how many years did we train iraqi forces and for what?

Another step to full back to iraq as neocons want.Obama is so gutless he is doing what they want.

More evidance i and others were idiots to support him over hillary.

Only hope to pull away from this direction is Bernie Sanders.no difference at all between corporate Dems like hillary and republicans
on this.

When the social safety net is cut to help pay for it.don't cry to me.

Iraq isn't worth one american life or one cent of american taxpayer money.

You know partly why i am done with Obama.

is not what I want.

I want a different direction, new set of ideas, jobs needed in the United States, infrastructure needs to be rebuilt - my city has potholes the size of a large beachballs all over, and no money to pay for a full repaving, and most of the time, the patches gets washed off with the recent amount of crazy rains we've had lately. I want a politician that understands domestic spending is now a higher priority then doing another military misadventures... Rebuild the infrastructure, and maintain it, and you create permanent jobs. Upgrade the railroads to be high speed. Make them highly competitive with the airlines. Europe and Japan has shown the future, it's now time to embrace it. I won't even mention wind and solar energy industries because they also create tons of jobs.

I am tired of this BS.as you said united states infrastructure needs to be rebult.

If i wanted to go with corporists and neo-cons i would vote republican.That's why I am supporting bernie sanders.

Those like hillary thought it was such a great idea to give bush the authority helped create this mess.that alone should disqualife her
for president.

I don't have no fancy degree but i knew back in 2002 going to war in iraq was bad idea.

Its that she, along with other Corporate Dems, fought against Progressives. Time and time again Corporate Dems will side with Repugs, like TPP & Bush Tax Cuts for the rich, and villify "the left". I sincerely believe that Corporate Dems work to make sure real Leftists dont gain serious power in the party or office. They hate us, and like FDR, I welcome their hatred.

I haven't heard it yet.

Bernie spoke about the Middle East yesterday on NPR on that radio show.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2015-06-10/the-2016-presidential-race-a-conversation-with-democratic-candidate-and-vermont-senator-bernie-sanders

I liked how clear he was:

"What is taking place now is a war for the soul of Islam. Saudi Arabia, it turns out, has the third-largest military budget in the world. You got Turkey there, you got Jordan there, you got the UAE there. You have -- countries are going to have to step up to the plate and lead the effort with the support of the United States and other Western countries. But here is my nightmare, and I see it moving forward every day. You've got a lot of Republicans there who apparently did not learn anything from the never-ending war in Afghanistan, learned nothing from what happened in Iraq and want us in a perpetual warfare in the Middle East."

"I don't have a magic solution. I'm not sure anybody does. But what has to happen is the Muslim countries in that area, there has got to be a strong coalition. They're going to have to get their hands dirty. They can't sit aside and wait for the United States of America, our soldiers, our taxpayers, to carry the ball for them. They're going to have to lead the effort."

not that most people here care - as Ive seen over the last 12 years. but in case someone who does value us stumbles on this.

Ive offered my experience and thoughts on this before but usually got it censored by people here because it wasnt popular.

here's a hint. If either party really started backing veterans - and I think Bernie would actually be in my corner - they would dominate ever election on every level for the next 2 decades.

On a different note why should Snowden get clemency without a trial? You remember PFC Manning? That kid is a hero to this war veteran. Did the right thing, but broke the law. Didnt run from the consequences. Didnt continue to dangle more 'secrets' (hey I thought you were about freedom and democracy and not keeping 'threats to democracy' in your back pocket for your personal gain.

and tried to link her to Al Qaeda.

So, submit to torture and get 35 years in prison (or a death sentence), or say, "Screw your feelings" and get the fuck out of Dodge.

What to do, what to do...

Obama either supports the neocon/MIC idea of continuous war or he is powerless to stop it.

Noticed you totally avoided calling "PFC Manning" a she. Interesting.

And did Snowden do the wrong thing by avoiding being tortured and imprisoned for life? Easy to say no. Snowden isn't any less of a hero because he tried to avoid the wrath of the NSA/CIA Black Security State.

The treatment of whistle-blowers is an issue where we can see the difference between progressives and conservatives. Guess which wants him tortured and "broken"?

it's a bad 'movie' replayed over and over again

I want out of this bad movie!!!

Today's dems at least those that get elected to white house are spineless.The president makes decsions.not military.the excuse i keep hearing is i just follow recommandations of military leaders.

In early 1960's kennedy didn't just do what military wanted.if he had the world would have been blown up In october 1962 over cuba.
They didn't think he went far enough In vietnam.

Problem with clintons and obama is they just go along with war plans.

Does anyone actully read anymore?This is early 1960's all over again with "Advisors"

I don't have no fancy degree but i can reality here just like i knew it was bad idea in 2002 to go into iraq.

we spent how many years training and funding iraqi army and for what?

I'm sick of this crap.

Rep. James McGovern from Massachusetts just gave the republicans a what if and lack of spine that this current Majority right wing Congress about this troop deployment that Obama is putting in place and the other items that he has been doing and what he asked Congress to do 10 months ago from this worthless John Boehner ( Speaker---drunk) , Kevin McCarthy----- (Spineless chicken hawk majority leader).

McGovern basically said this country is spending 3.5 million an HOUR in Iraq today (84 million in a twenty-four hour period) and in the scheme of priorities from the republicans today ( 6-10-15) ---------------they want to gut the requirement to not tell us where we get our food from and what they do to the food in foreign countries before they ship it to us for consummation----------(so this labeling bill from your right wing spineless rep from Yakima for all of you Washingtonites out there on the west coast) is more important than taking a up or down vote on authorizing your / our citizens to fight in a civil war and die in Iraq that this right wing Congress doesn't want to vote on-------------you just can't make this stuff up.

U.S citizens are being put in harms way and this majority of right wing hypocrites doesn't --hasn't even brought this up------------it is there Constitutional responsibility-----------this is totally outrageous your either for this crap or your against it -----------vote on it go on the public record-----------that's you job description





Rep McGovern got it right

All we have to do after sending these 450 ... is to send about 140,000 more.

Which should happen any day now.

... Iraq, but he did.

DU common wisdom also had him invading Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Iran at various times too.

Never happened.

What surprises me is that some DU members continue to act as if their failed dire predictions on such things actually came true.

Thus giving them a manufactured reason to expect Obama to reinvade Iraq once again.

I probably shouldn't be surprised.

situation.

We will be spending our money and having troops involved over there for the rest of my lifetime regardless of who is in power. Just like Israel and the Palestinians, this will never end.

Peace

Should we be sorry for being anti war again ? I'm not sorry .

to train these dumbasses, and then they will do what they have done (since 1991) when confronted- they will drop their weapons and run.