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Eugene

(61,974 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:36 PM Jun 2015

Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact

Source: Baltimore Sun

Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" — like those seen in shallow-water diving incidents — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, according to a copy of the autopsy report obtained by The Baltimore Sun.

The state medical examiner's office concluded that Gray's death could not be ruled an accident, and was instead a homicide, because officers failed to follow safety procedures "through acts of omission."

Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, making him "at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van."

Gray, 25, was arrested April 12 following a foot pursuit by officers in the Gilmor Homes area, and suffered a severe spinal injury while in police custody. His death a week later sparked protests over police brutality and unrest in the city — including looting and rioting — that drew international attention to the case.

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Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-freddie-gray-autopsy-20150623-story.html#page=1



By Justin Fenton
The Baltimore Sun

JUNE 23, 2015 5:29 PM

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Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact (Original Post) Eugene Jun 2015 OP
""at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van." < or for being jtuck004 Jun 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jun 2015 #3
Perhaps the first assertion is wrong. Igel Jun 2015 #9
exactly. Change in speed, change in direction is A which = acceleration. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #10
It was going backwards so fast that he was killed when it stopped? Seriously? jtuck004 Jun 2015 #14
Or the van accelerated from a stop, JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #16
I could see that if they had jet engines. But from a standing stop I don't think a body jtuck004 Jun 2015 #17
Friction? A plastic or steel bench and a cloth-covered butt? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #19
He was manhandled into the back. There is video. jtuck004 Jun 2015 #20
There is video of him being manhandled into the back. And there is a bulkhead that keeps them jtuck004 Jun 2015 #21
No doubt, many simpletons are unaware vehicles may be driven in reverse. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #13
'Rough Ride' Hissyspit Jun 2015 #2
Hate to say it Corgigal Jun 2015 #15
It was more than that. They broke his spine and internal organs before that. freshwest Jun 2015 #4
Probably not. Igel Jun 2015 #8
not sure what to make of this Angel Martin Jun 2015 #5
That's the difference. Igel Jun 2015 #11
Straight up Rafale Jun 2015 #6
It's going to be very hard to convict these officers of murder. Calista241 Jun 2015 #12
Anyone who's ever suffered neurogenic pain -- e.g. herniated disc -- knows it's agony mainer Jun 2015 #7
I think they have storefront video of the vans 'rough ride' of the man they knocked off the bike. Sunlei Jun 2015 #18
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
1. ""at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van." < or for being
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jun 2015

bodily thrown into the bolt that made the impression in his head - first report I read said that was on the back door.

Do physics work backwards there?

Response to jtuck004 (Reply #1)

Igel

(35,390 posts)
9. Perhaps the first assertion is wrong.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:35 AM
Jun 2015

It wasn't a bolt on the back door.

Or perhaps the van was moving backwards when it slowed down.

Perhaps there were several injuries--one to his head, one to his neck.

Maybe the reporter didn't use the right word. I would have just said "accelerated", which to my mind covers the gamut--speed up, slow down, change direction.

Trial by media is fraught with risk and peril.

(Please not that I'm not a reporter, as you can tell by my using "fraught" to mean "filled" or "burdened" and therefore view utterances like "Trial by media is fraught" as something only an uneducated dork would say ... but I repeat myself. The word's obviously somehow related to "freight".)

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
14. It was going backwards so fast that he was killed when it stopped? Seriously?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jun 2015

It could also have been murder. Now it is just a bunch of people trying to reach for excuses and lies, instead of taking responsibility.

Murdering, lying police appear to be just about as common as inept reporting.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,384 posts)
16. Or the van accelerated from a stop,
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jun 2015

which would bring the door forward into his inertially still skull.

I would see that as a possible means to his death.

It's not an excuse, to me, it's still murder if the harmful intent is proven.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
17. I could see that if they had jet engines. But from a standing stop I don't think a body
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jun 2015

would just sit there - friction would slow it.

I get your point, of course, but I think what happened in the back of that van had nothing to do with it starting and stopping.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,384 posts)
19. Friction? A plastic or steel bench and a cloth-covered butt?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jun 2015

Sitting near the driver, on the bench along the inside of a large van, if the driver floors it, that passenger will meet the rear door (and any bolt head attached to it) with much force. That passenger will remain pretty much still as the bench slides beneath him.

What happened could have had everything to do with starting, stopping, and turning.

"Rough ride", indeed.

If the officers deliberately neglected to fasten a seat belt around him, that should be good enough for a murder charge.

And, if deliberate, the prosecutor should be able to search the records and find other victims of "rough ride" and establish a pattern.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
20. He was manhandled into the back. There is video.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jun 2015

I could be wrong (probably am) but in reading yours it sounds like they took the seat out, asked him to hop into the passenger side and stand there while they floored it. Possible, sure, but not what happened.

That's the defense the police use - nearly every conceivable scenario except the one that is the most simple to explain, and most likely. And the one which shows them as the most culpable.

But as you say, the pattern tells the tale.


 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. There is video of him being manhandled into the back. And there is a bulkhead that keeps them
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

away from the front.

I could be wrong (probably am) but in reading yours it sounds like they took the seat out, asked him to hop into the passenger side and stand there while they floored it.

That's the defense the police use - nearly every conceivable scenario except the one that is the most simple to explain, and most likely. And the one which shows them as the most culpable.

But as you say, the pattern tells the tale.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
13. No doubt, many simpletons are unaware vehicles may be driven in reverse.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jun 2015

No doubt, many simpletons are unaware vehicles may be driven in reverse as well as forward-- which is I believe, part and parcel of physics, regardless of where one is.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
2. 'Rough Ride'
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015
http://bluenationreview.com/a-rough-ride-is-not-an-accident-it-is-a-weapon

A “Rough Ride” is Not an Accident. It is a Weapon.

JUSTICE
JOHN PAUL BRAMMER MAY 1, 2015

What do you think of when you hear the words “rough ride?”

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It means being handcuffed and thrown into the back of a van with a floor-to-ceiling steel interior. It means being shackled at the ankles and not being secured with a seatbelt as a police officer takes you on a hard-braking, high-speed ride. There is a clear intent to do harm.

Stray dogs on the street are assured greater safety when being taken to the local animal shelter.
As the New York Times reports, these tactics are well known in some communities. In Baltimore, they are called “rough rides.” In Philadelphia, they are called “nickel rides,” which, according to the article, is a “reference to old-time amusement park rides that cost five cents.”
By design, these “rough rides” exist to do damage while keeping officers’ hands off of the arrested. Its effectiveness as a tactic to absolve blame is now being tested as the police department blames Freddie Gray’s death on a bolt in the van.

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. It was more than that. They broke his spine and internal organs before that.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jun 2015
It was a sadistic way to kill a person, it was torture, and he died in unspeakable agony.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
8. Probably not.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jun 2015

But for many lack of evidence is the best evidence of a cover-up, with denial of a cover-up being explicit confirmation.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
5. not sure what to make of this
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jun 2015

some critics of the prosecution think it validates everything they have been saying

but if Freddie keeps moving around, even after being cuffed and shackled, it seems like he should have been belted in

and the claimed negligence was that he wasn't.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
11. That's the difference.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jun 2015

One side said "intentional infliction of fatal injury" to exacerbate the issue.

One side said "no, the injury wasn't intentional."

"Rough ride" came along, which puts it in the category of "intentional accident." Sort of "it's an accident, but we fudged the probabilities."

Now it's going to be up to the jury to decide on the basis of the evidence accepted in court if the accident was half-planned and you get some sort of low-grade homicide, or if it was largely unforeseen but foreseeable and you get manslaughter or if it is going to be deemed just a violation of police procedure. No need for all 6 police to get the same sentence in this, either.

I'm fairly confident that unless they all get the same sentence at least some of those who have them already judged will be irate at not being validated.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
12. It's going to be very hard to convict these officers of murder.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

They should spend significant time in jail for this, but the prosecutor has a tremendously hard fight ahead of them.

mainer

(12,037 posts)
7. Anyone who's ever suffered neurogenic pain -- e.g. herniated disc -- knows it's agony
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jun 2015

I had a herniated cervical disk. It was the worst pain I've ever known, and I've gone through childbirth twice. There is nothing worse, and this poor man died in the most horrible agony I can imagine.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. I think they have storefront video of the vans 'rough ride' of the man they knocked off the bike.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jun 2015

"grounded" on concrete sidewalk, & piled on his back and neck to 'restrain' him before 2 officers had to prop him up to "walk" him to the van for another, Police punishment rough ride.

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