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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:43 AM Jun 2012

Exclusive: Arab states arm rebels as UN talks of Syrian civil war

Source: Independent



Syrian rebels are being armed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, The Independent has learnt, in a development that threatens to inflame a regional power struggle provoked by the 15-month-old uprising against the Assad regime.

Rebel fighters from the Free Syrian Army (FSA) have received weapons from the two Gulf countries, which were transported into Syria via Turkey with the implicit support of the country's intelligence agency, MIT, according to a Western diplomat in Ankara. Opposition fighters in Syria have hitherto been handicapped by a reliance on an old and inadequate arsenal, while the regime in Damascus has been able to rely on a supply of arms from Russia and Iran. Moscow is arming Syria with attack helicopters, Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, claimed yesterday. "We are concerned by the latest information we have that there are attack helicopters on the way from Russia to Syria, which will escalate the conflict quite dramatically," she told a conference in Washington.

Since the start of the uprising, anti-regime activists have only smuggled small quantities of weapons, purchased on the black market, from Hatay in southern Turkey into Syria's Idlib province.

However, three weeks ago, members of the loose assortment of rebel groups that comprises the FSA said they had received multiple shipments of arms including Kalashnikov assault rifles, BKC machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and anti-tank weaponry from Gulf countries and that Turkey was assisting in the delivery of the weapons.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/exclusive-arab-states-arm-rebels-as-un-talks-of-syrian-civil-war-7845026.html

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Prometheus Bound

(3,489 posts)
1. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey VS Iran and Russia
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 08:22 AM
Jun 2012

And who knows what other countries are involved!

What an ugly mess.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
2. This does not bode well. That FUCKING George W. Bush.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 09:15 AM
Jun 2012

That fucking Dick Cheney. They are the ones who INTENTIONALLY destabilized the mideast by going into Iraq. It was all part of PNAC. Ever since Halliburton moved to Qatar, I've known there was going to be no good come of this mess.

Now Russia and Iran are in bed together supplying arms to Syrian establishment, while Saudi Arabia and Qatar via Turkey are now supplying the rebels via the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria.

Holy shit.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. KSA and GCC have been arming FSA for months. Syria already has five squadrons of attack helicopters.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 09:16 AM
Jun 2012

How is this supposed to escalate the conflict quite dramatically?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
4. I'm hoping news like this stops the simplistic assumptions about this conflict
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 09:40 AM
Jun 2012

Primarily that this is just a group of freedom fighters bravely working to overthrow a hated tyrant. Or that there are no other players working behind the scenes manipulating the situation. Or that this isn't a dangerous sectarian religious civil war with critical regional importance where simply killing Assad will resolve the violence....

Maybe the UN actually calling it a civil war or the arrival of the Russian helicopters or the not-so-secret news that the Sunni KSA and Qatar are arming the "rebels" against the Shia Alawite Assad is finally penetrating the MSM - well maybe it means there can be some real conversations about the jeopardy and some possible solutions.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Unfortunately, this is being branded as an "us vs them" Cold War thing. It's neither.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jun 2012

The Saudis aren't our friends, and have done America and its neighbors more harm than a dozen Syrias and Irans put together. What they do have is a huge pile of money to buy western western public opinion. And, bought it is. Particularly Murdoch and now CNN.

 

may3rd

(593 posts)
6. The third world Cold War plays out in Syria
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jun 2012

Russia backs Assad because they don't want any more Beslan massacres brewing up in their tinderbox neighboring republics while Saudi Arabia royals fear a 'shia curtain from Iran to Lebanon yet have no problems teaching their peaceful ways in far flung schools from Pakistan to the pacific rim.





He who supples the weapons has an agenda
 

may3rd

(593 posts)
10. Here is another one worth repeating
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jun 2012

one side is supplied, the other is matched in measured response. It escalates

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You could say this fight is beginning to look like ;
Southeast Asia Deja-Vu


maybe not
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
7. Have you seen this article? Its sinking fast in GD... Towards a new Arab Cultural Revolution
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:34 PM
Jun 2012

But its a really excellent piece and deserves wider exposure.


Towards a new Arab cultural revolution
By Alastair Crooke

The "Awakening" is taking a turn, very different to the excitement and promise with which it was hailed at the outset. Sired from an initial, broad popular impulse, it is becoming increasingly understood, and feared, as a nascent counter-revolutionary "cultural revolution" - a re-culturation of the region in the direction of a prescriptive canon that is emptying out those early high expectations, and which makes a mockery of the West's continuing characterization of it as somehow a project of reform and democracy.

Instead of yielding hope, its subsequent metamorphosis now gives rise to a mood of uncertainty and desperation - particularly among what are increasingly termed "'the minorities" - the non-Sunnis, in other words. This chill of apprehension takes its grip from certain Gulf States' fervor for the restitution of a Sunni regional primacy - even, perhaps, of hegemony - to be attained through fanning rising Sunni militancy and Salafist acculturation.

At least seven Middle Eastern states are now beset by bitter, and increasingly violent, power struggles; states such as Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Bahrain and Yemen are dismantling. Western states no longer trouble to conceal their aim of regime change in Syria, following Libya and the "non-regime-change" change in Yemen.

The region already exists in a state of low intensity war: Saudi Arabia and Qatar, bolstered by Turkey and the West, seem ready to stop at nothing to violently overthrow a fellow Arab head of state, President Bashar al-Assad - and to do whatever they can to hurt Iran. Iranians increasingly interpret Saudi Arabia's mood as a hungering for war; and Gulf statements do often have that edge of hysteria and aggression: a recent editorial in the Saudi-owned al-Hayat stated: "The climate in the GCC indicates that matters are heading towards a GCC-Iranian-Russian confrontation on Syrian soil, similar to what took place in Afghanistan during the Cold War. To be sure, the decision has been taken to overthrow the Syrian regime, seeing as it is vital to the regional influence and hegemony of the Islamic Republic of Iran."


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NF13Ak03.html

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. "Revolution from above" to prevent one from below.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jun 2012

The Shah tried it, as did the Czar, quite unsuccessfully, and as history showed, with widely fatal consequences for millions. That's the Saudi plan.

The western agenda seems to be even less focused and unthought-out. Our increasing involvement stirs up old behaviors and antagonisms that were supposed to be buried with the Soviet Union. But, all we have managed to do is spur the reconstitution of a more sophisticated and agile Russian empire.

We are at a crossroads, and I'm afraid that Obama, like Johnson, may be headed down into the darkness of another unwinnable war fought for a set of outmoded ideals for "friends" who are actually our worst enemies.

 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
11. "if ya feed a terrrist, or fund a terrrist, yer a terrrist"--Bush Doctrine
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jun 2012

In their infinite wisdom, the Obama Doctrine has appended that to include the All-American Standard Clause: "Unless they're on our side, then it's ok."

And after all, the Wahhabist dictators in Saudi Arabia and Qatar are in the absolute best position to teach budding rulers about "freedom" and whatever other nonsense the interventionists are peddling these days. Actually, what they are in prime position to geniunely demonstrate is how to let predatory elite capitalism run free, which is why the US/NATO are such big fans.

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