GOP says Clinton dividing Americans over voting rights
Source: AP
By KEN THOMAS
HOUSTON (AP) Republicans struck back Friday against Hillary Rodham Clinton's suggestions that they have attempted to disenfranchise voters systematically. They accused the Democratic presidential front-runner of running a divisive campaign and favoring lax controls on voting.
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a potential GOP presidential candidate, said in Concord, New Hampshire, that Clinton didn't know "the first thing about voting rights in New Jersey," and simply wanted to have an opportunity to "commit greater acts of voter fraud" around the nation.
Another potential Republican rival, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, told Fox News that Clinton was "dividing America" and overlooking the fact that Ohio has 28 days of early voting while her home state of New York doesn't have any. Ohio had 35 days of early voting until he signed a law last year lopping off a week.
"What is she talking about?" Kasich asked. "Don't be running around the country dividing America."
FULL story at link.
FILE - In this June 4, 2015 file photo, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks at Texas Southern University in Houston. Republicans struck back Friday against Clinton's suggestions that they have attempted to disenfranchise voters systematically. They accused the Democratic presidential front-runner of running a divisive campaign and favoring lax controls on voting. (AP Photo/Pat Sullivan, File)
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/14496ddd906d404da98385d41d6e053c/gop-says-clinton-dividing-americans-over-voting-rights
Hillary put on the boxing gloves yesterday and smacked them with the truth. They never saw it coming.
uberblonde
(1,215 posts)"Don't be running around the country dividing America."
From a REPUBLICAN. Oh, my aching side!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Nobody has divided America like the GOP has.
MBS
(9,688 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)And I suspect they also have no idea what that means
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)You know, like "psychopath" and "denial" and stuff like that that people is allus throwin' at Republicans.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)is a river in Benghazi!!1!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Cosmocat
(14,596 posts)that democrats DON'T CALL THEM OUT ON IT.
They have been doing this shit my entire life, they do it, then perversely spin it when their bullshit is opposed.
Like it or not, when one side is screaming bloody murder and the other side just passively mumbles about things, the side screaming bloody murder is going to define the narrative.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)DU.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)SunSeeker
(51,824 posts)A substantial majority of Americans favor both, and that is what Hillary is calling for. Notice how the Republicans never really mention either? They know Americans favor both and that it is the GOP who is out of touch with want Americans want.
George II
(67,782 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)It does say something about all citizens having equal rights, though.
BumRushDaShow
(130,139 posts)Except that in the real world, it does say more than a "little"...
the 14th Amendment
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
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the 15th Amendment
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the 19th Amendment
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the 26th Amendment
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merrily
(45,251 posts)When you quoted from my post, you left out this part:
It does say something about all citizens having equal rights, though.
And, I was replying to a post that claimed there is a Constitutional right to vote. That was the context.
So, my entire reply was:
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The US Constitution says very little about citizens voting.
It does say something about all citizens having equal rights, though
Point is, the right to vote itself comes from the states, not from the US Constitution (except for electors). However, the Constitutions says the states cannot discriminate based on certain things.
BumRushDaShow
(130,139 posts)that the described groups' ability to vote will not be "abridged" - i.e.,
Which means the nation as a whole "United States", which is separated from but states "or by any States", who are also explicitly named in the Constitutional amendments. Which is why states get taken to court over and over. And might I add the other -
the 24th Amendment
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Which is the only one that narrowly targets federal vs state. The states can set election dates that are non-federal and can draw state/local electoral districts but the voting age and who can vote is set by the Constitution.
Your argument about it not having anything to do with "voting" is ridiculous in this context IMHO.
The idea of "equal rights" was not included in these because of the the famous Sect. 1 of the 14th Amendment -
And the push for the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) that has been going on for > 40 years (in its current form, and for almost 100 years when first broached in the 1920s) was because the 19th Amendment explicitly dealt with banning the federal government and states from abridging "the right to vote" for women vs dealing with general "equal rights" for women, due to lax 14th Amendment enforcement.
merrily
(45,251 posts)But the right to vote itself does not come from the the Constitution.
BumRushDaShow
(130,139 posts)And "the right to vote" is explicit right there in multiple Amendments to the Constitution. The Amendments lay out our "rights" at the Constitutional level.
This is why your argument fails. It's a matter of a "right" to do an explicit thing regardless of what the states might say, and as side-notes, it specifies for which groups ("classes" as the legalize dub them) this applies.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BTW, I simply made a statement. I did not make an argument. You're the one arguing.
BumRushDaShow
(130,139 posts)as the Constitution represents "the law of the land".
And as the same document says - anything not explicitly described as a nation right is given over to the states. And the original "voting" part goes back to that Section 2 of the 14th Amendment -
where there is then a "punitive" measure put into place ("representation therein shall be reduced" from the federal perspective, and later amendments go further for "classes". In fact, this is not too dis-similar to what is bubbling up about counting the "vote eligible" population and non-citizens in a population for representative distribution - the "1 person 1 vote". thing.
The Voting Rights Act was put into place to enforce and provide the "teeth" to the voting rights stated in the 14th and 15th Amendments. Those Amendments began the era of modern Constitutional "voting rights", that upended what had originally been states rights.
merrily
(45,251 posts)The fact that the US Constitution mentions a right created by states does not mean that the Constitution grants or creates that right.
Did you read the material at the link I provided to you? You can also check the wiki on voting in the US. Or google the issue yourself.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,139 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)a Rep.
Since you can't be bothered to read what I provided to you or the wiki or google the issue for yourself, we're done.
BumRushDaShow
(130,139 posts)because the SCOTUS also claimed "separate but equal" in "Plessey v Ferguson" which was overturned by another SCOTUS with "Brown v Board of Education".
Citing "cases" doesn't help your argument.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)oh never mind, the "other crime" part probably allows for it then but that could be used for jaywalking or anything really though the "any states" laws have the felon disenfranchisement laws or don't have them but I see Kentucky added to their constitution in 1972 and other states followed such as Vermont(who has universal suffrage now -- you can vote in prison).
The US is the most strictest, especially of developed countries, when it comes to democracies
Never mind but I wonder how a lot of what they do can be interpreted as most of it seems to do with making voting more difficult with the ID laws, the going after the voter registration groups by giving heavy penalties to register someone already registered, or making the process more difficult or confusing (they scaled back heavily on the early voting days in Ohio & Florida since the '08 election where Obama received 70% of the early voting vote)
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)between those who believe everyone who is eligible should have every opportunity to vote and those who want to win by cheating. Let's start with gerrymandering.
susanna
(5,231 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)msongs
(67,509 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)Repubs do, as well, save for the extreme paranoid wings of the party - who seem to be running their circus.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)DirtyHippyBastard
(217 posts)The Wizard
(12,556 posts)voting as a threat to America is entertaining to say the least. She made the unwitting dupes put both feet in their mouths. Next she'll have them sticking icepicks in their heads on TV.
They should all be on Pox News soon proclaiming themselves victims of Hillary's trickonology because she exploited their insane hypocrisy.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)In that case, she should keep doing what she's doing.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,044 posts)"I don't give them hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's hell."
Harry Truman
merrily
(45,251 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)has ever said about HRC. I guess Bernie S will be next with his policies on addressing income inequality. We, the Democrats have great great candidates!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)15th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
"Prohibits the Federal and State governments from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's race, color or previous condition of servitude . . ."
19th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America - giving woment the right to vote.
GOPers want to supercede these two Amendments. Suppression laws and gerrymandering are just the beginning.
Cosmocat
(14,596 posts)they have been increasingly bold about their gaming of the vote because, quite honestly, this country does not value its right to vote as much as it should.
PatrickforO
(14,608 posts)voting rights are those leaders of the Republican establishment.
MADem
(135,425 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)C Moon
(12,227 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)"Excuse me Governor/Senator/Congressman, but don't you mean election fraud?"
"Voter fraud" is pretty much statistically nonexistent.
longship
(40,416 posts)The lines are pretty damned clear. It is comforting that Hillary is making this a campaign issue.
R&
Cha
(298,139 posts)Thanks Steve
Renew Deal
(81,901 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Like stuck pigs, they are.
Turbineguy
(37,423 posts)no people of color and especially, no women. Women are trouble dontcha know. Look at Hillary Clinton. I mean, you name your daughter after a mountain climber, she's bound to cause trouble.
rock
(13,218 posts)But of course repiggies wouldn't think so.
samsingh
(17,607 posts)yes a divide is created - between those who believe in Democracy and the gop who is realizing that fair elections may destroy their ability to ever win another election.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I thought the GOP would meet this with silence, at least for now, but the clowns couldn't wait to act like fools.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Yeah..
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)She has them on the defensive already. I like the way they pass voter ID laws to divide the voters, then accuse Clinton of being divisive.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Has forgotten more about politics than the GOP could ever learn. Keep hitting the GOP on their total and complete lack of rational governance Madam Secretary!
WDIM
(1,662 posts)Is talking about lax controls on voting. Schizophrenic party at best. What is it to much government intervention or not enough?
onecaliberal
(33,015 posts)The corps just might not be allowed to crush democracy.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)Filled with stupid, hateful bigots.
Gothmog
(146,018 posts)The GOP hates letting poor people and minorities to vote and so think that it is class warfare to encourage these people to vote .
qwlauren35
(6,154 posts)I keep trying to think of something to say but words fail me.
I remember 4 years ago when a FB friend of mine said "what's so bad about making people have IDs". She got schooled real fast.
I am trying to understand how ANYONE IN AMERICA can object to early voting.
Somebody please break it down for me.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)NYS doesn't have early voting. It's annoying. Though I've not heard of extra long lines here or throughout the state. I think I had to wait about an hour at most in 2008.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Only one can think of some shit like that to respond to criticism against their "War on Voting" clearly designed to increase their odds by decreasing the electorate. Voter fraud my ass, voter fraud in New Jersey I'd love to hear about it.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)after pounding sand up its ass. HRC was spot on, which is why they are bellowing. K&R