GOP candidate Trump goes after Sen. John McCain's war record
Source: AP
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump criticized Arizona Sen. John McCain's military record Saturday, saying he was a "war hero because he was captured."
Speaking at a conference of religious conservatives in Iowa, Trump was pressed on his recent description of the 2008 Republican presidential nominee as "a dummy."
McCain served as a Navy pilot during the Vietnam War. He was captured after his plane was shot down and was held more than five years as a prisoner of war. The moderator, Republican pollster Frank Luntz, described McCain as "a war hero."
Trump said McCain "is a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured." The comment drew some boos from the audience.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/gop-candidate-trump-goes-sen-john-mccains-war-181159101--election.html
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)eom
shenmue
(38,506 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)This is one of the hardest things to watch, so I will understand if people are uninterested in seeing it:
It is obvious that McCain endured torture and ill-treatment while a POW. I wish he would have taken something other than what he did away from that experience, but I am not going to cast any aspersions on his military combat service.
I'm not above making jokes about how he was almost the anchorman at the academy, or even doing the snark about how he wrecked three planes, or even commenting about his time on the Hill at OLA (he was a bit of a ... errrr ... ladies' man), but when it comes down to brass tacks, I'm not going to question his commitment to the Navy or the quality of his operational service. He did more than most. He endured torture at the hands of the enemy and he didn't take the easy way out. He displayed character under duress. Did I ever think all that qualified him for the Presidency? Hell no! But I don't need to disparage his service to say I don't think he'd ever be a good Prez.
Why The Donald needs to go there is beyond me. Does he want to Deliberately Implode, I wonder?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I called him McInsane all through the 08 general election but that was a cheap shot. He also refused early release in a swap because he was an Admiral's son.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He had some 'heritage,' if you will!
Interestingly enough, he, himself, was passed over for flag rank. He went over an 0-4, and retired a Captain.
I think that was a good decision to pass him over, but I still think his service while in the Hanoi Hilton was above reproach.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Pow, When he yelled at the woman at a campaign stop when she called president Obama a Muslim terrorist and his speech on election night 08. Otherwise totally disrespect his ways.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)I don't really care for McCain, yet what he went through as a POW is unreproachable, politics of the war aside. And people are going to vote for this chump. Geez...
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Chakab
(1,727 posts)goes down.
cstanleytech
(26,357 posts)I was making one atm and if I had the money to provide christmas gifts to anyone which I dont.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)someone vying to be president to make such a remark.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)so I'm enjoying it with the popcorn for now:-}
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)red dog 1
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K&R
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I say this b/c Trump has said a number of times he's the job creator of the Klown Kar Klowns, and not one reporter has asked his plan.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)And see how he fares.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)He ought to go to Syria, Iraq and the other countries he mentioned to promote US taking over their oil fields. Trumper also derided them as failed countries with failed leadership (ergo, we should move in and take them over). So Trump should go there on a fact finding mission.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,382 posts)... not the Clownstick named Dennis Rodman?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)in order to destroy the rethugs. </tinfoil hat>
democrank
(11,112 posts)I disagree with John McCain on almost evry one of his positions, but I honor the man for his service and what he went through.
Bagsgroove
(231 posts)Maybe this comment will bring him down, but the man is a walking fountain of stupid, racist and otherwise offensive statements going back years. Yeah, the "responsible" establishment candidates will "denounce" this, but it seems Mr. Trump's stupid, racist and otherwise offensive statements are what make him popular with the base.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I think that to a lot of the base he is:
1) Saying what a lot of people are thinking.
2) Speaking the truth, which is why he's catching shit from the rest of the sane world (which is "out of step" with Trump and his base).
3) Not afraid to tell it like it is.
Ignorance and bombast seem to be prized values anymore. For many years I've been afraid of someone like a Donald Trump gaining traction on a national scale -- I hope this isn't it and that his comments today mark the beginning of the end of his prominence in national politics.
still_one
(92,510 posts)Novara
(5,871 posts)I want to see how much damage he does to the GOP before he's finished.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)and memory as accepted of McCain's imprisonment and being used as an unwilling VK propaganda tool, THAT was too much for the GOP!?
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)But I DO respect his service.
Takes a monumental pair of balls to discredit McCain's service, especially coming from someone who hasn't done one damn thing of significance in his own life except to erect ugly, money-losing monstrosities and naming them after himself.
I don't know how conservatives, much less the GOP, can continue to defend or ignore this assclown. Veterans in particular should be outraged.
And all because McCain called out Trump for his bigot rally in Arizona.
Trump's mouth overshoots his ass on a daily basis anymore. I don't find it funny, I find it frightening, especially since he's gaining in the polls. I hope that today he just imploded his campaign.
He is just repugnant.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)just can't.
Darb
(2,807 posts)T-Rump is a loose cannon for sure, but every now and then he makes me laugh. And for what it's worth, McCain was a reckless show off and probably got shot down because he did something stupid. Didn't he crash more than one plane? Wasn't he the son and grandson of admiral's? Near the bottom of his class? He shouldn't have even been there and then he gets himself shot down and captured and then.....?
Jussayin'.
catbyte
(34,542 posts)someone who didn't dodge the draft with 5 deferrals. Although we all realize that The Donald is much Too Special and much Too Precious and Rare to ever be drafted along with the riff raff rabble.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)You'll singlehandedly be the fall of the Republican party's 2016 hopes if you do.
Ouch.
Kingofalldems
(38,511 posts)he's imploding on purpose.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)If so, he is one hell of an actor because I think he truly believes all the shit he says.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i only have 9.75 billion, waaah. wanhhh waahahhhhhhh!!!
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)If it's Trump v. Clinton in the general election, McCain will endorse Hillary.
Write it down.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i would love the guy to pull a chaffee and say "up yours i am switching parties."
for the record i believe chaffee said something more eloquent than "up yours"
BadGimp
(4,024 posts)there's still so much time left for him to do so much incredible damage this would be too soon for him to flameout
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)It was a uber conservative anti RINO crowd whom McCain is considered one and there was an audible groan when he said. It might have his Joseph Welch moment... Too bad ...He would have made us a great pinata.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Beartracks
(12,835 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I take exception to Mr. Trump's attack on Senator McCain based on his having been a war hero. Yes he was captured. No, that would not have been anything like a vacation in Tahiti, or wherever it is the Donald goes to get away from it all.
Regardless of whether the US had honorable or wise aims in Vietnam, McCain, while serving his country, took a risk of being shot and was, in fact, shot down. It happens often to even the best pilots. Sometimes a pilot is shot down and not taken prisoner for the simple reason that he doesn't survive the crash. It was not McCain's first mission. It was his 23rd.
Obviously, a business risk takes less courage than that, but Mr. Trump, who is alleged to be a savvy real estate tycoon, should appreciate the value taking risks and I'm sure he knows that taking any risk, by definition, means that things might not work out as well as one would have liked.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)they're down already. T-ass meets the definition.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)It's why he can't comb his own hair--he cannot raise his arms high enough to do that. His bones weren't set properly, which affects his gait to this day.
I disagree vehemently with the man politically, but anyone who drags up anything he might have said under torture is being a total shit. Your little author at that link is being just that.
McCain's treatment by the Vietcong, and the treatment of others, changed the way POW training is conducted in initial accession training. You hold out as long as you can, as best you can.
You'd do well to delete that post. It makes me think less of you, frankly.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)and you ought to retract. You probably won't, and people will judge you for that. As they should.
McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.[34] By then having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[34] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[40] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.[41] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[42]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Prisoner_of_war
dballance
(5,756 posts)John McCain went on N. Vietnam radio and spoke about how the US was an awful invader.
I completely dislike him for such treasonous statements. Why you do not is a mystery to me. Why do you hate the USA?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Black BABY!!!"
Nice that you're so ready to lie down with Dumbya to trash McCain....
dballance
(5,756 posts)I will NEVER lie down with Dumbya. I find it very offensive that you suggest I'd do so.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Disgusting.
Charlie Brown
(2,797 posts)It grabbed headlines & presents trump as someone who's not afraid to take on the gop establishment.
Plus, the inevitable wolfpack response from the other candidates will paint him as anti-washington.
The way the battle lines are drawn within the gop, he'll probably gain from this. That's sad, but a perfect summation of rw in-fighting.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)Actually, it doesn't sound as bad when you listen to it.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Oh, right...
olddad56
(5,732 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)He's usually all over the Sunday talk shows.
Should be interesting, if he does.
underpants
(183,019 posts)But I would bet that for the last few hours he has has had steam coming out of ears STOMPING mad... and I wouldn't blame him
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Nor should he.
Trump is not worth it.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)He should have just pointed out McCain's stupidity in his thinking Sarah Palin was qualified to be VP.
Pretending every soldier is a hero is also stupid. Vietnam, Iraq, and even Afghanistan were very stupid wars. No basis to attack any of them. One might argue Afghanistan because of 911 but, the fact is that the Taliban offered to turn over Bin Ladin to third party, such as The Hague if Bush would provide them with some evidence, incriminating him. In other words it was a police matter.
Political correctness is also stupid. Nationalism and Militarism is gutting out this nation. Sixty cents out of a dollar in tax revenues go to the Military. The US Military also has the worst carbon foot print. So in time they will have largely contributed to the destabilization of the nation, when mass migration takes past due to GLOBAL WARMING.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)There should be some heroic act associated with it. And..
--imm
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)He keeps dropping little turdblossoms all along the GOP campaign trail. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point a GOP supporter threw his shoes at the guy. (Like was done to President Bush). Now I'm not advocating this be done but it might be interesting to see if Trumps hair-piece kept up with his reflex ducking. It'd garner more attention than any rump offered up by a Kardasian!
I was rather looking forward to Trump being Chief Clown of the GOP Clown Car. Having Jeb Bush, a supposedly serious contender for president, have to debate him would have been hilarious, and would have put the Republican candidates in the right perspective.
You reap what you sow. Bush and his kind enabled Trump. It's because Bush and his "respectable" predecessors (including Bush Sr.) allowed these kinds of people a voice in their party -- never called them out, allowed their insanity to fester -- that they're forced to disavow them now, forced to pretend that this isn't what their party has come to.
I'm disappointed that Trump may have killed his candidacy, and delayed the day of reckoning, by talking crap about McCain.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)in Vietnam without General Trump's leadership and inspiration.
olddots
(10,237 posts)people now aprove of John McCain again .
this is show bizz at the level of Us Magazine ....
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)However saying he was never tortured and other statements are not coddling McCain when we stick up for this.
MADem
(135,425 posts)There's plenty to criticize him about that is easily proven, without making shit up about him or trying to besmirch his military service.
Beacool
(30,254 posts)Goodness knows that I'm no fan of McCain and his politics, but he served the nation and went through five years in hell. Trump obtained five deferments, thanks to his wealthy dad, and never served.
Yet, he has the unmitigated gall to criticize McCain's service?????
Cowardly bastard, screw him!!!
lancer78
(1,495 posts)Is working brilliantly. Jeb will seem like a compassionate conservative compared to trump.