Wonder how Hillary will explain it?

Saudis own her...no way she'll permit release of the report.

on and on with no point.

This is Bizarro World.

Trump rails against bad trade deals while the Democrats are set to nominate the wife of the man who signed NAFTA.

I'm preparing myself for President Trump.

Why did all the other Repubes divert attention away from the obvious perps? What have the Republicans been hiding? What's up with that level of treason against America?

While finally coming clean on Saudi Arabia's role in the attack would be a huge step in the right direction, it would still leave us beating around the Bush.

"What we did bothered me this much." "That much, huh?"

The Republicans put into America's leadership a clown who dishonored the military by skipping out on responsibility, and who then dishonored himself and the G.O.P. by ignoring up to 70 warnings and then allowing the 9/11 terror attack to happen, and then deliberately diverting attention away from the perps.

The attack gave the Bush regime everything it wanted. The Patriot Act, the wars, the profiteering, the huge run-up in commodity prices (which had been depressed since 1986), a second term, and God only knows what else.

They, at the very least, had an oar in this one and have to be held accountable. But oh, wishes were horses.

Not as I predict Trump will, to fan fires of anti-Muslim xenophobia, but to enable victims to persue their lawsuits and start a reexamination of our role in the Middle East and reevaluation of who our allies really are and how reliable they are.

Yet part of me is conflicted with hearing the truth that must be avoided. In public. So where does this all take us?

I'm still quite disturbed with a conversation I had this evening with someone who is fully up to speed with politics. He won't vote for Hillary. In fact he says he'll vote for Chump. A let him have my best angles of how wrong that is, and he came back with something I'm forgetting at the moment. But this is bugging the hell out of me. It's an absurd election.

aaand breathe...

He's serious too. Doesn't see that trump will be the first to sell out to the highest bidder. But he's a wild card - and they're willing to risk it for *something*. I have a feeling they will regret it - but buyers remorse can be a tricky thing. They tend to "double down" even when they know they're wrong.

I have a baaaad feeling about the GE if its hrc vs trump

No visible reaction by any of them, quite revealing, especially coming from Faux.

Peace

Because the GOP seems soooo ready for this.

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Of course, everybody knows that wealthy Saudis foot the bill for 9/11. The only people who don't know that we know are Ivy League educated establishmentarians. They are the dumbest people on Earth.

Yup. The fact that the Donald tells the truth here is probably a coincidence, since he doesn't seem to have much of a clue, other than what will whip people up. But if he gets a rep for that, it'll be harder for Hillary. Unfortunately, I think Hillary has the nomination now. And if it seems close in my state, I'll probably vote for the corrupt swine over the nut case. If not, Jill Stein will probably get my vote.

But I think a lot of the low info voters only know that "A-rabs with brown skin" are responsible. That's about to get more specific with trump.

Trump can crystallize it in short words and soundbites and make the traditionally ignorant and "USA USA America" crowd understand it was a giant fuck up.

Perfect timing for the report and GE for use by him.

— they were not the ones that knocked down the World Trade Center,”

Did he actually finish the sentence, or is this a Palinesque word salad?

It works with the low info voter that doesnt care too much

If a contender for the White House wants to be taken seriously.

Re everything else, or so he says

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Because that's where we are headed.

George W. Bush was personal friends with the saudi guys who maybe supported the 9/11-terrorists.

So, how will the GOP handle this connection between terrorism and a republican President?

Or are they OK as long as we add the obligatory "broken clock" analogy?

Whatever Donald happens to be 'right' about is a coincidence that fits with his racist, xenophobic campaign strategy. And that, of course, makes him not 'right' at all. Bigots are never right even when their bigotry motivates them do so or say something we may agree with.

There's nothing wrong with giving someone credit for being right, especially really really right.

on those occasions that he is 'really really right'.

And I don't anticipate 'giving it a rest' when it comes to the Donald any time soon.

Is right twice a day.

What was really going on is the Republicans and their allies the Saudis were trying to toss a wrench into the US economy in an election year.

But they didn't get away with it and the proof is in the headlines right now. The short version is this:

* The Saudis were (among other objectives) trying to pressure Russia out of Syria by overproducing oil, making Russian oil unprofitable.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Did-The-Saudis-And-The-US-Collude-In-Dropping-Oil-Prices.html

* The Russians declared victory and made preparations to pull out.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/15/world/russia-syria-withdrawal/

* As soon as they did, the Saudis agreed to an emergency OPEC meeting, to discuss a production freeze, so they can go back to making money.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-01/saudi-arabia-will-only-freeze-oil-production-if-iran-joins-plan

* In the meantime, Republican election success depends directly upon oil prices, so whatever they're saying publicly, privately they're rooting for the Saudis to freeze production.

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/03/16/oil-prices-depress-texas-campaign-donations/

* Republicans also depend upon economic instability to get close enough to steal it, and raising fuel prices is all they need.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/what-would-another-recession-mean-2016

* Recall that this is exactly the game they played in 2000 to let GW Bush get close enough to steal it.

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/sep/23/news/mn-25321

* So the moment the Saudis opened the door to an emergency meeting, President Obama started to consider declassifying reports that would surely implicate the Saudis and the Republican Party in the 9/11 attacks. At the same time, a bill floated which would allow the families of 9.11 victims to sue the Saudis.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/11/obama-under-pressure-to-declassify-the-9-11-report-s-secret-28-pages.html
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/276680-clinton-sanders-back-bill-allowing-9-11-victims-to-sue-saudis

* The Saudis didn't like that at all, and quickly resorted to extortion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543702/Saudi-Arabia-threatens-pull-750-billion-U-S-assets-Congress-passes-bill-making-government-liable-9-11-related-lawsuits.html

Then the President dropped in on the Saudis, paying them a nice, cordial-like visit. There was a discussion, about what we do not know, and all of a sudden things changed. Now:

* The Obama Adminsitration wants to squelch the right of families to sue the Saudis.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bipartisanship-breaks-block-911-bill

* The Russians are moving around artillery in Syria, rather than pulling it out.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-moves-artillery-units-syria/

* And the Saudis won't freeze oil production.

http://www.businessinsider.com/no-deal-iran-sits-out-the-biggest-oil-meeting-in-decades-2016-4

Here's what I think we can conclude from all of this. The Republicans and their allies the Saudis were up to their usual election-year trick of destabilizing the US economy, in order to help the Republicans. President Obama in turn began a double counterpunch, legislatively and through executive action, threatening to reveal the Saudi (and therefore Republican) role in the 9/11 attacks.

The Saudis freaked the f&^% out about it, went straight to the armageddon threats, and quietly rolled over on halting oil production. This pissed the Russians off and now they're not leaving Syria, but hell with them right now, say both the Saudis and the Americans.

The deal, obviously, is that the Obama Administration will keep up the usual 9/11 charade for another six months, in return for which the Saudis will continue to overproduce oil for another six months.

In the United States, the economy will continue to improve, unemployment will continue to drop, and the Republicans are going to get totally stomped, losing the White House, the Supreme Court, and probably Congress as well.

All because the Republicans and the Saudis have colluded to cover up whatever criminal role they both had in the September 11 attacks. We know this for certain, logically, because the cover-up itself was felonious and the cover-up always conceals a larger crime.

In other words, for the first time, the United States has begun to use the 9/11 attacks against the beneficiaries of the attacks, and it scared the ever-lovin' crap out of Saudi Arabia, which tells us a lot about their role in it.

It might just destroy the Republican Party forever.

You know there's many around here insinuating that.

Thanks for the big post tho. Lots of things to digest there.

President Obama is and has been a total friggin' genius compared to the Republicans, able to outmaneuver them at every turn, even when they resorted to their foolish "no to everything" defense in Congress. And this time, he's perfectly focused on using the power of the White House to increase Democratic gains across the board. So his effectiveness is increasing in this election year in which he does not have to run himself.

It's yet another example of his uncanny ability to turn a perceived disadvantage into an asset--and he is already the best I have ever seen at it.

At the same time the Dems have qualified and competent candidates who are polling double-digits ahead of whichever goon wins the Republican clown-fight, and the overwhelming Democratic lead appears to be filtering through the Senate and even the gerrymandered House.

It could be a big, big year for us. Really big.

And as time goes on, we'll find he's been 100% more awesome than he is right now.

Why go through all the round about hiding of facts? Why not just open up the classified pages and start investigating the Republican connection? Wouldn't that destroy the party more effectively than manipulating the Saudi's? Yes, there would be an issue with oil prices but it would be a hell of a legacy for Obama. It seems that your conjecture is much more complicated than being open with Americans and letting the truth come out. It would still destroy the Republican party. Unless the Republican party isn't the only party involved???

I don't understand why we are selling our best military equipment to Saudi Arabia either. It seems like that region could become unstable quickly if the dictatorship starts having challengers. The very equipment we are selling could be used against us.

The day President Obama took office he had a choice to make: throw down the gauntlet and hunt them all down, or play along with it and become a part of the conspiracy.

Once that choice was made, it determined everything else.

To many ME nations..Israel, Turkey, Qatar, so Saudi Arabia has no corner on that market. It's out of control already.

We've known this for a long time. Next he'll tell us the explosive news that water is, in fact, wet.

Better late than never. It's a lot more than Hillary and especially Obama are doing. This needs to come out to the public. If it came down to it, Trump would blame Bush a lot faster than any other Republican for that matter.

Trump says stuff that establishment candidates like Hillary would never say.

If Obama would only confront the Saudi's about 911 and funding of ISIS. And Turkey in their funding of ISIS. I suppose that will never happen as we were complicit/complacent as they did the dirty work.

I, for one, would like to know why the Slurpee dispenser on the far right never works.

he knows all about 7-11, he was there, at ground zero. Oh thank heaven, for Trump at 7-11.

And, Congress hates him. They will be miserable. Fewer negatives here.

This is what the 'cult' ignores.

"Never Forget The Tragic Events of 7/11..."