GOD. He's 21. TWENTY-ONE!!!!

!?!?!?!?????????

I will be curious to learn where he learned his hateful racism. Online, or from relatives? He's old enough I have no patience for any excuses, but young enough that I wish that whoever has been nurturing that hatred in him should be also held accountable.

I'm not surprised - every day that I watch our President being so disrespected - to almost an abnormally hideous extent. And it just never seems to end. Hell, I've SEEN the little kids at the teabagger rallies, who see their moms and dads and uncles and aunts walking around with the stars 'n' bars either flying from their hats or stitched onto their jeans or emblazoned on their t-shirts, and their poorly-spelled posters with the President's image displayed in a derogatory fashion. I've seen the little kids who are brought to these rallies with their parents and/or other family members.

As my late great mother-in-law used to say - "they don't suck it outta their thumbs."

Racism is alive and well in the Palmetto State. The gun laws don't require a background check in SC I think, even though federal sale do.

Shouted "You lie" during a SOTU speech when Obama said that illegal immigrants would not get coverage under his health care plan. He gave one of those weak non-apologies, and then realized what a fund-raising tool he had and collected more money than any previous SC Congressional candidate ever had. Little son-of-a-bitch is still in Congress. Started his career as an aide to Strom Thurmond.

President Obama should have made an enormous example of him right then and there. He should have stopped the speech, forced Wilson to come up to the podium and slapped him across the face with an open hand for the disrespect to the office of the President of the United States. He then should have kicked the ever-loving shit out of the son of a bitch and embarassed him in front of the entire nation.

I know I will never be President for a ton of reasons, but if I had been giving a solemn and respected speech to the nation and been interrupted like that by such a no account weasel of a representative, it would have been open season on his ass for the remainder of the session. After EVERY applause line, I would have taken a dramatic pause and retorted, "Was THAT a lie too Joe?". After every proposal or program discussed, "Was THAT a lie too Joe?".

I thought that egregious breech of etiquette was unforgivable. Apparently the voters of that district in South Carolina still believe otherwise...

Especially since I had spent 8 years being bitched at for my rants against Bush as a moronic murderer, with people telling me I should respect the office if not the man.

Wilson is, to my great regret and shame, my Congressman. I'm not sure looking back that his outburst wasn't planned in advance. He was facing a very tough fight (while his district is considered safe, Democrats usually get 43-47% of the vote) against a moderate, white Iraq war vet. Wilson became an instant Tea Party hero and raised a ton of money with his shameful act. He won with about 55% and hasn't faced a serious Dem challenger since.

and how shocked I was. As funny as it might have been to see that, the president handled it with class- he let them show their ass.

You dont see a lot of 40+ yr olds shooting each other or shooting groups of people. I guess part of it is that "invincible" feeling that we all have at that age.

It's the perfect age for hate movement recruiting - naive, reckless, and old enough to do your bidding.

Glad you're here. That's a great point. GREAT point. "Naive, reckless, and old enough to do your bidding." And thoroughly buying into the whole "I'm gonna be FAMOUS! I'm gonna be a MARTYR!" thing. That "Blaze of Glory" crap.

He is no doubt a nasty piece of work w/issues but God Damn Fox News, Hate Radio,
Right Wing Groups and Web Sites, and other people and groups that helped to poison
his mind.

..... and all that assorted "junk."

Your response could be written "Now all the victims's families and friends will be able to confront the piece-of-shit who hurt them".

And then they will receive the satisfaction of him languishing in prison for a very, very, very long time.

And since he's alive, it is easier to track his network of contacts that radicalized him, allowing investigation into those people and prevent a future mass shooting.

Instead, you want to give the shooter the easy way out.

..... was man enough to gun down all those innocent people but not man
enough to do himself.

And yes I do want to know who and or what groups filled his head w/such hate.

The picture of him and his car w/confederate states of america plates and then to
find out his dad gave him a pistol for his birthday last April really pisses me off.

What dumbasses, father and son.

agree with you.

We (and the survivors) will have to endure years of reliving this horrid event.

As long as guns are so easily available, as long as that stars-n-bars culture persists, as long as that bagger mentality and the nutcase mentality remains in place - longing for the "good ol' days" of the mid 1800s, and coddled, and given cover and excused away (because they have "rights", too!), as long as there are those who CLING to the bad old days and yearn to resurrect them and reestablish them and validate them and rationalize how worthy they are to be kept current, nothing will be learned, and nothing will change.

They could start by taking that DAMN flag down from the South Carolina state capitol building. And stop being so damn proud of it.

a coward with a mind poisoned with low vibration thoughts which control his vile actions.

A man who is enough helps, heals, hugs, loves, learns, cares, honors.

While he lives, he is a focus for other hate groups. So it's a mixed bag.

-- Mal

when it comes to martyrdom inspiring future acts.

n/t

Another thing is although he is no doubt mentally ill they will execute him in S.C..

In the west, martyrdom of the dead lasts centuries. Martyrdom of the incarcerated last little longer than a short attention span.

Look at the hate map for the Southern Poverty Law Center for South Carolina and surrounding states. This kid is not alone. Many families have had a continual regeneration of racism and hate for a long long time. It has always been there. Now it is all out and upfront with Obama, and well armed. This has divided my own family. It is scary when a family member marries into a group of yahoos and then is terrorized by them and raises his children with the fear and bigotry and hate.
It is shocking. This is contagious and multi-generational.

There must be a great deal of money in funding hate and devisiveness as it has always been in our nation's history.
They use it over and over again as Karl Rove and Lee Atwater taught. Jesse Helm before that. It has always been there.
It must be productive for the conservative forces. So on it goes.
THIS ONE is NOT going to go away.

And it happened the night before Jeb was supposed to speak? Who trained this kid? Who's drone is he? I want to see the forensics on him. I want to see the profile.Not CNN blather. If he has a military background as Mark David Chapman had then we might deduct funny business could be afoot? These kids do not come from nothing. The male adolescent mine is easily co-opted, exploited and weaponized.

Jade Helm has the hate groups stirred up. Look at Neo Nazi web sites. Look at the research of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Look around you where you live. Look into your families. They are there. They are in the police departments and the military. We need to a better job of reporting this issue and educating everyone. Sadly, for me, I am not surprised. It is as heart breaking as when Malcolm was murdered and Dr. King was murdered.

If we are truly sick of this WE have to change it. My suggestion is a nation wide strike, complete economic boycott, until something REAL is done about it. We need to go Gandhi on them. As Samuel Jackson once said "this is not done behind computer screens. It is done in the streets" so it cannot be ignored or spun or co-opted. It must be economically disruptive to a degree it cannot be trivialized. It must be BIG. Again.

And, so his hate group affiliations can be tracked down.

Find out his connections, do some online searching, find out what groups the bastard belongs to.

God, black people must feel like they're under siege. It's bad enough the cops have it out for them, they're not even safe in their churches.

to have the Damocles "Sword of Blackness" hanging over your head wherever you go. Not safe even in a house of worship.

I just can't even imagine what that's like. Not to feel safe even in church?!?!?!?!?

That just turns so much upside-down. I mean - even just the basic "church-as-sanctuary" theme. You go to church to pray and feel closer to God and more focused on other things than just the hustle-bustle of the current secular (even unholy) day. People seek sanctuary in church. Political sanctuary. Emotional sanctuary. Moral sanctuary. Mental sanctuary. Spiritual sanctuary. SANCTUARY. You're not supposed to feel dread - or vulnerability - in church. You're supposed to feel the comfort and safety of being under God's Wing - Whatever or Whoever your vision of God is.

It's an outrage. An abomination. A sin.

Conservative a-hole twit deserves everything he'll get there

in Roof's plan to murder those people. nt

Not shot while "running away"?
Not shot with hands up?
No suicide shot to the temple with hands cuffed behind the back?
Not beaten in the vehicle?
Not gunned down as soon as the officer left his/her vehicle?
Not a single cop feared for their life???
Amazing. Well done, local LEO!

Negligible fear factor.

White southern male. Only just a tiny bit 'disturbed and/or deranged'.

Not BLACK = not scary.

(I posted it in this OP to begin with! LOL!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026856561)

that's where I got it !

I know people dislike/hate cops on here, but damn. :/

I'm just glad the little fucker got caught.

It's the extra-curricular activities (brutality, overuse of force, murder) that are outside of their supposed jobs that makes many of us feel like the police forces are no longer friends of the people.

It's a tough job but inflaming the problem is not a solution.

Yes, I agree - I'm glad he got caught and I hope people that knew of his scheme also walk the perp walk.

FACT!!!! Always want facts? Well he's one of their own, racially and I'd bet my bottom dollar that those that captured him were of his own race. If he were black, by the way, HE WOULD BE DEAD. FACT!

that if he were black, he would be dead.

Glad you're here. A really horrible day. Sometimes, even in that awfulness, DU becomes a haven and a comfort. Where we can all share in a kind of online wake. I believe the Jewish people call it sitting shiva. Don't know how new you are but perhaps you've gotten a whiff or two of the bickering that's gone on here over the choice of Democratic presidential candidates. And that's kinda been a low point for us as a collective. We do get into it, though.

HOWEVER, you'll find, too, that in crisis times like this one, the solidarity and fellowship and sympathy and empathy and deep care and affection for each other - all that is very much in evidence, too. We DO (we DU) come together and stand shoulder-to-shoulder and comfort one another. At horrifying and bewildering times like this one, we're at our best.

while white, only while black.

Apparently someone spotted his vehicle and called police.

Yes, let's learn about all his associations, family etc.

from fascist, racist, sociopath republicans who create monsters like Dylann Roof

OFF the flagpole at the top of the state capitol building.

So we can rip pieces off of it to wipe our asses with. Might be nice 'n' soft, dontchaknow.

will start a gofundme type money machine to take care of his legal cost. I wish he had at least one bullet in him, but maybe we'll be able to find out who he's working for, idolizes, what his internet activity is about and who responded to his internet activity. God, I wish I was a FBI investigator on this one!!!!

and quickness of the police to respond to the tip.

Very excellent work by the police, I gotta say.

For those not accustomed to the South, attacks against black churches is a HUGE deal down here, and a Federal crime.

Looking forward to learning what that kid's background is, but I ascribe part of the problem to the Reich Wing of the Republican party and to Fox news.

sounds like the little shit thought he would run off into the sunset and live a free life. This is one small sliver of glee one can receive from this situation; he probably thought he wouldn't be caught - and I hope that's the case because what a rug to have pulled out from under you!

Even as deranged mass shootings go, this one is bizarre

-why pray with a group for an hour before shooting?
-how do we reconcile the confederate flag on his car and apartheid era South African flag patch on his jacket (on facebook) with the number of black friends on his facebook page?
-why flee immediately to North Carolina?

It's obvious that he's morally deranged, but maybe he's insane-deranged. Maybe we will not even find out during the justice process.

While it doesn't bring the dead back, it is wonderful that they caught him so that we don't have to wonder where he will strike next. This crime combined the deeply bizarre with the utterly horrific.

Given the very symbolic location, it seems like a crime of terror against blacks and specifically against the civil rights tradition.

But sitting through the prayer meeting?? Does that make any sense? And the witness who said he commented about rape - well, most of those he shot were women!! Does THAT make any sense? You don't go hunting for rapists in churches!!! Given the "taking over" part of his statement to the witness, one might suspect that he was targeting the senator - but then again, why shoot the others?

This is beyond shocking.

get a general pass, maybe even be judged psychologically insane by using the old he's crazy ploy. My question is how did he get so racistly, hatefully deranged. His father gave him the gun a couple of months ago for his birthday...could there be a connection?

Good to have you with us. You sure ask a lot of good questions. I hope our lovely media picks up on some of those.

In a CHURCH forcryingoutloud.

If he'd jumped on I-26 and took it to Spartanburg, then took I-85, that gets him almost to Shelby, NC in less than four hours. He may have realized he had been spotted and taken the little side road from I-85 up to Shelby. I wouldn't be surprised if he has friends in North Carolina, his family used to go there for vacation, or he has some other connection to that area.

Than about actual friendship or respect.

He didn't turn into a murdering racist in a vacuum.

*coff* Fux spews *coff*

I guess when you give your kid a douchebag name like "Dylann", they grow up to be a tool. A racist, murderous tool.

Turns out he was there to "kill black people." Big shock.

Next up...

Wayne LaPierre comes rushing to his defense.
The RW media blames liberals and President Obama

Not racially motivated at all! Fux Snews said so! The War on Christianity continues!

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believe that Gov. in this CNN piece. What bullshit when they fly the confederate flag outside her office every day and as she has said, to hell with the offensive nature of that symbol of racist hate, keep it flying. Trying to sound like she's sad. Take that flag down and maybe, just maybe you can be believed. What bullshit!

I hope there is a march to demand that racist flag be removed.

and burn it in front of their racist eyes. Of course I'd be jailed or even get prison time for desecrating a sacred symbol of S.C. I won't go to jail for something, that would only be symbolic and without substance. But I would like to burn it...

...said his uncle.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspected-charleston-church-shooter-gun-birthday-article-1.2262393

Teach your child to hate and give him the tools to carry out his hatred?

that crime scene was horrendous......goddamn coward!

Dont let him see his 22nd birthday. Dont let him sit in a jail preaching his bullshit.
Execute him. Period

... but this tests that position.

Naw, I'd let him preach his bullshit in jail for the rest of his life.

And what about the "accessory" that gave him the gun?

ought to take a very long time to search their souls and ask themselves are these victims what they wanted as they filled this kids mind with hate and handed him a gun? A lot of people had a hand in this tragedy.

Are they any different than people halfway around the world chopping off heads and burning people alive because they're different? Sadly, no...

No doubt each and very one of these self-righteous haters would be expecting Seal Team 6 to rescue them if they were about to be on the receiving end of such blind hatred.

The hubris is simply appalling.

checks before a person is able to purchase a weapon. This is a no-brainer.

well, maybe not his parents, but i'm betting someone in his close family is pleased as punch with the kind of person Mr. Roof turned out to be.

As in Stormfront?!

Fitting.

was posing in a jacket with patches of apartheid south africa.

I can only take so much of this story. It's so saddening.

I'm trying to figure out what I can do to help. I'm going to see some friends tonight. Maybe set up some conversations in our area on how we can help.

and another tragedy goes down in the US. How many mass shootings is this now? ugh

I sure wish Obama would call it what it is.