it becomes clear what direction the wind is blowing.

Now I know the TPP is dead, dead, dead.

We shall see next week, but I am not optimistic. I think this week's vote was Kabuki. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

of course she does. It's safe now since so many democrats voted against it. Transparent and obvious political 'announcement'... She will NEVER have my trust and god forbid I'll be forced to vote for her.

n/t

I've personally always said that no party owns my vote. That said, I'm voting for Hillary Clinton.

How about just... NO deal?

That way if you've misinterpreted it, that's on you.

A belief from the same contingent who said, "Bernie Sanders is not a viable candidate."

before the pollsters tell her it is safe to have that opinion.

What a weak, puling non-statement!

Unlike others here, I could hold my nose and vote for her, but it'd only be as a last resort.

simply put and that's that with Hillary. Bernie should burn her good on this one.

If she takes a position liked by the DU politburo, "she has a finger in the wind."

If she takes a position against or no position at all, she is a one-percenter-wall-street-supporter who doesn't care for working class.

Had she said even the weak stuff she said BEFORE the vote, there would have been far fewer eyerolls.

I heard NPR radio more than a month ago report that ...I didn't even pay attention too much since it seemed like typical politics. If I see the report again I'll post the link.

-Hillary was under oath not to reveal content of the TPP from the time she was SoS.

-Hillary met with Obama last spring and agreed he would not criticize her campaign, and she would not undermine his legislative efforts during the primary since they represent the same administration.

-This is not unusual, because members of an administration, even even when they leave office don't usually "tell all" on issues , even ones they disagree over.

Hillary has stated her position on trade agreements, but she has no reason to go after Obama's effort, and then expect him to possibly campaign for her as the Democratic candidate. Do you think Bernie would help defeat Obama's legacy legislation and then ask for support during the general election? Bernie has practically conceded he won't get anything but half-hearted lip service from Obama if he is the candidate.

The US has 20 trade agreements now. The TPP is the only one in 20 years to become a target of debate, and it looks like it won't pass for now. Regardless, the TPP will likely be over one way or the other before the primary candidates are named. It's a symbolic issue more than anything else at this time.

Among liberals, an endorsement from Obama is not such a big deal since he revealed himself to be a corporatist. Of course Hillary would want his endorsement, being very similar to him ideologically (I'll grant that she is further left, but not by much) so of course she would not go against him on the TPP. So why not just be honest and say she supports it? Because she wants to have her cake and eat it too, and she can't. She can't have me, not in the primaries anyway, because I don't trust her. And how many of these 20 trade agreements were kept under such tight wraps beforehand? You can get back to me on that one.

First, Hillary needs Obama for the minority vote. She's smart to enlist Obama.

Next, here in Florida 25% were born outside the US. They don't see the TPP as so bad, because it help keep the US from running over other countries in the world - not just corporations - but the US government has installed governments, taken down government, sent in the troops, manipulated natural resources, and ripped off the world.
Even legal, first generation immigrants are not sympathetic to Americans who want to stack the deck in our favor. The talk about the TPP as a way to balance the table. American's only want to discuss if America wins. I can see their point. Why not try to achieve something that is really good for all parties?

International business, travel, and tourism (big here in Florida) also is generally in favor of parts of the TPP - of course we don't know for sure what's in it and we all know what Warren doesn't like about it.

So, Hillary has accurately said she won't sign something on her watch that hurts American jobs, but there may be some good parts to the TPP if it protects American property, opens doors, and contains worker protections.

She has said that Congress and Obama should listen to the complaints about the TPP.

I still think the demands for an "up or down" opinion are more rhetoric than reality. Finally, remember that outside of DU political junkies, most people have not heard of Bernie Sanders in the Sunbelt, much less the TPP. Obama's endorsement is much more valuable than an obscure bill that no one understands.

So who doesn't support the best and the strongest?...must be President O because he was on the other side on this vote. Of course, if and when TPP passes, HRC can still come down on either side and say she's been there all along.

"... And if we don't get it, there should be no deal."

This says abosultely nothing!!!

The TPP has already been written.

Would she vote for the TPP or not, in its current form?

Horrible candidate

before being for it again if it should befall her to sign the TPP as President.

And then she wonders where her credibility gap is coming from (I hope she proves me wrong).

that she's against it, period. Or say something along the lines that the fast-track vote is not over and to call your congresscritters to oppose such a deal.

"to make sure we get the best, strongest deal possible. And if we don't get it, there should be no deal." WTF is that? Deal or no deal?

Congrats and glad you had lots of fun at HRC kick-off!!!!!

SO, we were indeed correct in saying that she had no position...

And now the position is that the President should work with congressional Democrats for the best deal?

That's a position?

It's still not enough.

This kabuki is gonna do two things: pass the TPP and piss people off in droves. I predict they will overplay their hand. But we'll be screwn anyway.

Kind of like saying "some of our friends are for it, some of our friends are against it, and we're going to stand by our friends"

Labor is not lobbying for increased TAA funding at this point, they're going for the kill

Garner, Democrat, 44th Speaker of the House.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Nance_Garner

It might look like lemonade. NAFTA might have looked like lemonade.

others do so based upon Rock Star status.

Progressive Democrats clearly have gotten the attention of the Democratic Party Establishment. It would be easy at this point for us to take it for granted that Hillary would be looking hard over her left shoulder approaching the Democratic primaries but we shouldn't. There is no reason to believe this was inevitable. Clinton could easily have positioned herself to openly joust with the left wing of the Party in order to strengthen her hold on the middle looking forward to a general election contest against a Right Wing Republican, but that has not been her choice.

I am stunned that there are those who would vote for someone who is so politically crass.

ie...

I am BETTER at STRONG arming fellow Democrats to accept this deal or something similar after I am elected.

"the Best"....but the Best for WHO? The Best for the Pharmaceutical Industry? The Best for the people?

"the Strongest"....but the Strongest WHAT? A pro corporate agreement so strong it can only be changed by a Constitutional Amendment?

What does it mean????

WHY can't politicians ever finish a friggin thought? Be specific?

I have to admit, I don't get the clapping and cheering as if her position was cleared up sufficiently here to the earn favor of the people. I'm not a blind cheerleader...I want, and expect, candidates to convey clear and concise policy positions on the issues of the day. Unless someone can prove differently, Bernie is the only one I see campaigning that way.