MH17 tribunal idea is 'counterproductive': Russian official
Source: Yahoo! News / AFP
Moscow (AFP) - A senior Russian official on Friday rejected calls for the establishment of a UN tribunal to try those responsible for the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine last year.
"We are against it," deputy foreign minister Gennadiy Gatilov was reported by Russian news agencies as saying. "We think it is not timely and counterproductive."
The Netherlands, Malaysia and three other countries want a UN tribunal to investigate the July 2014 crash, which killed all 298 people passengers and crew.
The Boeing 777 passenger jet was travelling between Amsterdam and Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down in eastern Ukraine, during some of the worst fighting between government forces and pro-Russian separatists who took up arms against Kiev's pro-Western government a few months earlier.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I wonder if he gave the guys who murdered those peoples medal.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)...or disappeared themselves in order to avoid being disappeared.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The jurisdiction was with the Netherlands but seemingly more countries jumped on board. Ukraine, Belgium, and Australia are the other 3 countries. I would be OK with a tribunal if it was truly independent depending on the rules & such for evidence, trials, etc but not sure with the polarizing nature of it all. The political pressures would be out-of-control.
Based on a blog post celebrating shooting down an Air Force plane later backtracked when revealed a civilian airliner was shot down later said 'our missiles can't reach that high' which was the same defense Ukraine used but think it it is probable it was rebels considering the location of where it was fired so not picking sides here.
I was trying to find out more info on the Dutch public prosecutor Wim de Bruin who is apparently calling for this and while I don't have nearly enough to make an accurate judgment on this -- I came across this which is crazy "Netherlands says OK for biker gangs to fight Islamic State" -- http://news.yahoo.com/netherlands-says-ok-biker-gangs-fight-islamic-state-155136559.html
Igel
(35,393 posts)But in the end it will, at best, say, "The evidence is this ____________ and to avoid a repetition we should _______________." That's appropriate when the mistake is likely to be some sort of technical or policy failure: Pilots kept up too long, some strut misdesigned, better lighting runway lighting, more time between landings at an airport, or an upgrade to the avionics.
This would be a court. In the end, at best, it would say, "__________ is guilty and the punishment is ____________." It's saying, "Somebody did this through a series of purposeful acts intended to shoot down an airplane; even if they didn't intend to shoot down a civilian airliner, this was the outcome of their choices and they should be held responsible for their choices."
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)but the assumption here seems to be it would be completely 100% fair. FTR, it was clearly obviously shot down and probably by rebel groups -- open source investigations shows trucks driving with a missile around the region and was fired from the East. If it was fired from the West it would have probably been Kiev. The post celebrating success for shooting down an air force place backtracked after notified a civilian airliner fell at the time. Outside of equipment & vehicles they receive from their neighbor that this rebel faction that shot the weapon (highly unlikely either side would intentionally shoot down a civilian plane unless it was a false flag type of thing). At-best they identify the driver, co-driver, supervisor maybe but a plane in the sky isn't something you have a lot of time to prepare for, particularly if you don't expect it.
What I mean is outside of not knowing how the UN tribunal would function, who would preside over, who would decide who is guilty or not guilty and the punishments. What the rules & laws are that are being used. On an international level, particularly with this conflict and the international powers on opposite sides a tribunal would run the risk of being a highly polarizing, intense political pressure to rule a certain way or toward who, who to investigate, what not to investigate, etc. Jodi Arias was on a trial with the governor & many local figures publicly suggesting she should receive the DP, 2 death penalty trials, hundreds of thousands spent, with a judge pressuring the jury to hurry up and make it unanimous when notified the jury was still hung. In this highly polarizing situation I can imagine it x1000 worse and even worse if it was show trial type of situation.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)the downing of the jet, why the objection by Russia to this tribunal?
If it wasn't them or their proxies why would they care?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)What a lying sack of garbage he is.