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kpete

(72,060 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:56 PM Jun 2015

Senate Votes To Outlaw Torture

Source: Huffington Post

BUSHWHACKED! SENATE VOTES TO OUTLAW TORTURE

WASHINGTON -- In a landmark showing, lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to outlaw the practice of torture and solidify a noncoercive method of intelligence interrogation, indicating a firm departure from the years of the Bush-era torture program -- a period that many have characterized as one of the darkest chapters in the nation’s history.

The road to that symbolic vote, though, was not an easy one, despite still-simmering outrage after the December release of a gruesome Senate summary report on the CIA’s post-9/11 torture program. Even in the days leading up to the vote, anti-torture advocates both on and off the Hill remained concerned that the CIA’s defenders would rally to tank the measure.

In an effort led by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), senators voted in a landslide 78-21 to tack an amendment onto the fiscal 2016 National Defense Authorization Act that would forbid the use of torture by any agent of the U.S. government and standardize certain noncoercive interrogation methods across the government’s military and intelligence arms.


The vote marked a profound, full-circle moment for Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chair Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who has spent the better part of the past six years championing a 6,000-plus page committee report that exposed the dysfunction and abuse that plagued the CIA’s post-9/11 torture program.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/16/senate-cia-torture_n_7595230.html

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Senate Votes To Outlaw Torture (Original Post) kpete Jun 2015 OP
It already was illegal underpants Jun 2015 #1
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #8
Exactly! WTF! old guy Jun 2015 #13
Thank you! Solly Mack Jun 2015 #16
Jane Mayer"s "The Darkside" underpants Jun 2015 #21
It sure was! Solly Mack Jun 2015 #22
I hope the wording includes stress positions and truthisfreedom Jun 2015 #30
And yet, the 2006 Military Commissions Act gives the President a loophole Fiendish Thingy Jun 2015 #33
And what will the US do about the guys who actually tortured??? DetlefK Jun 2015 #2
I see what they're doing... Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #3
Allow me to guffaw. malthaussen Jun 2015 #4
Senators voting against alboe Jun 2015 #24
My goodness, Cruz voted with the majority. malthaussen Jun 2015 #26
The far right with a libertarian side hates torture, which is why Paul also voted with the majority Reter Jun 2015 #28
K&R. Affirms the law that already existed but hopefully states it so clearly that there will JDPriestly Jun 2015 #5
Nah, all you have to do is call it something else: Enhanced interrogation techniques, tclambert Jun 2015 #27
So are we going to offer us rummy/bush/cheney to the hague for prosecution? peacebird Jun 2015 #6
Now wait just a minute. You're talking accountability. calimary Jun 2015 #9
DiFi's shining moment. lark Jun 2015 #7
Or at least a human being. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #10
Excuse me............................. turbinetree Jun 2015 #11
You have to remember that McCain was tortured as a prisoner in Vietnam Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2015 #31
I agree with what has been said Scalded Nun Jun 2015 #12
So we are just planning to outsource the torture - maybe part of our trade agreements. erronis Jun 2015 #14
Thank you, Senator Feinstein. (nt) Paladin Jun 2015 #15
Torture was already illegal and that did NOT stop anything. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #17
Gee, that's nice. Some leader of the free world we are. "Oh. Okay, we won't torture anymore." C Moon Jun 2015 #18
Call me when the US starts prosecuting torturers. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #19
symbolic at best Snow Leopard Jun 2015 #20
Outlaw Sharia Law While You're At It Roy Rolling Jun 2015 #23
21 freaks voted for torture.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #25
Pretty sure torture was illegal already. Helen Borg Jun 2015 #29
No no no no no! d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #32

underpants

(183,059 posts)
1. It already was illegal
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

Just because Addington and Yu and the other Cheney Youth wrote absurd papers didn't make it legal.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,719 posts)
33. And yet, the 2006 Military Commissions Act gives the President a loophole
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jun 2015

To define what torture is, as well as indefinitely detain Americans without due process. This vote is , at best, a symbolic gesture, at worst, a cynical manipulation of the media and electorate.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. And what will the US do about the guys who actually tortured???
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

"Sure, we tortured people. And conducted medical experiments on them against their will. But now everything is forgiven and forgotten because we pinky-swear to not do it again until we feel like."

EDIT:
Does anybody think that the CIA really, REALLY, REALLY cares THE LEAST BIT about what US-laws say?

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
3. I see what they're doing...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jun 2015

The torture issue was finalized in the Geneva Conventions relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. That makes Bush/Cheney, et al, WAR CRIMINALS.

Todays action is like: I guess we weren't all that sure about the Geneva Conventions so we can't really hold anyone accountable. But now that WE have outlawed torture, anyone that does it from now on is in BIG FN Trouble!!

alboe

(192 posts)
24. Senators voting against
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015

NAYs ---21
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cotton (R-AR)
Crapo (R-ID)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Graham (R-SC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sasse (R-NE)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Vitter (R-LA)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00209

malthaussen

(17,241 posts)
26. My goodness, Cruz voted with the majority.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jun 2015

Maybe he is more intelligent than the others. Intelligent enough to know he should get on the good side of a symbolic vote!

-- Mal

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
28. The far right with a libertarian side hates torture, which is why Paul also voted with the majority
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jun 2015

I'm shocked Mike Lee supported keeping torture. He has a much more libertarian swing than Cruz.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. K&R. Affirms the law that already existed but hopefully states it so clearly that there will
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:19 PM
Jun 2015

be no violations.

Torture gives aid and comfort to our enemies. George Washington knew that. And that is why he prohibited it during our Revolution.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
27. Nah, all you have to do is call it something else: Enhanced interrogation techniques,
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

heightened questioning, alternative debriefing, positive information gathering, or Cheneying. Republicans are great at labelling things what they are not. Then they'll just point to the new deceptive label and claim it's not what it is.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
6. So are we going to offer us rummy/bush/cheney to the hague for prosecution?
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jun 2015

Because until those mofos ARE prosecuted for torture/breaking geneva conv/crimes against humanity the dark stain remains. This vote is meaningless.

calimary

(81,612 posts)
9. Now wait just a minute. You're talking accountability.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jun 2015

And for republi-CONS, well, we certainly can't have that!!!!

turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
11. Excuse me.............................
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jun 2015

United States Senate and House of Representatives ----------you have 17 cohorts (now on the Jebby misinformation ---pedantic----tour-----------oh boy----- ) and two paid psychologists

( http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/04/torturous-evasions-american-psychological-association/)

that developed this crap (81 millions for the CIA) and then you have there "legal" advisers in colleges now brainwashing students with there version of law and order and still running around, who knew or twisted and broke the Geneva Convention document (and laws in this country under conspiracy laws to violate treaties) you know that pesky little document that was signed by this country in Geneva.

And what I really find striking is that John McCain--------leading the charge on this, ------but---- he is going around trying to put thousands in Iraq as we speak on the ground-----so to think outside the box-----what if one of those presently (3,000) gets captured.

This country hasn't even voted on an authorization to go to war in over 10 months.

Just call me a cynic

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
31. You have to remember that McCain was tortured as a prisoner in Vietnam
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jun 2015

If anyone in the Senate can speak with authority on the subject of torture, it's John McCain.

Scalded Nun

(1,245 posts)
12. I agree with what has been said
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jun 2015

Something here just does not smell right. Torture has been outlawed all along. Hell, we executed defeated enemies for doing less than we have (one of he perks for being the victor).

I see this as something the criminals can hide behind under some sort of ex-post-facto cover, and these politicians know it.

We are such a chickenshit country, and I seriously doubt that any of the criminals who engaged in this (or who enabled it) will even be brought to justice (in this country).

I do hope, though, that at the very least these criminals will never be able to travel beyond our borders without the fear that they will be arrested and finally be brought to justice.

One can hope.

erronis

(15,481 posts)
14. So we are just planning to outsource the torture - maybe part of our trade agreements.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jun 2015

The CIA extraordinary renditions were just a test to see how easily it could be done - it turns out very easily. We also identified several friendly nations that were willing to do the torturing and butchering for us - but not in our name!

Sort of like drone warfare. We have 22 year old "specialists" sitting in MIC operation centers deciding where to render, how to dispose of. Very efficient and very clean and very deniable.

Solly Mack

(90,803 posts)
17. Torture was already illegal and that did NOT stop anything.
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jun 2015

This "symbolic vote" won't stop anything either.

Try prosecuting the guilty.

"..a firm departure from the years of the Bush-era torture program -- a period that many have characterized as one of the darkest chapters in the nation’s history."

Uh, until the guilty are held accountable, the "darkest chapters in the nation’s history" continues on.

America is a nation where torturing people becomes a subject for debate on the effectiveness of torture and a nation where prosecuting war criminals is considered bad for the country. How sick is that? (and we ain't well yet)


People running as fast as they can to move away from America's war crimes without so much as a thought to justice for the victims are nothing more than cowards.

Roy Rolling

(6,947 posts)
23. Outlaw Sharia Law While You're At It
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015

As long as we are passing laws to ban things that are already against the law.

But, what the hell. It's crazy GOOD not crazy BAD.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
32. No no no no no!
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

You're confusing torture with enhanced interrogation techniques. Totally different methods. Just ask the War Shrub and the Dick. They'll tell you.
(inserting this for the Sarcastically challenged)

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