I wouldn't blame him, frankly.

I don't believe O'Mara knew Zimmerman and his wife were lying, but here's the current spin:

That doesn't necessarily mean O'Mara is still dialed in...it just means that he's attributing the lie to something other than his direct participation and involvement. He's put a fence around Zimmerman and his wife and has carefully stepped outside of that fence.

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discuss it in a secret code, and lie the court about it!

O'Mara should have kicked them to the curb instead of risking his own future by claiming he "forgot" that he'd been given the extra passport a month ago: http://www.scribd.com/doc/95593851/State-v-Zimmerman-Motion-to-revoke-bond


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He DEFINITELY is placing his own ass on the line. Yes, he was hired to defend Zimmerman. Yes, attorneys defend two kinds of people...those who are guilty and those who are innocent. That's our legal system. But Zimmerman is bad fucking news, and unless O'Mara has a "smoking gun" (no pun / irony intended) that's going to exonerate Zimmerman...BEYOND any "stand your ground" considerations...if Zimmerman goes down, he'll take O'Mara's career with him.

really difficult to kick a client to the curb, because it will have a prejudical effect on the client.

Judges are reticient to allow you out ... Even if the client is lying to you. Rather, the judge says, "Get your client under control."

From the 'coded' conversation, he and his wife weren't afraid of lying to the court, just dumb enough to think no one was listening. O'Mara will do all he can to paint Z as the victim.

If he'd been black, he'd be charged with a crime for hiding the funds now. He only had his bail revoked. He'll be safe in the jail, as a high profile case.

But once again, he returned from out of state. I've never known of anyone allowed to leave the state they're charged in. So he's being treated with kid gloves all the way.

What exactly is causing GZ to be handled this way? Why is he being given so much leeway?

Nothing I've read has provided a good reason. He isn't someone of any accomplishment, and instead is a repeat violent offender. If anyone would deserve to have the book thrown at him, its GZ.

His father appears to be a person of moderate influence, but not someone who could swing all these breaks.

I guess the only answer is that the judicial system is subtly rewarding Georgie Porgie for killing a black child. Nothing else really makes sense.

We only have his claims and the opinions of others to say what happened. We have logic, the main thing being he should not and did not indicate he 'felt threatened' while inside his vehicle. His actions were not that of a person afraid, until likely the last moment. He precipitated this.

We have a problem with unspoken racism in this country; but more than that, we have a problem with money. Minorities have been kept poor by the acts perpetrated upon them, and regardless of the race of the people in control, their crime now is being perceived to be poor and shiftless, as if their skin color is a marker for poverty.

How many blacks have been harassed while driving, who owned their cars but were treated as if they were car thieves; how many have been stopped in neighborhoods because others assume they are unable to buy property?

Would Z have felt entitled to go after a white man (who by default with some people) was a rightful visitor in that area? Or someone he thought was dressed in a way that in his mind showed affluence?

Z's statements and those who support him, make the assumption that a possible crime was in the offing. Why is it that many feel black males are more likely to be criminals, judging them on a stereotype?

I suggest it is a notion built of the fact that due to economic circumstance, and the difference in charging, there are more blacks in jail. The idea that blacks are more genetically or in some other way more likely to do crimes, is inaccurate and cannot be proven.

It is the economic situation, the lack of being able to get an adequate defense that leads to incarceration. Other races commit crimes, some appear to not be punished, especially if they have the money for a good defense.

I'm not sure that anyone is to blame for this for the most part, other than Z.

Gee, I read that news report, and all I could think was "I wonder how 'confused and fearful' Trayvon Martin was when he was ambling home with his candy and iced tea, chatting with his girlfriend on the phone, and realized he was being stalked by a creepy and purposeful adult male?"

I don't see how Zimmerman can "repair" his credibility. He's a liar, his wife is a liar, and he will lie to the court, to the federal government, to anyone, in order to gain advantage. I think he fucked himself, frankly! The phrase "Too clever by half" comes to mind! He thought he was smarter than the average bear, but he was no Yogi!

O'Mara has done more than that ...




So is a judge supposed to think zimmerman is any less fearful, distrusting and/or confused?

This statement pretty much shouts, "My client is a flight risk", and reduces his bond opportunities to near zero, either though out-right denial or a bond set at $1.5 million.

I have a distinct memory of two lawyers, before O'Mara, standing on the grass talking to reporters, saying they would no longer represent him, but refusing to say why.

Was that my imagination or has it just gone down the memory tubes?

Wonder if it was over some crap like this.

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The ones who said Trayvon rattled Zimmerman's brain around in his skull so much that he had to shoot him. Zimmerman dropped out of sight for a few days. The attorneys said "screw this" and walked away.

i get the impression this knob's entire life is led by fear, mistrust and confusion.

too bad he couldn't just stay home and keep it to himself.

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Zimmerman rots in jail... no visitation due to violation of bond issues.

He packed on quite a few pounds since being released on bail. Of course, now he's back on jail food and commissary junk food, so maybe he'll actually lose weight. Who knows. He looks like this whole experience is really messing with his head. My guess is that he made the mistake of listening to whoever told him he was going to walk on "stand your ground," and now reality is setting in.

He'll never get "visitation" ever again.

THANK you.

kid, to wait for a cruiser--but no, he's smarter than anyone else, he's gonna do what he's gonna do.

Well, what he's gonna do is sit his ass down in jail. In isolation. And it's all his fault that he's in the fix he's in.

"It's all his fault that he's in the fix he's in."

my faith in the outcome of the trial being just is nil. the more time he's locked up the better.

The more freedom Zimmerman has to act, the less credible a character he seems to be. O'Mara doesn't trust his client and wants to win the case.

I do know these facts...........
He helped the homeless
He mentored two children for years
He was awarded a citation for his contribution to the community by the mayor
He thwarted two robberies in his area after contacting police
He continued the community center after it ran out of money for two years
I know the facts are a nasty obstacle to condeming this man, One small note, Read what treyvon did to his bus driver one day. I dont know whether hes guilty or innocent but off the cuff comments like hes been a liar all his life just dont jive with the facts hes done some nice things for people.........

Oh good god, what a completely weak response. Listen, bud, Trayvon (spell it correctly please, out of respect) is dead and that lying ass Zimmerman is alive.

Those are the FACTS.

He assaulted a cop.
He assaulted his girlfriend.
He got fired from his job as a bouncer for roughing up a woman.

"Nice things for people." That's what George Zimmerman is all about.

And before you object that he was not convicted for any of those things, please be prepared to show me the conviction record for "what Trayvon did to his bus driver one day."

first hand. I' m the type of "progressive" that's sick of hearing how much people know when they don't know shit.

If you can find any post where I defend Zimmerman link to it until then keep quiet. What I do say is you don't KNOW anything you ASSUME alot and there is a huge difference. And one other thing I didn't call myself a "progressive" that was your word I just made use of your word in my reply. Last but not least you are "making up shit out of whole cloth" just like those you so righteously point your finger at, you weren't there that night and neither was I . All we know now is a young man is dead and the man who killed him is going to be tried in a court of law and hopefully justice will be served.

Also, check out the brother's many TV appearances laced with more lies than a Republican convention.


Although, the republican convention still may be the winner when it comes to the amount of lies they can tell, however, his brother may come in a close second.

He was charged with domestic violence. He got out of a charge of assault on a cop...

Stop trying to paint that sleazeball as a choir boy. Did you get those facts from his father, who admitted that he "misspoke" when he claimed that the voice screaming for help on the tape was George?

I don't really give a shit if Trayvon Martin pooped in his bus driver's lap. He was KID who was coming home from the store with candy and a drink, talking to his girlfriend, who was murdered by a vigilante asshole.

That child did not deserve to die. And this "old vet" thinks your defense of that nitwit Zimmerman is very curious, indeed.

And I'll take sources for your assertions too, thanks much.

See, here's how you do it: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-killer-had-brushes-prior-153033731.html

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/video-showing-teen-encouraging-others-to-fight-was-2365042.html

I said to myself, he's made a fool out of his own lawyer and the judge. You can bet the judge won't keep that egg on his face on June 29th..

Shellie will need her own lawyer if the plan is to throw her under the bus as the Zimmerman who will "come clean" as MOM represents George and what is best for him is not the same as what is best for her. She faces perjury charges.

The other Zimmermans better stay off the stand or plead the fifth. It's a real mess and the judge is not amused, and the prosecution can tear them apart if they get on the stand. I don't foresee any more ankle bracelet chafing problems for george.

The father is the one that fascinates me - did he know about the hidden money and the hidden valid passport or not? He put his house, or at least ten grand lien on it - to the bondsman and forfeited it. Is his son giving him the truth or is his son in the habit of lying to his father, who was a Virginia Magistrate? Is his father helping him push his false narrative about being struck to the ground by TM while on a path to(wards) his car because he knows the what his son told him or because he knows what his son told the cops? Is either story the truth? Seems unnlikely since the body was found between the townhomes and that ain't the path to GZ's truck. All the evidence in the form of scattered objects are on Trayvon;s route home and none of the objects are on GZ's path to his truck.

So is the dad a witting conspirator or an unwitting conspirator? I can't wait til the 29th, and also until GZ's statements and videotaped walk thru are released. GZ's proxies are liars. His story better be a lot different if he wants to claim self defense.

It seems clear that GZ chased TM down the dog walk path.

I believe there gonna nail Zimmerman's ass whether hes innocent or guilty, Other then strangers donating to his defense to a pay pal ac ct he is indigent. I mean the point of bail is to insure he shows back up, His other passport was EXPIRED. He told his wife to transfer any donations from the pay pal account to his moms which is changing daily. Other then that he was following all his conditions, Now hes in solidary confinement for not telling the judge he was receiving donations from strangers which was common knowledge at the bail hearing. Neither the prosecutors nor the defense brought this up hearing, BUT everybody knew about this website. Just my opinion.

He told the feds he lost the passport. They issued a new one. The old one (which would have been "voided" in the system) had all appearances of being "current" to the court--unless they checked with the feds. Which I'm betting they did not do--and which I'm betting they will do as a matter of routine in the future! His wife had the other passport in a safe deposit box and he told her to hang on to it in a coded conversation on the jail phone.

The guy is a liar. The court finally figured that out.

expired last month (after his bond hearing). He didn't turn in the new one until his idiot lawyer "remembered" he had it in his possession. He tried to snow the court and got caught.

Because phone transcripts strongly suggest that the 2nd passport was in the Zimmerman's safe deposit box and he specifically instructed his wife to leave it there.

So Mara's credibility is on the line here. He is trying to spin the conversation to the passport being in his own safe deposit box and the he forgot to turn it in with passport #1.

I guess what you mean is, "Other than having about $155,000 in cash and having spent an additional $30K to live for two months, he's indigent." Which is sort of like saying, "Other than being not indigent, he's indigent."

His "lost" passport was valid at the time of the bail hearing.

Don't know where you got the assertion that he told his wife to put the money in "his moms which is changing daily" (whatever that's supposed to mean). The motion to revoke bail quoted jailhouse calls where he and his wife discussed which of their accounts to stash the money in.

"Other than that he was following all his conditions" is a nonsense statement, since the issue is perjury at the bail hearing. At the time, he had no conditions.

And if you think about it, I'm confident you can figure out the difference between "everybody knew he was getting donations from strangers," and "by the time of the bail hearing he'd gotten $200,000 from strangers." Even granting you the unsupported assertion that everybody at the bail hearing knew about therealgeorgezimmerman.com, there's no denying that Shellie Zimmerman sat there in court and said they had no money.

In light of all of that, it's really quite splendid that you can maintain your belief that the poor man is being railroaded, guilty or not.

You are in the minority opinion here ... and just about everywhere outside of Gun Advocate/NRA/white supremacist sites.

But:

Does that even make sense to you ... Bill Gates would be indigent too; but for strangers purchasing MicroSoft products.

Indigency is unrelated to HOW one has access to money ... only that he/she HAS lawful access to funds; even if those funds are not his own, e.g., parentally provided or legal defense funds.



Yes ... And that is the reason the defendant is questioned regarding their ability to flee, i.e., financial resources and travel documents.

I'll have to read up on this, but I believe that passport he surrendered was the EXPIRED passport, not the valid one. That plus the money suggests contemplation.



Yes, he followed ALL of the conditions of his release ... Oh, except that one that would effectuate his not showing up for court.

And no ... he's not in solitary confinement for not telling the judge ... he's in solitary for KNOWINGLY representing false information to the judge ... information that is at the base of the bail determination.



True ... on the prosecutors part, that silence is called "a card to be played later"; on the defense side that silence is, "I hope you don't pick up on that." One is strains judicial ethics ... guess which one.

would let me pay off my student loans, repair and upgrade my house, take a major vacation, replace my 16 year old car... and still have enough left over to hang loose until I'm able to collect SS.

Thats a lot of meds.

maybe a big enlargement could read some of the labels.

There's no reason to think Zimmerman was compliant with his medication regime.

Which included a lot of cold medicines and the like. He's so full of pills he must rattle.

Having said that, HE pulled the trigger, not some adderall pill. He alone is responsible for his actions.

But mixing uppers and downers isn't a great idea. I wonder if one doctor really prescribed all those medications.

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Could it be that he was drinking? We won't know because not only did he refuse treatment from a doctor, he also had his wife come and remove his vehicle from the near scene of the killing. In the infamous bloody head photo taken by a resident, GZ is seen holding a cell phone up to his right ear. The witness who took the photo was also asked by GZ to "call his wife."

An important piece of the investigation was unknown to the police on the night of the killing -where did GZ park his car when he got out to follow the youth on foot, as he admitted to the operator? Was he stationary, or did he shadow the youth down the street in his vehicle, causing the teen to grow frightened and run away? Listen to the recorded call when GZ says "these a**holes always get away" and tell me if you hear, like others do, the sounds of a gearshift change as though he was making a U turn.

One thing is easy to figure out - it wasn't parked "by the cut through" at the start of the call. The timing just doesn't work out that way. TM takes around 34 seconds to pass the car and then another 30 seconds to arrive at a point where GZ says "shXt, he's running." If GZ was already parked by the cut thru - TM would have been out of sight by then.

Use google maps and the "path" tool and try it yourself if you don't believe me. At whatever rate it takes to pass the car's position, plot that same basic distance again and see how far away TM would be if he walked at around the same speed the whole time.

"You need to realize we're still talking about a 28-year-old who's being charged with a crime he does not believe he committed, and his whole life has been turned upside down," the lawyer said. "So I think that it all needs to be kept in context."

Zimmerman honestly believes that chasing an unarmed teenager through a neighborhood, then killing the scared young man, does not constitute a crime. And now he's whining about having to sit in jail after lying to the judge about his finances.

Poor guy.