosmicone Jun 2015 #62
there won't be normal debates quadrature Jun 2015 #54
Because Bernie will go back on his word not to go negative? brooklynite Jun 2015 #58
so what does HRC talk about? quadrature Jun 2015 #59
Clinton has talked about campaign finance, criminal justice and immigration so far... brooklynite Jun 2015 #63
Other than the Republican thing, I see no problem whatthehey Jun 2015 #64

brooklynite

(95,014 posts)
3. I though he was going to be honest...He doesn't have to say anything at all about her work...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jun 2015

...if he doesn't think it merits acknowledgement.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. Was going to be honest, because he isn't? You really want to go down this road?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:02 PM
Jun 2015

It seems to me to be no more than a cordial remark, why you're reading so much
into, I have no idea.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
13. Oh, the purity police (lunging at supporters of OTHER candidates) are hilariously nit picking away
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015

today. It is getting sadly funny and predictable. And accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Bless their hearts.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
39. The Clinton Camp are doing this at their own peril. Nothing
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jun 2015

like poisoning the well but we all know how "they" operate.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
17. I've got no problem with DWS. DU's heat directed at her affects nothing. We didn't win in 2014 for a
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jun 2015
number of reasons, but I think what Sanders says here is pure Democratic Party strategy that must be done.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. Why are you side-stepping the issue here, which is the contents of the letter?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jun 2015

Do you agree with Sen Sanders? Or would you like to see the debates limited?

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
24. ^^This
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jun 2015

So there's this big long letter with one sentence at the end--that's the important one!! He reinforced my bias! Forget about all that other shit, this means that DINOs are the beeeeeeeeeeeest!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. Creative bumper-sticker you've got going on...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

Creative bumper-sticker you've got going on. Like pop music, it's insubstantial and petulant, but it pretends its premise is serious.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
2. I love his positive tone!
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jun 2015

I think this is excellent! People need to hear earlier on to differentiate the message and policies of candidates and parties.

still_one

(92,528 posts)
4. It won't happen, and the republicans won't do it either, among themselves or against Democrats. As
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

much as the political junkies might like to see such an endeavor, I suspect they would not get that much interest or viewership generated.


 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
5. Pretty obvious that Bernie is lock-step with DWS/DNC.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015


Er, that doesn't even qualify as a "cheap shot". But you may want to tend to that bullet hole in your foot.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,004 posts)
6. What's he supposed to say to her?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jun 2015

"Dear Chairperson Schultz, You suck as DNC Chair. Here are some ways I'd like you to change the debates...."

There are certain courtesies one affords, even if one privately thinks the recipient sucks.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
35. That was tried when Dean was chair.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jun 2015

And it worked...so they did the logical thing and stopped doing it.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
46. The DNC should be trying to engage voters in all 50 states plus Americans Abroad
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jun 2015

It would be nice to have an Americans Abroad debate. Of course of the six debates we already know three are promised to Iowa, NH, and Florida. I'm sure the others were promised to "important" states that have never had debates in prior elections.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
10. I would like to see more debates within the democratic party but no purpose of ones with the GOP
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jun 2015

First even if the Democrats would agree to it the GOP never would. And if we could get the GOP to agree to it - it would be a joke. The GOP debates are nothing more than who can prove who is More-Conservative, More-Fundie, More-Anti-Gay, More-'Jesus-loving' (although not the Jesus of the Gospels), More Anti-Taxes while wrapping the American Flag and hold the bible the tightest. At no times do real issues impacting real people actually get discussed during the GOP debate because who cares about these folks. A debate like that would be a joke at this time.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
14. He makes some good points.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:09 PM
Jun 2015

I think we could use more debates. Discussion is good. Not sure I like the idea of the cross-party debates before the general. Have to think about that one.

Not an unusual thing for the one behind in polls to want as many debates as possible while the front runner wants as few as they can reasonably get away with. It's politically the smart stance.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. Bernie is right on target here and I agree with all he says there. The question remains whether the
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jun 2015

DNC is funded sufficiently to pull this off?

I really believe Bernie can attract people of all parties and regions, and so can Hillary.

And the points he makes about the Congressional elections can not be overstated.

Our campaign should begin this summer so we have the time to get our message out and not be caught with last minute negative campaigns by Koch monies next October and November. In fact, the Koch money is in play right now, the GOP always runs a long-term game, so we must do the same.

Thanks for posting this. I got a questionnaire from the DNC about what were my priorities. Keeping the presidency in Democratic hands is essential, but no less fighting for the states as the GOP is not kidding about calling an Article V convention. Enough red legislatures and they will enact what they've been planning for a long time.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
38. Yes.Sanders is smart:Don't allow the Rightwing artificial choices/issues to "frame" the debate first
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015

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People love to watch political debates no matter what party. It's political "Survivor/The Batchelor."
The Dems need to take advantage of the millions of dollars in this free public exposure to (re) educate the country on
what we stand for.

Instead of letting the Repubs pollute the airways with their draconian false choices like whether abortion should be illegal after 20 months or at conception, whether to privatize social sec or raise CPI & the retirement age, whether to abolish the EPA/FDA/IRS or just death by defund, whether to deport all undocumented immigrants before or after adulthood, whether to give defense (war) more or less than 60% of the budget...As long as these anti Democratic loons control the airways and the debate, the more people start to think their ideas are normal.

Dems need to present the real solutions - diplomacy over war, scrap the cap for social security & enrich all Americans by allowing for
negotiation of drug prices & medicare for all, emphasize women's right to choose & equal pay for equal work, civil and voting rights for all, end of 1% tax loopholes & return to fair corporate taxation instead of sticking the 99% with their tax bills....these are the kinds of real issues & solutions that Americans want & need to hear. Our message is overwhelmingly popular, but it's drowned out by the info pollution of the RW propoganda machine.

The microphone of tv debates hits all fifty states and costs our party nothing. This is how we get our message out for not just the presidential candidates but also the whole ballot...from winning back the Senate & House all the way down to city councils & school boards.

This is more important than hiding HC away/protecting her until after the primaries. People need to be reinformed ASAP and reminded regularly what our Dem Party and candidates stand for. It'll make all Dems (including HC) more appealing as candidates.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. Your deductions about Sen Sanders feelings toward the DNC and DWS
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

can not be concluded from a polite letter.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
25. Once again it's about "the people".
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jun 2015

This continues to amaze me. In the past it has been about ME.

I am so loving this man and what he stands for and what he is doing for our country already. Now I know we aren't as dumbed down and conservative as the main stream whores would have it seem.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
27. I LOVE the idea of cross-party debates
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jun 2015

I would LOVE to see Bernie challenge the GOP candidates in a way that the nominee never does. They're all taking a populist pose, let's see them try that with Bernie on the stage with them.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
29. Really. It seems absurdly artificial to confine "debates" to only one party.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:08 PM
Jun 2015

The corporations do not want this. The people absolutely need it.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
30. oh yeah the corporations love it the way it is now
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jun 2015

last time the debate over corporate taxes was whether to CUT them to 28% or 20%. That makes everyone think that represents the range of debate. Neither candidate mentioned that corporate profits were at record highs (even then), and so why are we cutting corporate taxes at all?

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
32. OH, Contrare brookynite... The Worm Is Turning!
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jun 2015

He may not get there because he doesn't have the BIG $$$$, but he's sure got the heart, soul and FIGHT of so MANY Democrats who remember what the "real" Democratic Party looked like. Some of us remember a different time! Eisenhower would be a Democrat today and my father thought he was a REAL Repuke!

GO BERNIE!

 

Horizens

(637 posts)
33. Debate Challenges
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:43 PM
Jun 2015

Neither the Dems nor the Reps will agree to Bernie's debate proposals. I think Bernie should then challenge
other candidates (one at a time) to a one on one, Lincoln/Douglas style debate. The question will then be "why won't anyone debate Bernie".

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
34. Actually Bernie Sanders is in agreement with the prevailing opinion about DWS here at DU.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jun 2015
He was just being nice. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
40. That was a work of art.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jun 2015

As for your comment - was that really necessary? What was he supposed to say, Dear Miserable Failure?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
41. He is trying for a bigger exposure -- won't happen
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jun 2015

If it did, he will be beaten up by rethugs in front of a Faux news audience then tarred and feathered as a communist.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
53. Hahahaha! Yeah, because Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham wood make mincemeat of him..
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jun 2015

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder! bwahahahaha!

drray23

(7,638 posts)
44. one thing he could start doing
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jun 2015

is unequivocally states he his a democrat. Yes, I know he stated he is running on the ticket and his campaign website has him a a democrat from Vermont. Thats good. Now what about doing the same on his senate website ?

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/about

from his about page :


His previous 16 years in the House of Representatives make him the longest serving independent member of Congress in American history.

While its true that up to now he was identifying as independent, He needs to formally sign on as member of the party and have senate roll calls reflect his new affiliation. These things matter. You cant have your cake and eat it too.


 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
48. Won't happen
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jun 2015

He will use the democrats but not be one of us. Even if it did now, it will be specious. Why didn't he join before?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
50. All this stuff about Hillary and the Keystone pipeline is just the beginning
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary is not a Democrat and probably more of a corporatist than Obama

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
49. Keep up the good work?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jun 2015

Debbie Wasserman Shultz should not be the DNC chair. She should have been replaced right after the slaughter Democrats got after midterms.
Debbie Wasserman Shultz is Rahm Emanuel with boobs and a skirt

FSogol

(45,595 posts)
51. Am I the only one who thinks that debating the Republicans before the nominations
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jun 2015

are a bad idea? Lets those clowns pare their numbers down. Why sully the Democratic brand, by have debates with proven losers like Santorum, Jindal, and Perry? Why give them notoriety? Why let them mug for one-liners and gotcha points? Why treat them like serious candidates?

It will be like sending the 1927 NY Yankees to play Central Springfield Little League All-Stars.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
57. You have the debate because it makes the Republicans look even worse.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:38 PM
Jun 2015

The Republican base gets exactly what they want: Santorum all over the podium hurling a mountain of stupid at everyone else. The problem is it will be utterly apparent that the Republicans and their base are idiots, while the Democrats have nothing but good candidates.

The filter that produced McCain and Romney removed most of the insanity from the Republican position before they faced Obama. That made Republicans artificially look good when most people were paying attention.

Let's show everyone the utter insanity and evil that is the Republican party instead of letting them cover it up.

FSogol

(45,595 posts)
60. They're making themselves look bad on their own. Let them fight amongst themsevles.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:01 AM
Jun 2015

Why help or give them a target? If it is 10 repubs vs themselves it is chaos. 5 repubs vs Bernie gives them a focused target.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
61. When they are only fighting among themselves, most people are not paying attention.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jun 2015

By the time most people are paying attention, they've buried most of the bullshit.

Why help or give them a target?

You don't need to cower in fear from people you can easily defeat.

In addition, it's not like they need the debate format to launch attacks. They'll be doing plenty of that anyway. Let's show everyone just how crazy the Republicans have become.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
66. Actually, it's brilliant--corporate Democrats would be forced to show where they agree with GOP
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jun 2015

and Democratic candidates like Bernie and O'Malley could show they are the real alternative.

brooklynite

(95,014 posts)
52. I don't know why people got so upset about my comments...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jun 2015

...because my comments weren't negative about Bernie. I believe he does think DWS is doing a good job. I think it's some of his supporters who seem to be having a bad reaction.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
62. The cognitive dissonance between Bernie and his supporters is striking
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie is a class act and has never attacked Hillary Clinton. He refused to do so even when baited by the media. He has conducted himself as the gentleman of gentlemans. His supporters ... especially here on DU ... quite the opposite.

Many base their opinions on the Iraq war resolution and wall street support without realizing that it is easy to be a politician in Vermont and oppose war while being labeled unpatriotic -- not so much in NY especially if one is a freshman senator.

Also, it is nearly impossible to be a senator from NY and take on Wall Street. No senator, republican or democrat has done it - not even Daniel Patrick Moynihan -- but Hillary is singled out. The only governor who tried to go against wall street was Eliot Spitzer and see what happened to him.

In other words, Bernie, being well-known in Vermont for a long time has no "tough" votes -- he can vote to crucify Jesus all over again and still win an election. That was not the case with Hillary and some understanding of that fact is warranted.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
54. there won't be normal debates
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie would wipe the floor with HRC.

perhaps some type of townhall meeting
where woman's issue are discussed,
with Bernie allowed to attend

brooklynite

(95,014 posts)
58. Because Bernie will go back on his word not to go negative?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:04 PM
Jun 2015

Or because Hillary can only discuss "women's issues"?

Cheap shots and sexism in one go...

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
59. so what does HRC talk about?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jun 2015

I have asked that several times.

remember that Pres.Obama has
'Bush was a failure'.

brooklynite

(95,014 posts)
63. Clinton has talked about campaign finance, criminal justice and immigration so far...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jun 2015

...and the plan is to roll out policies during the summer.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
64. Other than the Republican thing, I see no problem
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jun 2015

It is asinine to consider giving up Dem attention and time to the clown car. Anybody interested enough to switch it on and intelligent enough to understand the words already knows the difference betweeen the parties, so why dignify the Carsons and Cruzes with attention and respect they don't deserve.

More debates certainly benefit the lesser-known challengers over HRC, but since no Dem candidate is too likely to have a 47% or Maccaca moment, and the likelihood of an ever-leftward competition for extremism akin to the Republican death spiral of disavowing all science is pretty remote so we won't see our candidates supporting nationalization of hot dog vendors or other such nonsense, I fail to see a drawback in a greater amounter of respectful highly-publicized essentially free infomercials for the Democratic agenda, which is what well-managed primary debates would become.

I certainly feel holding these in deep red states, as well as purple ones, would be an excellent piece of both PR and politics. NYC is safe. Let Dallas and Atlanta get some Dem facetime and spotlight.

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