Ted Cruz believes JFK ‘would be a Republican today’
Source: MSNBC
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) made a campaign stop in, of all places, Massachusetts over the weekend, where he spoke to several hundred supporters in one of the nations bluest states. As BuzzFeed noted, the far-right Texan even connected his message to one of the Bay States favorite sons.
I would point out that in the 1960s, one of the most powerful, eloquent defenders of tax cuts was John F. Kennedy. As JFK said, Some men see things as they are and ask why; I see things that never were and ask why not.
JFK would be a Republican today. There is no room for John F. Kennedy in the modern Democratic Party.
Ooh, boy.
We can quickly dispense with some of the minor details. The some men see things as they are quote, for example, originated with George Bernard Shaw, not the Kennedys. Whats more, it had absolutely nothing to do with tax cuts. . .
Read more: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ted-cruz-believes-jfk-would-be-republican-today
I remember JFK and his presidency. JFK was an idol of mine. Ted Cruz, you're no JFK.
In fact, you are a demagogue the likes of which this nation has, fortunately, rarely seen.
And you're not getting away with it here at DU.
gopiscrap
(23,768 posts)it's full of ignorant shit wipes who have no clue as to what went on in history!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,128 posts)gopiscrap
(23,768 posts)Cosmocat
(14,589 posts)they have devolved to the point where they just say, literally, whatever they want to to say regardless of how counter intuitive or flat wrong it is, and it is justified in the mind because they have come to believe their own bullshit.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Eisenhower would be a Democrat, and Nixon would be Third Way.
Democrats_win
(6,539 posts)Ted Cruz embarrasses his countries (Canada, Cuba, United States?) Kennedy would not tolerate the misogyny, the wife-beaters, the liars, and the cheaters of today's GOP. Not to mention the pedophiles.
The question is, Ted, why are YOU in the GOP?
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)He'd fit right in with the GOP.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)mehrrh
(233 posts)Cruz co-opts a Democratic president, who was very popular and takes him into the GOP.
They can't say anything positive about themselves or their party, so they steal the reputation of Democrats for their own.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)lark
(23,199 posts)Teddie never served the US for one day of his life, has not done anything honorable at all that I've heard of. He has no vision and no compassion. He is beneath contempt. I truly believe he is the Krusty is this years' clown car.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)Let's ask Jean Kennedy Smith if her brother would be a Republican today.
How dare Ted Cruz presume to know the mind of our assassinated president?
Moostache
(9,897 posts)If you gave that moron a list of Reagan's actions (raising taxes, immigration reform, etc.) and did not tell him who it was, he would denounce St. Ronnie himself as a socialist.
The fact that they are ignorant is not what bothers me, the fact that there is no consequence for their lack of intellecutal heft or accomplishment is far more worrisome.
LuckyLib
(6,822 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)He lowered the top tax bracket from 70% all the way down to 28%. He significantly reduced capital gains taxes down to 20%, but then brought (some of) them back up a bit, to 28%.
Meanwhile, he raised the tax rate of the lowest federal bracket, and also raised the FICA taxes, which affected lower wage earners the most.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... so that he'd be consistent with the values he thinks that JFK would aspire to in the Republican Party that he practiced as a Democrat!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)jalan48
(13,916 posts)Aristus
(66,530 posts)Leaving the top bracket at 68% would get a Republican blacklisted.
JFK openly embraced the term 'liberal'. That will get you kicked out of every Republican summer camp in the country.
Ole Ted just isn't very good at this thinkin' thing, is he?...
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Eisenhower kept the 91% top rate because the country was still paying off that debt, and instead of crying about the deficit, Ike made investments in infrastructure, including the interstate highway system.
Aristus
(66,530 posts)All those 'love-it-or-leave-it' types would scream if we actually updated our creaky civic infrastructure. Apparently, railroads of vintage 1950 are about all we can expect anymore.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Once upon a time, none other than Ronald Reagan was a Roosevelt-Truman Democrat. Hell, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. won the votes of quite a few Democrats themselves in the late 60s, 70s, and 80s.
People can and do change their political views throughout their lives. It's not unheard of. However, Cruz's certainty on what JFK - a man who has been dead for over five decades (let him rest in peace, for crying out loud!) - is pretty ridiculous.
yellowcanine
(35,705 posts)Meanwhile at the same time it is clear that Abraham Lincoln could not win the Republican nomination for President in today's Republican Party. Not even clear that Ronald Reagan could.
Midnight Writer
(21,856 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)He belittled people at the bottom of the economic and social ladders.
He lavished tons of money on the Pentagon and its "gold-plated weapons systems" (as Arkansas Senator Dale Bumpers described them) while cutting programs for the poor and infirm.
He significantly cut taxes for the top income brackets.
He was pals with right-wing evangelists like Jerry Falwell.
He appointed people to Cabinet positions who were the antipathy of the agencies they oversaw, like James Watt at Interior and Ed Meese at Justice.
He was a fervent anti-environmentalist and would have no problem with climate change denial, Arctic drilling, fracking, ad nauseum.
He showed disdain for energy-saving technology, going so far as to remove the solar panels that Jimmy Carter had installed at the White House.
He ramped up the "greed is good" fervor on Wall Street, which led, in 1987, to the greatest crash on Wall Street since 1929.
Don't kid yourself thinking that Reagan would be ostracized in today's Republican Party-- he would be welcomed with open arms.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Just STFU.
Perfectly succinct.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Exactly!
Dude is a moron.
mike in raleigh
(59 posts)LeftOfWest
(482 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)First, CAN he count?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)What an evil bastard!~
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)underpants
(183,046 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)I love Ted Talk, cuz he is so funny...surely he means to be, right?
No?
you think he is serious?
in that case
underpants
(183,046 posts)It was on an anonymous online chat room
Nitram
(22,971 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)As you said, he's no JFK. And JFK was no Republican.
Ted Cruz is a twisted guy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,892 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Ted Cruz is an idiot
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JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,384 posts)... thanks to the teabaggers.
Javaman
(62,540 posts)halfwit cruz wishes he was an ninth of what Kennedy was.
in fact, when Kennedy was in power, halfwit cruz's pappy was a henchmen of Batista.
screw off cruz and stop pretending to be an adult.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)explain again Mr. Cruz how your dear old dad 'escaped cuba' and managed to get signed a student visa to UT in the 1950s??
samsingh
(17,605 posts)jmowreader
(50,601 posts)As would every Republican president who was in office prior to 1980.
Reagan almost certainly wouldn't have - Ronnie wasn't real fond of non-whites, non-Christians or non-heterosexuals.
Garion_55
(1,915 posts)find me the republican who agrees with that and hell i'll vote for him.
melm00se
(4,998 posts)"Classic liberal"
portions of this ideology have hallmarks to which current Republicans (as well as Democrats) lay claim:
freedom of individuals
freedom of religion
freedom of speech
freedom of press
freedom of assembly
freedom of markets
as well as limited government.
Like some classical ideologies, portions are claimed by opposing sides of the political spectrum and there can be quite a bit of overlap. Where the differentiators lay between the political parties are the non-overlap.
One of the best comparisons I have read about comparing classic and modern liberalism is that classic liberals are concerned about the means of governments and modern liberals are concerned about the ends of government. While this is not a perfect comparison (simple ones rarely are), it can suffice without writing a long drawn out academic type analysis.
3catwoman3
(24,133 posts)Likely.
captainarizona
(363 posts)So would attilla the hun all confederates the KKK. add your new republicans.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Till the day he died, Attila was noted for eating off wooden plates and using common dinner ware. The Gold he received and stole from the Roman Empire, went to his men and their families, including the poor. Sorry, Attila would be a bad fit for the GOP, someone who thinks it his duty to take care of the poor in his tribe? Someone who disdained wealth, for wealth sake? Like the Roman Elite of his time period, the GOP of today could not understand him let alone permit him into the party.
valerief
(53,235 posts)do for you. Ask what you can do to destroy your government. Because all this government and its regulations are strangling business."
I remember that speech well. I think they're printing it Texas text books today.
DallasNE
(7,404 posts)Applies that statement on "some men see things" as a quote to his fallen brother Robert and it is obviously inspired by Shaw. And RFK applied it to Vietnam so every aspect of what Cruz said is false.
http://www.politicaldog101.com/2011/09/23/robert-kennedy-did-george-bernand-shaw/
Mrdie
(115 posts)Whatever one thinks of him, the rhetoric he used wasn't exactly that of a modern Republican. Case in point (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=9219):
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Despite a record of success, TVA still has its skeptics and its critics. There are still those who call it "creeping socialism," and we recently saw an advertising campaign which implied that TVA and public power were comparable to the Berlin Wall and the East Berlin police as threats to our freedom. But the tremendous economic growth of this region, its private industry, its private income, make it dear to all that TVA is a fitting answer to socialism, and it is not creeping, nor will it in the future...
As a final example of its national role, I would cite to you--and I consider this one of the most important contributions of the Tennessee Valley, and it isn't written in any credit or debit book--the 2,000 people who come from abroad to the TVA, from other lands, Kings, Prime Ministers, students, technicians, people who are uncommitted, people who don't know which way to go, people who are unsure. They come here and gain an impression not by merely visiting Washington or New York, but by coming to this valley. They gain an impression of vitality and growth, and the ability of people to work together in a free society. This has been one of the most powerful advertisements for the picture of the United States around the world that we have had, for these people come from nations whose poverty threatens to exceed their hopes, who do not feel they can solve their problems. They come here and compare this valley today to what it was 30 years ago, and they leave here feeling that they, too, can solve their problems in a system of freedom...
From time to time statements are made labeling the Federal Government an outsider, an intruder, an adversary. In any free federation of States, of course differences will arise and difficulties will persist. But the people of this area know that the United States Government is not a stranger or not an enemy. It is the people of 50 States joining in a national effort to see progress in every State of the Union. For without the National Government, without the people of the United States working as a people, there would be no TVA. Without the National Government, the people of the United States, working together, there would be no protection of the family farmer, his income and his financial independence. For he never would have been able to electrify his farm, to insure his crop, to support its price, and to stay ahead of the bugs, the boll weevils, and the mortgage bankers. Without the National Government and the people of the United States working together, there would be no school lunch or milk programs for our children, no assistance on conserving soil or harvesting trees, no loans to help a farmer buy his farm and no security at the bank.
Without the National Government, the people of one country, there could be no Coosa-Alabama River project, with the first dam under way this month at Millers Ferry. Without the people of the United States working together with the National Government, there would be no Hill-Burton hospitals, which have helped develop the best hospital system in the world today, no assistance to rural libraries, no help to college dormitories, where we seek to send our children, no control of water pollution, which we must drink, or assistance to depressed areas, or help for training teachers. The list goes on and on. Only a great national effort by a great people working together can explore the mysteries of space, harvest the products at the bottom of the ocean, and mobilize the human, natural, and material resources of our lands. I cite these examples not to show the growth of Federal activity, for it is small compared to the Nation's, but to show the positive side of Federal-State cooperation, of which TVA is an outstanding symbol.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Kennedy sent us to the Moon.
pampango
(24,692 posts)big time to make some weird right wing point.
kiranon
(1,727 posts)There is something seriously wrong with Sen. Cruz's view of reality. All the Democrats and Republicans I knew from way back when are Democrats today. Republicans I knew way back when were centrists not the right wing wackos of today.
sinkingfeeling
(51,499 posts)turbinetree
(24,745 posts)John Fitzgerald Kennedy was and will always be my president, you are not, and will not even compare to my PRESIDENT.
A Pulitzer Prize writer Profiles in Courage---------you know what the book is about don't you, because I don't think you would be considered on those pages
A WORLD WAR II HERO.
He had a vision for this country (just for your right wing reference, he made a pledge that we ---------America, would go to the MOON) what do you bring to the table except hate and fear and cut and gut programs to help America.
He never wanted to be a right wing Goldwater hypocrite-----------like you are, do you really know the history of Goldwater---------me think's not------------I know, because I lived and saw it.
You, are an acolyte of the Goldwater kool aid crowd, that exists to day in your right wing fear mongering rants and your party.
Your party has done nothing to help this country, except to attack it, like Nixon, Reagan, Bush----------------they did everything to blame this country as being the problem---everything.
Please, tell everyone in this nation what you have introduced to help the poor, the middle class, in the name of wages, health care, jobs, immigration, ect.........
He faced down a nuclear arms power---------what does you party want to do------------look at your Lindsey Graham and John McCain -----------they want to push buttons-----light off missiles-------ask questions later
You go on a right wing misinformation propaganda channel to just spew more right wing rhetoric of hate and fear just like Goldwater.
Your party is just a continuation of that era----------you have done nothing--------except spread hate and fear that is your agenda----------- you really have nothing else.
Lets remind your crowd of Goldwaterites that you went to some right wing college ( Liberty University---------what a name---------Liberty) and if students don't or didn't show up they got a fined----------that's your right wing crowd---------punish people if they don't show up.
President Kennedy never did that, he gave them the opportunity to give and air there grievances-------you don't
Enrique
(27,461 posts)not to mention Jesus.
Vinca
(50,334 posts)Imagine - JFK, Jackie and Louie Gohmert at a clambake.
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)After about fifteen minutes of Louie being Louie, JFK and Jackie would have drowned Gohmert in Louis Bay and saved us all a ton of headache.
George II
(67,782 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)Although wealthy he served during WWII
when running In 1960 he advocated for medicare.which their hero ronald reagan said would end freedom In America
he took responabilty for failure of bay of pigs and fired the top CIA leadership.Could you imagine GOP doing that
his tax cut wasn't just a giveaway to rich.his tax code still had rich paying taxes
he stood up to war mongers during cuban missile crisis,and we might be dead if he hadn't
he established peace corps.imagine a gop doing that.
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)He had to pull a LOT of strings to get assigned to a combat unit. Rich and powerful men's sons were routinely assigned to headquarters units, and JFK felt his place was out in the shit with the troops.
Suprk
(90 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)He would be ostracized by the Republican party of the time for being a far right kook. Republicans of the time would be offended by his religious coronation.
mahina
(17,772 posts)We wouldn't have the CIA
We would have gotten out of Vietnam before my father deployed, and his life would have been much happier. He would probably still be alive.
Nixon would never have been elected, nor Reagan.
We would have gone full throttle into solar and renewables, and climate change would be many years off and a problem of reduces scale.
And JFK would still be alive. He would be in his 90's. And he would kick your ass black and blue, at least metaphorically, you stupid, ignorant, imbecilic Uncle Fester looking piece of human...ity.
Warpy
(111,470 posts)which is why our job is to keep him out of public office beyond the Senate, while those of us in Texas work to defeat him ASAP as an embarrassment to humanity as well as to Texas.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)In 1956, Ike ran on a platform that:
On Labor and Wages: The platform boasted that "the Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees." It called for changes to the anti-union Taft-Hartley Act to "more effectively protect the rights of labor unions" and to "assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex."
On Welfare and Health: The platform demanded "once again, despite the reluctance of the Democrat 84th Congress, Federal assistance to help build facilities to train more physicians and scientists." It emphasized the need to continue the "extension and perfection of a sound social security system," and boasted of the party's recent history of supporting "enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy."
On Civil Rights, Gender Equality, and Immigration: The platform supported " self-government, national suffrage and representation in the Congress of the United States for residents of the District of Columbia." With regards to ending discrimination against racial minorities, the party took pride that "more progress has been made in this field under the present Republican Administration than in any similar period in the last 80 years." It also recommended to Congress "the submission of a constitutional amendment providing equal rights for men and women." Its section on immigration actually recommended expanding immigration to America, supporting "the extension of the Refugee Relief Act of 1953 in resolving this difficult refugee problem which resulted from world conflict."
(And then there's Ike's letter to his brother in 1954:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are...a few...Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid..." )
http://boldprogressives.org/2012/08/the-surprisingly-progressive-republican-party-platform-of-1956/
In 1912, after Theodore Roosevelt, who as President had angered conservatives within the GOP with his enforcement of antitrust laws and breaking up of the Great Northern Railrod Trust, Roosevelt left the Republican Party and ran for President as on the Progressive Party ticket, with a platform that included this:
[link: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/progressive-platform-of-1912|
Progressive Party Platform of 1912]
Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute the will of the people.
From these great tasks both of the old parties have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare, they have become the tools of corrupt interests which use them impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.
To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.
The deliberate betrayal of its trust by the Republican party, the fatal incapacity of the Democratic party to deal with the new issues of the new time, have compelled the people to forge a new instrument of government through which to give effect to their will in laws and institutions.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/progressive-platform-of-1912/
It is mind-blowing to think what Ike and TR would think of Ted Cruz and today's "GOP".
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Brought to you by the same mind set that baptized Ann Frank, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson.
If you can't get good well respected people to join the cult (whichever one); initiate them after they die (no objections, this way).
However, I can accept that Teddy snuggles up to dead people, although it being done figuratively surprises me.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)JFK would certainly not be a neo-confederate Rethug.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)They just claim anybody who ever did anything useful would be a Republican today. A couple of them, in their more fanciful moments, say FDR would be a Republican now. Shoot, Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt weren't even real Republicans, not by today's standards. I'm not sure Ronald Reagan could survive a GOP primary these days.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)I also remember JFK. Tho too young to fully understand the politics, once in a while I still listen to my 45 records of a few of his speeches. He'd have had the same opinion of disgust at the bigoted, self-serving, pugnacious theocrat as we do.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)sociopaths.
TNNurse
(6,933 posts)Cruz reminds us that he is wrong....about pretty much everything.
applegrove
(118,933 posts)Cha
(298,087 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)If he weren't a Messican, that is.
treestar
(82,383 posts)tell us than inanity and BS follows.
gopiscrap
(23,768 posts)"You're no Jack Kennedy!"
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)roamer65
(36,748 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)While in college in the early 70s, used to call the John Birch Society "Let Freedom Ring" hotline for the the humor of their craziness. We should all remember that they were founded/funded by daddy Koch were noted for their billboards calling for Earl Warren's impeachment.
My favorite of their tirades was their rant against Nixon's opening up to China. He was labeled a "left wing internationalist". Think it is much closer to correct that Nixon would not be welcome in today's GOP, JFK might be considered to be on the leftist fringe of the Dems, RFK almost certainly.
beevul
(12,194 posts)So some folks probably believe the sentiment of the OP.
Certainly it would make him "too pro-gun" to some folks here, as it did with Bernie.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)At least he never shot a friend in the face, like Shooter Cheney.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)that JFK was for the middle class.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Caroline Kennedy to weigh in on this .I'm sure Cruz would certainly be put in his place
Ted Cruz you are a F&*(g idiot
generalbetrayus
(508 posts)He'd be 97 years old, with severe brain damage, today's prototypical Republican.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What does that fu**** Canadian bastard know about Jack Kennedy?
He was a real honest-to-God war hero for one thing, not a chickenhawk yellow coward like all modern Republicans! And thats just one difference!
I do believe JFK pledged to the american people that he would not be influenced by the leader of the Roman Catholic church if elected president.
Could that dominunist asshole Cruz pledge to the american public that he would not be influenced by Pat Robinson?
Or his nutcase 7 mountain preacher Daddy?
Of course not!
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)Kennedy was many things, but he wasn't stupid. Unlike Ike, who played a reckless game of chicken in the shadows and pointlessly exhorted Eastern Europe to rebel with no intent of helping them, JFK wasn't interested in grand gestures nor was he interested in suicide. Ike was one of the more incompetent strategic commanders this country has ever seen when was he president (don't worry, GWB, you've still got him beat). Kennedy, on the other hand, made early mistakes, but he learned fast. I often think that his legend is far bigger than the substance of his presidency merits, but there's little doubt he was growing into the office. That's not something we've said about a Republican president since Lincoln.
BlueMTexpat
(15,376 posts)but he inspired me and others like me in the 1960s and since to join the Peace Corps.
Some of the PCVs he inspired were Republicans, although this fact was basically irrelevant/moot as the overwhelming majority of us shared his global vision whatever our private partisan leanings. Perhaps some still are Republican today, although, if so, those would likely be from the US NE. They would hardly share Cruz's extremely narrow political vision.
PC prides itself on its non-partisanship. Still. Cruz doesn't have a clue what non-partisanship means.
The 1960s were when most of us still thought of ourselves as Americans, rather than factions or groups within a highly partisan and divided nation-state.
As anyone with an IQ above that of a rock knows well, JFK would not be a Republican in today's Republican party. Never. Ever. Ever.
I apologize to rocks, btw.
phil_c
(2 posts)Without a doubt...
roamer65
(36,748 posts)bayareaboy
(793 posts)Of the "Cat In The Hat" or "Green Eggs And Ham" in the Senate?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,684 posts)and continued to hate him until the moment he was shot.
They felt from the first he would be "taking orders from Rome," as impossibly stupid as that sounds. They expected to get a lot of hysterical mileage from that, but it ultimately didn't work.
Then they hated him because he was wealthy, and from "back East."
Clearly they despised him for being a Democrat, just as they have despised Carter, Clinton, and President Obama, and all the Democratic Presidential contenders since President Franklin Roosevelt, whom they insanely hated.
It's simply strange, but believable seeing Republicans attempting to gain status from claiming JFK, when Republicans hounded and hated him every second of his life after he was elected.
TNNurse
(6,933 posts)does he thinks he has any knowledge or right to even speak John Kennedy's name much less speak for him??????????????????
roamer65
(36,748 posts)The Rethuglican party? Absolutely no way in hell, Cruz...you moron.
I think RFK would definitely have serious issues with some of the positions of today's Democratic Party.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Glamour Magazine.