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Omaha Steve

(99,896 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:19 PM Jun 2015

GOP says Clinton dividing Americans over voting rights

Source: AP

By KEN THOMAS

HOUSTON (AP) — Republicans struck back Friday against Hillary Rodham Clinton's suggestions that they have attempted to disenfranchise voters systematically. They accused the Democratic presidential front-runner of running a divisive campaign and favoring lax controls on voting.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a potential GOP presidential candidate, said in Concord, New Hampshire, that Clinton didn't know "the first thing about voting rights in New Jersey," and simply wanted to have an opportunity to "commit greater acts of voter fraud" around the nation.

Another potential Republican rival, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, told Fox News that Clinton was "dividing America" and overlooking the fact that Ohio has 28 days of early voting while her home state of New York doesn't have any. Ohio had 35 days of early voting until he signed a law last year lopping off a week.

"What is she talking about?" Kasich asked. "Don't be running around the country dividing America."

FULL story at link.



FILE - In this June 4, 2015 file photo, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks at Texas Southern University in Houston. Republicans struck back Friday against Clinton's suggestions that they have attempted to disenfranchise voters systematically. They accused the Democratic presidential front-runner of running a divisive campaign and favoring lax controls on voting. (AP Photo/Pat Sullivan, File)

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/14496ddd906d404da98385d41d6e053c/gop-says-clinton-dividing-americans-over-voting-rights



Hillary put on the boxing gloves yesterday and smacked them with the truth. They never saw it coming.
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GOP says Clinton dividing Americans over voting rights (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2015 OP
Hahahahahahah! uberblonde Jun 2015 #1
My first thought too passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #20
" " " " "n/t MBS Jun 2015 #25
They are all quite good at projecting. kentauros Jun 2015 #26
That's some o' that there fancy psychobabble stuff. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #54
Yeah, we all know denial kentauros Jun 2015 #59
DUzy. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #67
Well, the problem here is Cosmocat Jun 2015 #33
it's called transference in psychology wordpix Jun 2015 #61
From the post i have seen in the last day or so is cheering Hillary on voter fraud, it is definitely Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #2
Translate please. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #56
Americans are not divided over early voting and automatic registration. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #3
Yeah, it's "divisive" to comply with the United States Constitution and allow Americans to vote!!! George II Jun 2015 #4
The US Constitution says very little about citizens voting. merrily Jun 2015 #15
"The US Constitution says very little about citizens voting." BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #29
Every one of the provisions you quoted are about equal rights. merrily Jun 2015 #35
The amendments explicitly state BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #39
Yes, the right to vote cannot be denied for certain reasons. That's equal right to vote. merrily Jun 2015 #41
"Yes, the right to vote cannot be denied for certain reasons." BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #42
Point to the provision that says citizens have a right to vote. merrily Jun 2015 #43
The mention in the amendment is the "right". BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #45
The fact that a right exists does not mean the US Constitution grants or creates that right. merrily Jun 2015 #47
Here, maybe this will help you. merrily Jun 2015 #44
How about reading this BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #46
I have read it and I have interpreted it correctly. The link I gave you cites a SCOTUS case and merrily Jun 2015 #48
Yes "we're done" BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #49
Then the felons can't vote laws should be unconstitutional then JonLP24 Jun 2015 #65
It is dividing the country.... Marie Marie Jun 2015 #5
Yes. This. ^^ susanna Jun 2015 #23
I still want Conservatives to "celebrate their freedom" to NOT vote. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #6
sounds like repubs have to put together a unified message rather quickly nt msongs Jun 2015 #7
GOP's skirting the edge on this one. Voting rights are essential - Dem's get that and I'd wager most pinto Jun 2015 #8
Now that is down right laughable. The haters are the dividers. jwirr Jun 2015 #9
So it's cheaters and bigots vs everyone else. I'm cool with that. DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #10
Getting them to talk about The Wizard Jun 2015 #11
She struck a nerve. Chicago1980 Jun 2015 #12
A quote: stopwastingmymoney Jun 2015 #13
As if America hasn't been divided over voting rights from the jump. merrily Jun 2015 #14
This has got to be the funniest and stupidest thing GOP underthematrix Jun 2015 #16
Thats not gonna go well with majority of Americans. GOPers foot in mouth. Iliyah Jun 2015 #17
It has been sitting well for a long time now Cosmocat Jun 2015 #34
Clinton isn't dividing anybody. The only people who want to curtail PatrickforO Jun 2015 #18
How dare she want people to vote!!The nerve of her!! nt MADem Jun 2015 #19
Give'em hell, Hill! nt No Vested Interest Jun 2015 #21
This acronym has never been more fitting: WTF? C Moon Jun 2015 #22
They got their talking points down awful quick. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #24
One of these days, a reporter will correct one them with the following: kentauros Jun 2015 #27
Yup, those who want minorities to be able to vote and those who don't. longship Jun 2015 #28
One of their biggest Fears.. the Voting Rights of all Americans.. Obamacare is another.. Cha Jun 2015 #30
The republican overreaction will give this more press than she would have gotten. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #31
Squeal! n2doc Jun 2015 #32
The GOP had such a good and simple plan... Turbineguy Jun 2015 #36
And that's a good thing rock Jun 2015 #37
more gop bullshit. these people seem to be seriously stupid and liars samsingh Jun 2015 #38
Pot, meet kettle Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #40
And that's all they have on their opinion as to all American citizens being permitted to vote lonestarnot Jun 2015 #50
Excellent! HassleCat Jun 2015 #51
What Else Would One Expect Them To Say Since Republicans Are Anti-Democracy cantbeserious Jun 2015 #52
HRC deathrind Jun 2015 #53
The party that is against government control... WDIM Jun 2015 #55
Because dog knows we can't have people voting. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #57
I accuse the Republicans of running a clown car! The Second Stone Jun 2015 #58
The GOP does not want poor people to vote Gothmog Jun 2015 #60
You've got to be sh*tting me. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #62
Kasich is correct about one thing AndreaCG Jun 2015 #63
They are fucking sociopaths JonLP24 Jun 2015 #64
The GOP can go piss up a rope awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #66

uberblonde

(1,215 posts)
1. Hahahahahahah!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jun 2015

"Don't be running around the country dividing America."

From a REPUBLICAN. Oh, my aching side!

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
54. That's some o' that there fancy psychobabble stuff.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jun 2015

You know, like "psychopath" and "denial" and stuff like that that people is allus throwin' at Republicans.

Cosmocat

(14,596 posts)
33. Well, the problem here is
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jun 2015

that democrats DON'T CALL THEM OUT ON IT.

They have been doing this shit my entire life, they do it, then perversely spin it when their bullshit is opposed.

Like it or not, when one side is screaming bloody murder and the other side just passively mumbles about things, the side screaming bloody murder is going to define the narrative.

SunSeeker

(51,824 posts)
3. Americans are not divided over early voting and automatic registration.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jun 2015

A substantial majority of Americans favor both, and that is what Hillary is calling for. Notice how the Republicans never really mention either? They know Americans favor both and that it is the GOP who is out of touch with want Americans want.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. The US Constitution says very little about citizens voting.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:49 AM
Jun 2015

It does say something about all citizens having equal rights, though.

BumRushDaShow

(130,139 posts)
29. "The US Constitution says very little about citizens voting."
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 07:38 AM
Jun 2015

Except that in the real world, it does say more than a "little"...

the 14th Amendment

<...>
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

<...>


the 15th Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

<..>


the 19th Amendment

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

<..>


the 26th Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

<...>



merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. Every one of the provisions you quoted are about equal rights.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jun 2015

When you quoted from my post, you left out this part:



It does say something about all citizens having equal rights, though.


And, I was replying to a post that claimed there is a Constitutional right to vote. That was the context.


So, my entire reply was:

The US Constitution says very little about citizens voting.

It does say something about all citizens having equal rights, though
.



Point is, the right to vote itself comes from the states, not from the US Constitution (except for electors). However, the Constitutions says the states cannot discriminate based on certain things.



BumRushDaShow

(130,139 posts)
39. The amendments explicitly state
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

that the described groups' ability to vote will not be "abridged" - i.e.,

[font size="4"]"...vote shall not be denied or abridged [font color="red"]by the United States or by any States[/font][/font]


Which means the nation as a whole "United States", which is separated from but states "or by any States", who are also explicitly named in the Constitutional amendments. Which is why states get taken to court over and over. And might I add the other -

the 24th Amendment

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

<..>


Which is the only one that narrowly targets federal vs state. The states can set election dates that are non-federal and can draw state/local electoral districts but the voting age and who can vote is set by the Constitution.

Your argument about it not having anything to do with "voting" is ridiculous in this context IMHO.

The idea of "equal rights" was not included in these because of the the famous Sect. 1 of the 14th Amendment -

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


And the push for the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) that has been going on for > 40 years (in its current form, and for almost 100 years when first broached in the 1920s) was because the 19th Amendment explicitly dealt with banning the federal government and states from abridging "the right to vote" for women vs dealing with general "equal rights" for women, due to lax 14th Amendment enforcement.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. Yes, the right to vote cannot be denied for certain reasons. That's equal right to vote.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jun 2015

But the right to vote itself does not come from the the Constitution.

BumRushDaShow

(130,139 posts)
42. "Yes, the right to vote cannot be denied for certain reasons."
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jun 2015

And "the right to vote" is explicit right there in multiple Amendments to the Constitution. The Amendments lay out our "rights" at the Constitutional level.

This is why your argument fails. It's a matter of a "right" to do an explicit thing regardless of what the states might say, and as side-notes, it specifies for which groups ("classes" as the legalize dub them) this applies.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. Point to the provision that says citizens have a right to vote.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jun 2015

BTW, I simply made a statement. I did not make an argument. You're the one arguing.

BumRushDaShow

(130,139 posts)
45. The mention in the amendment is the "right".
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jun 2015

as the Constitution represents "the law of the land".

And as the same document says - anything not explicitly described as a nation right is given over to the states. And the original "voting" part goes back to that Section 2 of the 14th Amendment -

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.


where there is then a "punitive" measure put into place ("representation therein shall be reduced&quot from the federal perspective, and later amendments go further for "classes". In fact, this is not too dis-similar to what is bubbling up about counting the "vote eligible" population and non-citizens in a population for representative distribution - the "1 person 1 vote". thing.

The Voting Rights Act was put into place to enforce and provide the "teeth" to the voting rights stated in the 14th and 15th Amendments. Those Amendments began the era of modern Constitutional "voting rights", that upended what had originally been states rights.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
47. The fact that a right exists does not mean the US Constitution grants or creates that right.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jun 2015

The fact that the US Constitution mentions a right created by states does not mean that the Constitution grants or creates that right.

Did you read the material at the link I provided to you? You can also check the wiki on voting in the US. Or google the issue yourself.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
48. I have read it and I have interpreted it correctly. The link I gave you cites a SCOTUS case and
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jun 2015

a Rep.

Since you can't be bothered to read what I provided to you or the wiki or google the issue for yourself, we're done.

BumRushDaShow

(130,139 posts)
49. Yes "we're done"
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jun 2015

because the SCOTUS also claimed "separate but equal" in "Plessey v Ferguson" which was overturned by another SCOTUS with "Brown v Board of Education".

Citing "cases" doesn't help your argument.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
65. Then the felons can't vote laws should be unconstitutional then
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jun 2015

oh never mind, the "other crime" part probably allows for it then but that could be used for jaywalking or anything really though the "any states" laws have the felon disenfranchisement laws or don't have them but I see Kentucky added to their constitution in 1972 and other states followed such as Vermont(who has universal suffrage now -- you can vote in prison).

The US is the most strictest, especially of developed countries, when it comes to democracies

Never mind but I wonder how a lot of what they do can be interpreted as most of it seems to do with making voting more difficult with the ID laws, the going after the voter registration groups by giving heavy penalties to register someone already registered, or making the process more difficult or confusing (they scaled back heavily on the early voting days in Ohio & Florida since the '08 election where Obama received 70% of the early voting vote)

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
5. It is dividing the country....
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:29 PM
Jun 2015

between those who believe everyone who is eligible should have every opportunity to vote and those who want to win by cheating. Let's start with gerrymandering.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
8. GOP's skirting the edge on this one. Voting rights are essential - Dem's get that and I'd wager most
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:45 PM
Jun 2015

Repubs do, as well, save for the extreme paranoid wings of the party - who seem to be running their circus.

The Wizard

(12,556 posts)
11. Getting them to talk about
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jun 2015

voting as a threat to America is entertaining to say the least. She made the unwitting dupes put both feet in their mouths. Next she'll have them sticking icepicks in their heads on TV.
They should all be on Pox News soon proclaiming themselves victims of Hillary's trickonology because she exploited their insane hypocrisy.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
16. This has got to be the funniest and stupidest thing GOP
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jun 2015

has ever said about HRC. I guess Bernie S will be next with his policies on addressing income inequality. We, the Democrats have great great candidates!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
17. Thats not gonna go well with majority of Americans. GOPers foot in mouth.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:08 AM
Jun 2015

15th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America

"Prohibits the Federal and State governments from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's race, color or previous condition of servitude . . ."

19th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America - giving woment the right to vote.

GOPers want to supercede these two Amendments. Suppression laws and gerrymandering are just the beginning.

Cosmocat

(14,596 posts)
34. It has been sitting well for a long time now
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:10 AM
Jun 2015

they have been increasingly bold about their gaming of the vote because, quite honestly, this country does not value its right to vote as much as it should.

PatrickforO

(14,608 posts)
18. Clinton isn't dividing anybody. The only people who want to curtail
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:20 AM
Jun 2015

voting rights are those leaders of the Republican establishment.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
27. One of these days, a reporter will correct one them with the following:
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:57 AM
Jun 2015

"Excuse me Governor/Senator/Congressman, but don't you mean election fraud?"

"Voter fraud" is pretty much statistically nonexistent.

longship

(40,416 posts)
28. Yup, those who want minorities to be able to vote and those who don't.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:12 AM
Jun 2015

The lines are pretty damned clear. It is comforting that Hillary is making this a campaign issue.

R&

Cha

(298,139 posts)
30. One of their biggest Fears.. the Voting Rights of all Americans.. Obamacare is another..
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 07:43 AM
Jun 2015

Thanks Steve

Turbineguy

(37,423 posts)
36. The GOP had such a good and simple plan...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jun 2015

no people of color and especially, no women. Women are trouble dontcha know. Look at Hillary Clinton. I mean, you name your daughter after a mountain climber, she's bound to cause trouble.

samsingh

(17,607 posts)
38. more gop bullshit. these people seem to be seriously stupid and liars
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015

yes a divide is created - between those who believe in Democracy and the gop who is realizing that fair elections may destroy their ability to ever win another election.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
40. Pot, meet kettle
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jun 2015

I thought the GOP would meet this with silence, at least for now, but the clowns couldn't wait to act like fools.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
51. Excellent!
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jun 2015

She has them on the defensive already. I like the way they pass voter ID laws to divide the voters, then accuse Clinton of being divisive.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
53. HRC
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jun 2015

Has forgotten more about politics than the GOP could ever learn. Keep hitting the GOP on their total and complete lack of rational governance Madam Secretary!

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
55. The party that is against government control...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jun 2015

Is talking about lax controls on voting. Schizophrenic party at best. What is it to much government intervention or not enough?

Gothmog

(146,018 posts)
60. The GOP does not want poor people to vote
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jun 2015

The GOP hates letting poor people and minorities to vote and so think that it is class warfare to encourage these people to vote .

qwlauren35

(6,154 posts)
62. You've got to be sh*tting me.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:32 PM
Jun 2015

I keep trying to think of something to say but words fail me.

I remember 4 years ago when a FB friend of mine said "what's so bad about making people have IDs". She got schooled real fast.

I am trying to understand how ANYONE IN AMERICA can object to early voting.

Somebody please break it down for me.

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
63. Kasich is correct about one thing
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

NYS doesn't have early voting. It's annoying. Though I've not heard of extra long lines here or throughout the state. I think I had to wait about an hour at most in 2008.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
64. They are fucking sociopaths
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jun 2015

Only one can think of some shit like that to respond to criticism against their "War on Voting" clearly designed to increase their odds by decreasing the electorate. Voter fraud my ass, voter fraud in New Jersey I'd love to hear about it.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
66. The GOP can go piss up a rope
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jun 2015

after pounding sand up its ass. HRC was spot on, which is why they are bellowing. K&R

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