Senate Votes To Outlaw Torture
Source: Huffington Post
BUSHWHACKED! SENATE VOTES TO OUTLAW TORTURE
WASHINGTON -- In a landmark showing, lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to outlaw the practice of torture and solidify a noncoercive method of intelligence interrogation, indicating a firm departure from the years of the Bush-era torture program -- a period that many have characterized as one of the darkest chapters in the nations history.
The road to that symbolic vote, though, was not an easy one, despite still-simmering outrage after the December release of a gruesome Senate summary report on the CIAs post-9/11 torture program. Even in the days leading up to the vote, anti-torture advocates both on and off the Hill remained concerned that the CIAs defenders would rally to tank the measure.
In an effort led by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), senators voted in a landslide 78-21 to tack an amendment onto the fiscal 2016 National Defense Authorization Act that would forbid the use of torture by any agent of the U.S. government and standardize certain noncoercive interrogation methods across the governments military and intelligence arms.
The vote marked a profound, full-circle moment for Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chair Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who has spent the better part of the past six years championing a 6,000-plus page committee report that exposed the dysfunction and abuse that plagued the CIAs post-9/11 torture program.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/16/senate-cia-torture_n_7595230.html
underpants
(183,059 posts)Just because Addington and Yu and the other Cheney Youth wrote absurd papers didn't make it legal.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)old guy
(3,284 posts)Solly Mack
(90,803 posts)But we still have people pretending otherwise.
underpants
(183,059 posts)Wow what a great read.
Solly Mack
(90,803 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,169 posts)water boarding.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,719 posts)To define what torture is, as well as indefinitely detain Americans without due process. This vote is , at best, a symbolic gesture, at worst, a cynical manipulation of the media and electorate.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)"Sure, we tortured people. And conducted medical experiments on them against their will. But now everything is forgiven and forgotten because we pinky-swear to not do it again until we feel like."
EDIT:
Does anybody think that the CIA really, REALLY, REALLY cares THE LEAST BIT about what US-laws say?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)The torture issue was finalized in the Geneva Conventions relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. That makes Bush/Cheney, et al, WAR CRIMINALS.
Todays action is like: I guess we weren't all that sure about the Geneva Conventions so we can't really hold anyone accountable. But now that WE have outlawed torture, anyone that does it from now on is in BIG FN Trouble!!
malthaussen
(17,241 posts)I'd love to see the list of people who voted against it.
-- Mal
alboe
(192 posts)NAYs ---21
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cotton (R-AR)
Crapo (R-ID)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Graham (R-SC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sasse (R-NE)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Vitter (R-LA)
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00209
malthaussen
(17,241 posts)Maybe he is more intelligent than the others. Intelligent enough to know he should get on the good side of a symbolic vote!
-- Mal
Reter
(2,188 posts)I'm shocked Mike Lee supported keeping torture. He has a much more libertarian swing than Cruz.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)be no violations.
Torture gives aid and comfort to our enemies. George Washington knew that. And that is why he prohibited it during our Revolution.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)heightened questioning, alternative debriefing, positive information gathering, or Cheneying. Republicans are great at labelling things what they are not. Then they'll just point to the new deceptive label and claim it's not what it is.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Because until those mofos ARE prosecuted for torture/breaking geneva conv/crimes against humanity the dark stain remains. This vote is meaningless.
calimary
(81,612 posts)And for republi-CONS, well, we certainly can't have that!!!!
lark
(23,203 posts)On this topic she actually appears to be a Democrat.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)turbinetree
(24,745 posts)United States Senate and House of Representatives ----------you have 17 cohorts (now on the Jebby misinformation ---pedantic----tour-----------oh boy----- ) and two paid psychologists
( http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/04/torturous-evasions-american-psychological-association/)
that developed this crap (81 millions for the CIA) and then you have there "legal" advisers in colleges now brainwashing students with there version of law and order and still running around, who knew or twisted and broke the Geneva Convention document (and laws in this country under conspiracy laws to violate treaties) you know that pesky little document that was signed by this country in Geneva.
And what I really find striking is that John McCain--------leading the charge on this, ------but---- he is going around trying to put thousands in Iraq as we speak on the ground-----so to think outside the box-----what if one of those presently (3,000) gets captured.
This country hasn't even voted on an authorization to go to war in over 10 months.
Just call me a cynic
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)If anyone in the Senate can speak with authority on the subject of torture, it's John McCain.
Scalded Nun
(1,245 posts)Something here just does not smell right. Torture has been outlawed all along. Hell, we executed defeated enemies for doing less than we have (one of he perks for being the victor).
I see this as something the criminals can hide behind under some sort of ex-post-facto cover, and these politicians know it.
We are such a chickenshit country, and I seriously doubt that any of the criminals who engaged in this (or who enabled it) will even be brought to justice (in this country).
I do hope, though, that at the very least these criminals will never be able to travel beyond our borders without the fear that they will be arrested and finally be brought to justice.
One can hope.
erronis
(15,481 posts)The CIA extraordinary renditions were just a test to see how easily it could be done - it turns out very easily. We also identified several friendly nations that were willing to do the torturing and butchering for us - but not in our name!
Sort of like drone warfare. We have 22 year old "specialists" sitting in MIC operation centers deciding where to render, how to dispose of. Very efficient and very clean and very deniable.
Paladin
(28,290 posts)Solly Mack
(90,803 posts)This "symbolic vote" won't stop anything either.
Try prosecuting the guilty.
"..a firm departure from the years of the Bush-era torture program -- a period that many have characterized as one of the darkest chapters in the nations history."
Uh, until the guilty are held accountable, the "darkest chapters in the nations history" continues on.
America is a nation where torturing people becomes a subject for debate on the effectiveness of torture and a nation where prosecuting war criminals is considered bad for the country. How sick is that? (and we ain't well yet)
People running as fast as they can to move away from America's war crimes without so much as a thought to justice for the victims are nothing more than cowards.
C Moon
(12,227 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Snow Leopard
(348 posts)every nation will torture, it is naive to think otherwise.
Roy Rolling
(6,947 posts)As long as we are passing laws to ban things that are already against the law.
But, what the hell. It's crazy GOOD not crazy BAD.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That should be used in election ads.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)...
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)You're confusing torture with enhanced interrogation techniques. Totally different methods. Just ask the War Shrub and the Dick. They'll tell you.
(inserting this for the Sarcastically challenged)