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brooklynite

(95,005 posts)
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:56 PM Jun 2015

Hillary Clinton visits church near Ferguson unrest amidst renewed debate over race relations

Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch

ST. LOUIS COUNTY • Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton arrived on Tuesday at a church in north St. Louis County, a few miles from last year’s unrest in Ferguson, amidst a renewed national debate over race relations and the display of the Confederate battle flag.

Clinton took the podium at the Christ the King United Church of Christ and said the killings last week of nine African-Americans at a Charleston, S.C., church was an “act of racist terrorism perpetrated in a house of God.”

“Hate cannot win,” Clinton said. “We can’t hide from hard truths about race and justice. We have to name them and own them and change them.”

The Democratic front-runner in the presidential race applauded moves by South Carolina to remove the Confederate battle flag from the statehouse. “It shouldn’t fly there,” she said. “It shouldn’t fly anywhere.”

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/hillary-clinton-visits-church-near-ferguson-unrest-amidst-renewed-debate/article_3014bbba-5706-56e0-ac5e-7cb4096ac488.html

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Hillary Clinton visits church near Ferguson unrest amidst renewed debate over race relations (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2015 OP
K&R! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #1
Will she disavow Bill's honoring the Confederate States of America when he was Governor of Arkansas? En Garde Jun 2015 #2
28 years ago... brooklynite Jun 2015 #3
It's never too late to admit a mistake. En Garde Jun 2015 #4
When BILL runs for POTUS again, HE may answer you. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #10
More of the electing her is electing him, because... Women. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #9
Welcome to DU. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #5
Why should she disavow something that Bill did? cosmicone Jun 2015 #6
She is married to Bill, she is not Bill rpannier Jun 2015 #7
Do you really expect people to disentangle the political careers of the Clinton's? delrem Jun 2015 #8
I understand there are a lot of similarities between his views and hers rpannier Jun 2015 #11
That just reads like a munge, to me. delrem Jun 2015 #12
What next? She's responsible for his blowjobs? truthisfreedom Jun 2015 #13
. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #14
 

En Garde

(94 posts)
2. Will she disavow Bill's honoring the Confederate States of America when he was Governor of Arkansas?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jun 2015

"But the former secretary of state, who is now running for president, is not the first Clinton to weigh in on the matter of the Confederacy. The state flag of Arkansas sports 25 white stars and four blue ones. And in 1987, while serving as governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton signed a bill affirming that one of those blue stars is there in honor of the Confederate States of America."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/bill-clinton-arkansas-confederate_n_7638542.html




 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
6. Why should she disavow something that Bill did?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jun 2015

We all have spouses and relatives who have done crazy stuff at different times. Guilt by association is unfair my dear low-post-count poster.

rpannier

(24,350 posts)
7. She is married to Bill, she is not Bill
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

Many couples have very divergent positions on things
They should not be required to state each one of them

delrem

(9,688 posts)
8. Do you really expect people to disentangle the political careers of the Clinton's?
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jun 2015

Do you expect people to disentangle the political careers of the Bush's?
Do you think it's unfair to reference W. and H. when discussing Jeb? What would you think of some Republican campaigner explaining how we have to disassociate Jeb from his brother and father, from his family, and pretend to ourselves that there's no substantive connection? That the Bush political family doesn't share the IDENTICAL political/economic connections, and that if it were Jeb in '01 things would've been different in any substantive way?

Bill and Hillary Clinton are not "many couples" - they aren't just one arbitrary couple picked at random.
Their politics has been of one piece through the years and even a $2.5billion campaign can't change the public perception of that.

rpannier

(24,350 posts)
11. I understand there are a lot of similarities between his views and hers
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 12:57 AM
Jun 2015

There just seems to be this automatic reaction that anything associated negatively with Bill is also thrust upon Hillary as well
And they often lump everything negative to her in a post.
I'd like to see more discussion about her positions
I've also noticed, that if she has an opinion people agree with or has changed her stance, that it's usually treated as pandering. As if the only people who have ever changed positions on an issue did it to pander.
Or, if we all agree, someone will immediately toss in something unrelated to the topic, "What about her position on X?" though it's not the topic at hand
History points to many people who have changed their positions on issues over time, The President of the United States has, much of the country has on topics such as religion and beliefs, death penalty, etc.

There are legitimate criticisms of Ms Clinton. Example: Someone posted HRC speaking in support of harsher sentences and 3 strikes laws. Bill supported that. It's fair game and accurate

I would also add, that if you polled the electorate, most would find her having similar positions to Bill as a positive. Bill Clinton has a very positive public rating. So, it's not a bad thing

What concerns me is whether she will try the 'Vice-President Syndrome' (my term)

Definition: The Veep lets everyone know that he/she agreed 100% with everything that worked and was in opposition to everything that failed
Examples: Walter Mondale (1984), George Bush (1988)

delrem

(9,688 posts)
12. That just reads like a munge, to me.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:02 AM
Jun 2015

I mean, "we came. we saw. he died. hawhawhaw"
We know what we're getting.
We know what Bill did.
We know what Hillary did.
It's all the same program, and the nuance that you're suggesting doesn't exist.

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