Sanders awarded 49 more Washington state delegates
Source: The Hill
Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders was awarded 49 more delegates in Washington state, according to district-level breakdown of the states primary results done by the Associated Press.
The Vermont senator won the March 26 primary in a landslide, taking 25 of the 34 delegates awarded on election day.
The rest of the states 101 delegates are awarded according to results from congressional districts, which had not been determined until Saturday. Front-runner Hillary Clinton picked up 18 of the remaining district-level delgates, to go with the nine delegates she won on election day.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/279111-sanders-awarded-49-washington-state-delegates
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)she lost delegates today. yeah they'll ignore that
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It's a disgrace. I can tell you're a good person. What a sad conundrum.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)she will.
Our system of politics has greatly deteriorated over the decades, as so many politicians have lost that ability.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... and Hillary Clinton is/was no Ted Kennedy.
"Crossing the aisle" is NOT where this country is now in politics. Yes, in the old days, before the DLC took over the Democratic Party, Republicans and Democrats could work together across the aisle. I remember election seasons would come and go and after the election, everyone would bury the hatchets and go back to work on the People's business. Not Big Business's business, as it has become over time since 1992.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)if more politicians knew how to do that.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She has a strong track record in this area. She spent a lot of time on that side of the aisle:
* Sanders has supported gay rights for over 40 years. Hillary and Republicans have not.
* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Hillary & The Republicans do not.
* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Hillary and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Hillary and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Hillary and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Hillary and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.
* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Hillary and The Republicans did not.
* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Hillary and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Hillary and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Hillary and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Hillary and The Republicans do not.
* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Hillary and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Hillary and the Republicans did not.
* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Hillary and The Republicans did not.
* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Hillary and the Republicans do not.
* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Hillary and the Republican do not.
*Sanders wants to protect Social Security by Raising-the-Cap. Hillary and the Republicans do not because the top 1% will have to pay their fair share.
*Sanders wants to diffuse the Middle East by NOT sending more weapons, or "projecting" more US Military Power into the area. Hillary and the Republicans do not.
Spending too damn much time on the other side of the aisle is NOT a good thing for our Party or our democracy.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)"crossing the aisle" and working with Republicans?
There are many times I wish she had stayed on OUR side of the Aisle, the IWR woas not the least of these many times.
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)Having more votes doesn't mean a candidate is better for the country. It just means a lot more people have been taken in by lies.
Sanders polls better against Trump than Hillary. People like you are going to hand him a victory in November, because Repukes are going to rise out of their graves to vote against her.
Even if by some chance she wins, too many of her positions are Republican-lite. Please refer to her positions on bvar22's post, instead of willfully ignoring them to make a snide remark.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)This is over.
Trump is out there, and he's the one we should be tearing apart. Not Hillary and Bernie.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Votes maybe rigged, for a person who flip flops on a whim
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)He was against Federal marriage equality, now he's for it.
He was against the crime bill, but then he voted for it.
Etc.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)Typical mean girl response.
Who cares about who is right. Who cares if the nerdy one with thick glasses will punish the bullies in the school and make it fair for everyone if elected school student president, you're going with the popular rich one that won't change a thing about the pecking order, but may glance your way one day and you can get to shout out "I voted for you!" in starry eyed adoration.
I hope its worth it for you.
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Itp: I know I just got slammed with reason so my counterpoint is SHES WINNING11!!!
XD
Funniest thing I've read all day right here.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,034 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I see the come back is she has more votes nanny nanny nanny....the sad part is the way they count the "more votes" thing. Making 'more votes' pointless.
Very well played.
Reaching across the aisle.
What Bernie Sanders Can Bring to Liberty University
When the presidential hopeful visits Liberty University, hell expose students to a party otherwise cloaked by the many Republican presidential candidates that have come before himcan his visit influence a conservative audience?
Its not unusual for Liberty University to host politicians. In the spring of this year, it gained national attention when Ted Cruz announced his presidential bid on campus. Liberty has hosted speakers such as Donald Trump, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, and Sean Hannity. But when Liberty University announced its convocation speakers for the fall of 2015, including Scott Walker and Ben Carson, it included an unexpected name: Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.
As a student at Liberty University, I have learned from my professors how to apply my conservative theology to all areas of my life. And thats why Im drawn to support Bernie Sanderss presidential campaign.
Jerry Falwell, the founder of the university, strongly believed that teaching students how to integrate their Christian worldview into all sectors of their lives, especially politics, is an essential part of providing a Christian education. I agree with the Liberty University Doctrinal Statement, which says that the Bible is true revelation that is inspired by God to create a standard of truth, there is one God who exists eternally in three persons, and Jesus Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for humanitys sin. However, I find myself in the minority on campus politically.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-bernie-sanders-can-bring-to-liberty-university/404926/
forest444
(5,902 posts)And always at the worst possible moments.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)👍
ReRe
(10,597 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)For you being cordial to those who are less than
I thought it was Joe Cool with a cigar in his mouth.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It is super wads of bubble gum..in the hopes to float away
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You're always thoughtful and like I said most definitely a good person. Agree to disagree.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)What can you offer? Helping them to destroy you?
BTW: Things have deteriorated since Newt came out with his "word list" and got a bunch of unqualified people elected. Those idiots rose in the ranks of the party over time until they attained leadership positions.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)to a part of the new deal called the Export-Import Bank -- which the tea party wants to abolish in favor of private banks only.
So if Bernie can do it, why not Hillary?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)in the 70s because he wanted his own name on it not that of Nixon or Carter.
And there was never a time that republicans were not lying asshats. People just remember the post war years fondly because FDR had beaten the repigs down so low it took them a couple decades to get back to Reagan normal.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)0... sounds like an ogre, very unlike lovable Uncle Ted. It's odd, as he was so loved by his family, his constituents, by friends, and by US citizens at large.
And there WAS a period of time when Republicans WERE civil. Otherwise, why did Nixon resign? Why was there a Church Committee? Why did John Kerry get away with throwing his medals over the White House fence, protesting the VietNam War?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)mdbl
(4,976 posts)I am tired of working across the isle. It's screwed us for over 30 years now.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Its gets harder and harder for her to fake it and prevent people from seeing through the vernier.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But Hillary's fast move to court the Bush machine must bother you some what?
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)but it's too high for Trump.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with her appealing to them on that basis. Do you want a looney-tune's finger on the nuclear button, or not?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But Hillary is going after Jeb's "Donors" and other Republican operatives. That's a big difference.
IMHO the reason not to vote for Trump is self-evident.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and inviting Bushies in for her personal gain is just the latest abuse of Democratic voters.
TBF
(32,153 posts)so the 2 are not in the same ballpark. Although you'd never know it from what the mainstream media says.
FarPoint
(12,486 posts)Nickels and dimes that still will not change the outcome... Sanders can not and will never, ever win. He is yesterday's news.
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ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)At least $250k per appearance. Otherwise it is simply not worth it.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)wouldn't be so easy to dismiss.
FarPoint
(12,486 posts)I weighted the options... Elected to identify my support realizing prejudice may follow... Just being too honest. I'm okay with it...
Coventina
(27,224 posts)Some people really need to take a breather from this campaign.
FarPoint
(12,486 posts)These breadcrumbs of delegates for a candidate who has now way of winning... Just is not newsworthy beyond a Sanders Blog. National MSM, absolutely irrelevant and trife.
Coventina
(27,224 posts)Whether a particular story fits into the narrative you want to hear is irrelevant.
FarPoint
(12,486 posts)Everyone knows Sanders essentially lost.. Can not gain enough votes or delegates... Obviously the media knows that he is out of the race dispite Sanders denial factor. He is no longer a game player.
Coventina
(27,224 posts)Please try to rise above your "my team is ahead at the top of the ninth inning" mindset.
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)Sanders' intention at this point is to use the strength of the delegates he's won, to influence the Dem Party platform. You know, to keep your candidate from leaning as far right as she and DWS would prefer. He was just on Rachel Maddow the other night saying exactly that.
Seriously, keep up with what's going on. Bernie's campaign has never been about just him. It's always been about making the Democratic party represent progressive values again.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)"Bernie's campaign has never been about just him. It's always been about making the Democratic party represent progressive values again."
That's Why So Many Love Bernie. #UsNotMe!!
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And has never been that way with her
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)... but there's a Primary still going on. The Primary isn't over till it's over. The time of throwing in the towel prematurely is in the past, FarPoint. Primary first > then Convention, not Primary first > then concession speech. Relax, will ya?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... succinctly is because you know something that the rest of us don't know. That the deck was stacked before the election even begun? It doesn't matter if the M$M ignores the development. Because the Political Revolution has not been and will not be televised. But it is occurring, nonetheless. Bernie Sanders is campaigning circles around HRC AND DHT.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)ironically, that is hurting the media more than it's hurting him.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)they should ignore it. It's sad to see Sanders declare a win before we even got to vote. I just got my ballot yesterday.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Woo Hoo Cool
Faux pas
(14,714 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)has had those extra delegates factored into the count since the end of March. This is old news. Some new news? Clinton hit her Indiana target when an additional delegate was awarded to her this week, and it didn't cost her $2,000,000. Sanders missed his Guam target today, but only by a half delegate. Of course, he also loses any claim of "momentum".
This is based on Nate's original targets, not the miracle count which is the only path left open to Sanders.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-really-hard-to-get-bernie-sanders-988-more-delegates/
stopbush
(24,399 posts)is that there are now not enough delegates left for Sanders to hit 2383.
Thank you, Tim Robbins!!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)If Hillary wins the General, it won't be because a majority WANT her to win or want her as president.
Just like her 1st Lady and SoS gigs, which were handed to her, her "achievements" are not earned. It's all riding in on someone's coattails, consolation prizes after losing, or a Hail Mary because she's not quite as awful as the alternative.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)if only you had accomplished half as much...
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Oh please!
I accomplished much of what I wanted in my little career, than you very much.
I'm not bitter at all.
I'm just pointing out that a vote against Trump is NOT a vote for Hillary.... unless you actually WANT Hillary.
Just like not voting for Hillary is not not a vote FOR Trump.... unless of course you actually push the Trump button.
You have to be more than just against Trump to be FOR Hillary.
Of course every election is voting for the BEST candidate, not the perfect one.
But things are so rigged....even in the primaries... that I truly do not think my vote counts for anything anymore. That it should even come down to the last primary's loser vs reality show hosts tells me it's just ridiculous. I'm not bitter; I'm amazed. Especially when there's actually a choice superior to both of the PR candidates.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)among human beings jealousy ranks distinctly as a weakness; a trademark of small minds; a property of all small minds, yet a property which even the smallest is ashamed of; and when accused of its possession will lyingly deny it and resent the accusation as an insult.
- Letters from the Earth
muriel_volestrangler
(101,415 posts)and Trump with 10.7 million
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R
Hillary's 12.6 million is a majority of votes cast in the Democratic primaries.
How do you think a politician 'earns' office, if not by getting more votes than any opponent?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Gore won the majority of votes, but the White House was awarded to George W. Bush.
The overall number of votes is not the measure. The measure is the number of delegates.
Besides, it's Bernie who can win most easily against Trump, not Hillary.
annavictorious
(934 posts)and the ridiculous Naderites for Bush's win.
I remember that election. Political savants like Sarandon insisted that Gore was only the "lesser of two evils" and that people of conscience would never vote for the future Nobel Peace Prize winning environmental activist.
Thanks, Susan. You can sit down now.
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pnwmom
(109,025 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... had M$M give him as much time as it gave DHT. Fact, no?
The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home...
annavictorious
(934 posts)could make the same claim, not just Sanders.
I was surprised, though, when Sanders meeting with the Pope didn't get the wall-to-wall coverage that it deserved.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... you're right. That stuck out like a sore thumb, didn't it? The non-coverage of Bernie going to the Vatican. Can you imagine had Trump gone to the Vatican?
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)If the MSM would have given Bernie even half as much time as it gave Trump, Bernie would have gotten even less support than he has. I seriously doubt the American public would stand for Bernie after the total costs of his plans, the tax levels they would have required, the almost certainty none of them would have ever gotten through Congress, the popular and progressive bills Bernie voted "nay" on (like the Brady Bill and the Amber Alert Bill) because they weren't exactly to his liking, and the Soviet, Nicaraguan and Cuban government officials Bernie met when he went to those places while mayor.
ReRe
(10,597 posts).... we can't forgive him for meeting somebody, now can we? How many years ago was that? And what was his MO while participating in those meetings?
But we must forget the two years since Hillary's resigning SOS position. Like a prophet wondering around in a desert, we're not allowed to know about that, huh? Top secret and all that. Where's the speeches? And how much was she paid for each of them? Speeches, dates, places and amounts will be fine.
If Bernie had half of the time the M$M gave to DHT, the tables would have been turned and you know it. Even with all that has been against him (no M$M, fixed delegates before the Primary even started, closed Primaries, voting fraud), he's still gaining states.
Too early for foregone conclusions, jmowreader. Primary isn't over yet.
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)Hillary's less than 200 delegates from having it locked up. California ALONE will seal the deal, and after the little display you guys threw yesterday I'd not be surprised to see Bernie's few superdelegates switch to Hillary.
You know what would be fine? Bernie's withdrawal from the race.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... the status quo has got to go, jmowreader. The American People are fed up with the status quo establishment. And it's the overheated, hateful, childish animosity which will make it REAL HARD to unite in the end.
And thanks for that laugh about Bernie throwing in the towel. Ain't gonna happen. He's not like Al Gore or John Kerry. One thing Bernie isn't is a quitter. Nope, status quo went out the door.
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... I tripled it and sent it right back.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... what was that you was saying about some kind of "little display" yesterday? I haven't the foggiest idea what that was. Fill me in please.
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)&maxh=400&maxw=667
Helpful hint for today: calling your opponent "Killary" and demanding she be deported is not the way to win the hearts and minds of the superdelegates. How is he going to be able to handle Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un if he can't handle his own supporters?
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... give them those signs or tell them what to say on them.
Do you think his supporters have to pass everything through some kind of "minder" before they can use his name? Do all signs in the protest have to pass the "minder" as well? It's all about control with you guys, isn't it? Control. Say that word over and over a few times. Control.
That's it?
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)Own up to it.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... Since you like to be controlled and all and she likes to do the controlling, you might be right. But no I wouldn't think that automatically. You're the one that needs to "own it." Remember, you brought it up in the first place, saying Bernie wasn't "in control" of his supporters. Bernie, I guarantee you, is too damn busy to be watching the every move of his supporters all over this country.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)Unlike some other ethnic voting blocs. She won't steal California.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)..tell YOU what to say and when you can say it?
Are YOU "handled" by Hillary (brought to heel)?
Are you new to this country?
Do you know anything about democracy and constitution?
Are YOU responsible for what Hillary supporters say?
jmowreader
(50,601 posts)I know one of Bernie's biggest expenses is to Revolution Messaging. I've seen their help-wanted ads, okay? There is nothing "grass roots" about these protests, online attacks, and rallies. They are very well coordinated - so well-coordinated they MUST be controlled by a central authority.
Bernie could tone down this crap if he wanted to...simply go to his supporters and tell them, "I know you are enthusiastic about Bernie 2016's people-powered revolution and that's great. I encourage you to be vocal and express your love of Bernie and our campaign - but calling our opponent 'Killary' is turning people away from us, so please stop doing it."
bvar22
(39,909 posts)You couldn't be more wrong.
The Movement will continue with or without Bernie.
It has never been about him or his campaign.
It is about US....the 99% who have been overlooked by the "recovery" and the growing wealth disparity.
BTW: I never called Hillary "Killery", and with the exception on one person in the Latino protest, I haven't heard that term used, so you have taken a single example, and broad brushed an entire Movement (and me personally).
Neither Bernie, nor myself, nor YOU have the power to "control" that person.
They are within their rights guaranteed by our Constitution.
Maybe if YOU were from Honduras and had your family members murdered by a coup backed by SoS Clinton, you might understand the outrage, and the use of "Killery" by Latinos.
Study up on Hillary and Honduras, and get back to me when you have some idea of what you are talking about.
Again, are you from the USA, or any country with a democratic government and Bill of Rights?
I shudder when I hear you speak of being "controlled by a central authority".
That is antithetical to everything this democracy is supposed to be about.
However, I do understand how certain types are attracted to this "central authority control" paradigm.
It has been tried in the past.
It didn't work out well.
... let's get this out of the way first: I don't give a hoot what you think of me personally.
And provide a link for that "want ad" that Bernie personally placed for "Revolution Messaging", whatever that means.
And forward that suggestion for an announcement by Bernie DIRECTLY to Bernie.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)Think what you want for the next 8 years.
annavictorious
(934 posts)after she worked hard to get her husband elected.
I live in NY and Clinton represented me as senator. Nobody handed her anything. She earned that office, twice. My husband is FDNY 9-11 survivor. Hillary earned an endorsement from the UFA the second time she ran based on her work to get first responders medical monitoring, treatment, and reduced cost medication. My husband is still alive because of Senator Clinton's efforts.
And you're probably right about SOS because people always have that cabinet post handed to them, kinda like the "give ambassadorships to obscure countries to major donors" tradition.
Or maybe it had something to do with the 16,000,000 votes she got during the 2008 primary.
Or her expertise.
Or her intelligence.
But she's just a girl who has ridden some man's coattails to the top, says the bitter knitter.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)zero ground workers were told a breathing mask was optional because the air was safe. Anyone with an I! over 100 new the air was hazardous.
And then you fine Senator supported a war with the wrong nation that had nothing to do with 911.
Your fine Senator did have the position handed to her. Part of her campaign was funded as payment for Bill Clinton pardoning Marc Rich, a fugitive who evaded paying over $65 million in taxes and never served a day in jail.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Bottom line is neither of them will reach the magic # on pledged delegates alone.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)beastie boy
(9,581 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)beastie boy
(9,581 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)It really looks like you don't.
beastie boy
(9,581 posts)Did I get it right? Yes?
But for some reason, I stubbornly cling to the way things are, not the way you wish them to be...
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Is it possible for them to be convinced to change their mind?
beastie boy
(9,581 posts)Is it likely for them to be convinced to change their mind?
In the unlikely event they do, you can count them in Bernie's column. But as long as they are on record as Hillary's supporters, you better count them as such. No hypotheticals please.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)You have to count the supers as well.
Sanders may not want to count the supers right now but the DNC will at the convention.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The supers don't get counted until the convention. Any number of things can happen by July.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)All of the delegates vote at the same time on the first ballot at the convention.
It's a Sanders' fantasy that the super delegates committed to Hillary will switch their alligiance to a candidate who is losing by millions of votes and hundreds of delegates. Team Sanders must convince 400 or so of Hillary's super delegates to switch before the convention. Chance of that happening is zero.
Sad that so many Sanders supporters buy into that fantasy.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)stopbush
(24,399 posts)He's the jerk, not me.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The first vote is the first vote and superdelegates do count. The meme that they don't was always just feel good bullshit.
Unless there is a some sort of very unlikely event, they will have the first vote and Clinton will have over 2383 delegates, pledged and super. The most likely scenario that would make that not happen is Sanders stepping aside at the last minute, like Clinton did 8 years ago.
reACTIONary
(5,797 posts).... Sanders should bow out now, and start working to support the Democratic nominee : Hillery Rodham Clinton .
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Quit acting like an asshole.
reACTIONary
(5,797 posts)..... for your concern, but I'm not worried about anything. This is a discussion board, so when one person makes an observation or express an opinion others get to express theirs. That's sort of what a discussion is all about.
I don't see anything improper in my post, but if you do, rather than call me names, alert on the post and let the jury decide.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Like in Indiana...than Silvers projected
annavictorious
(934 posts)If 2 times out of 45 is "always" to you, no wonder you think Sanders can win.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Or your thinking the queen was crowned from the outset
Think with your head..not your emotion
Free your mind
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Actually, a lot of people are working very hard for Hillary
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Doesn't endear...
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)I've been volunteering for Dems since 1984, and am well aware of this goal. Being hostile toward potential voters is not what a candidate wants you to do. That's a good way to drive them to the opponent, or make them stay home on Election Day.
BTW, a lot of people preferred Obama over Hillary in 2008. Were they part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" too, just because they were against her? LOL.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Any political strategist knows that.
Perhaps that's why Bernie is losing so badly: he's trying to please everyone all the time when that is totally impossible to do.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Chico Man
(3,001 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I use my own brain.
Your accusation is not your own original thinking. It is a meme sold to anyone who will bite.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Some hateful words there.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Not hateful at all..
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)And a common opinion shared by all members of the vast right wing conspiracy.
They also hate that she is a woman. Do you share that opinion as well, or do you draw the line at name calling and conjecture?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)This is the second time now that you have done it. You need to edit your Control/C, Control/P work..
I do not hate her.
I do not care about any real or assumed RW Conspiracy. (The Vince Foster episode was pure garbage and I knew it at the time.)
I do not care that she is a woman. I would LOVE to see a woman president. But NOT THIS ONE.
You 'sound' like someone very, very young who has no idea of history, politics or much else. But I could be wrong--about your age, that is.
My distaste for Clinton comes from her positions, her past behavior-- recent past, middle distance and far distance-- her connection to all that destroys the quality of human life for the benefit of a few, including herself. Her greed, her self-loving arrogance.. THAT is what I do not care for.
No conspiracy. It is what I have seen.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Give me a break.
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Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Rather obsessivly and compulsively supporting Sanders.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Oh,,,BTW.... how much are you being paid to do this?
There. See.. it can work both ways.. All I have to do is use my fingers.. rather than my brain..
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)The dirty dark Hillary paid shill deal started way back in 2001 just after 9/11. The seed was planted - I only needed to post a few thousand times over those course of the next 15 years to maintain my cover. In 2016 the plan went into action, and now my corporate payday is near.
The best part is, this is the precise plan Hillary discussed in detail during her unreleased speeches on Wall St. The primary goal of her campaign was to infiltrate fringe, irrelevant, and outdated websites with paid shills using corporate blood money. We all talked about this plan using her email server.
You totally figured us out.
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It must be nice to have a candidate who is entirely perfect, flawless in every way.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Both questions are equally valid.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Next?
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Just like England has a queen who isnt a Brit
Dems obtuse care not that they are helping a faux progressive become POTUS
its just that it is easier to do
mahina
(17,772 posts)Well done.
I obviously would have liked it to go differently but that and a nickel, etc.
Onward.
snort
(2,334 posts)People in factories and Corporations across America are working very hard so that their enriched bosses can support Hillary.
annavictorious
(934 posts)You must be a ridiculous sexist.
"Think with your head...not with your emotion."
Thanks for the tip, Donald. I'll take it under advisement.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)about the Delegates. What I'm hoping to see is the DNC coming to the realization that Hillary comes with so much baggage she will do more harm than good to the Party and its hopes in keeping the White House & retaking the majority of the Senate. If they come to this realization and negotiate with Hillary (like she has no ego) then, and only then will Senator Sanders become the Candidate. Also delegates can also be negotiated with via Hillary to absent their vote for her.
I voted for Secretary Clinton in the 2008 primary. When President Obama became the candidate I voted for him. If Hillary is the candidate I will vote for her, but I don't like her at this time. She has an air of superiority, and "it's my turn" "I'm owed this", about her & I'm not feeling it.
If she does become President, if you've think we've had 8 years of crap from Congress, we'll have another 8 years of it. I guarantee that the House of Representatives will vote to impeach her, within the first 6 months of her term. It won't be because she committed any crime, they'll just dig stuff up and say it's a crime.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Hates her, dislikes her or/and mistrusts her. MOST of America.
how can people ignore plain truth like that?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And you are happy about that?
Lars39
(26,119 posts)greymouse
(872 posts)They will not switch.
Either Bernie wins the nomination in a brokered convention (like FDR) or the Democratic party as the neocons know and love it is history.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)But I do hope that Bernie is already working - hard - on persuading
Because, unless Hillary wins 100% of California - to a brokered convention - we are headed
annavictorious
(934 posts)Clinton will win it on the first ballot.
Unless of course you have a different "magical thinking" definition of brokered convention that the reality based world doesn't share.
You should enjoy Sanders while you have him for the next several weeks. This will probably be his last campaign. I expect Howard Dean to be the senator from Vermont on the next go around.
reACTIONary
(5,797 posts).... fantasy. I think they picked it up from the GOP.
annavictorious
(934 posts)But that's hard work. He chose instead to exploit the resources of an organization he didn't belong to.
He might even still have been viable at this point as an independent.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Ya know
extortion/ blackmail
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)She'll be the second President Clinton to be impeached by the House. Of that you can be sure.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)Sanders has lost. Hillary won. There's incredible enthusiasm for Hillary among the rank-n-file Ds.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)my 86 year old mother, a registered Democrat for 65 years, who never voted for a Republican in her life, who told me she would love to see a woman as President, voted for Bernie in the primary. Mom has mentioned a few times this week, that she's "scared". What is she afraid of I asked. Her answer was "if Hillary runs she will lose to Trump".
So maybe some rank and file, but not all, & you need all. You also don't need a candidate who pooh-pooh's the supporters of her rival. And she does that constantly.
We can't have another 8 years, of government, where the will of the people is not being met. Changes have to be made & I don't see her willing to help make those changes happen. It will be her husband's presidency all over again. I was in my mid 30's in'92 and I didn't achieve success under his tutelage. I'm 59 now, and I need my government. I don't see her letting me rely on social security or medicare & whatever other social supports I may need.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)can be safely ignored.
80% of Sanders voters polled say they will vote for Hillary. 20% of Rs will vote for Hillary. Many Rs will stay home and not vote for Trump.
Hillary needs to turn out the traditional D base to win. Indies never decide elections as they break evenly for both parties. To imagine that Hillary needs to beg for the vote of Sanders's zealots - especially those who say they won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance - is ludicrous.
The Sanders zealots have an inflated opinion of themselves and of their importance to a D being elected president this fall. But who can blame them when they've been fed a line of bs from BS that BS is the only candidate who has a chance against Trump in the fall, and that they - the Sanders zealots - have a higher moral mission than anyone else, etc etc.?
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)I think you're reading the Sanders "zealots" wrong. I think that what is being said, is that the Party has to be more in tune with its roots, i.e. FDR, and LBJ, than what has passed for a Democrat candidate in the past 20-25 years. Secretary Clinton and the DNC have to come to this realization also. Without this, we are just going through the motions, with no changes.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)Seriously?
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)In regard to the ACA, I think that the Democrats didn't push hard enough and allowed Insurance Companies to sit down at the table and hash it out.
Yes there has been nothing but grief thrown at the President by the repugs, but I've seen a lot of disabandonment of house and senate seats by the DNC.
This is not a game, but that's what its played like.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)mrmpa
(4,033 posts)it's just not about the executive branch. It's too early to get into a pissing contest, with those who have difficulty discerning and understanding.
stopbush
(24,399 posts)don't understand when said supporters have difficulty understanding it's over for their candidate, and that the longer he continues to act as little more than an irritant to Hillary and the Party, the more he dilutes his own influence in the party.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)& I think that Hillary and the DNC need to have an irritant, otherwise, things remain the same, stagnant & unprogressive.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)because the demographics (few minority voters) and open primary favored him. As it was, the most recent pre-election poll had a lead for her within the margin of error.
So Silver wasn't amazed or even surprised when Bernie had a 5 point win.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,389 posts)So I don't see how this is even newsworthy.
I was so confused when I saw it on MSNBC.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)to mention that she's been running for prez since around 1992 and the DNC has loaded the scales with everything possible on her behalf, what's amazing is that she and her supporters have to do anything beyond be the poorest "winners" on the face of the earth
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Why do I care if you can't spell the name of your totemic authority?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Congressional District caucuses are scheduled for May 21. We've just wrapped up the Legislative Dist caucuses and voted for delegates for the CD caucuses.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)What She wants, needs, desires and appears to have
is diehard loyalist vote counters and such
LiberalFighter
(51,389 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pretty good picture of what the final breakdown will but but it can change as we go from precinct caucuses to Leg Dist caucuses then on to Congressional District caucuses. I haven't investigated as to how the count changed between the precinct and Leg Dist caucuses. There was no change in my Leg Dist. Sanders 75% to Clinton 25%. Now off to the Congressional Dist caucuses on May 21.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Washington State has a grand total of 101 delegates.
Projected totals as per Nate Silvers (March 2016)
Sanders's 74
Clinton 27
These projected totals were confirmed today. There are no magical Washington State democratic delegates that are yet to be allocated.
The only real thing that happened to the delegate count today is that Hillary netted 5 to Sanders 3, based on the final Indiana tallies and the contest in Guam. Sanders lost more ground today.
You kids really need to figure out how this actually works.
LiberalFighter
(51,389 posts)that could be decided by a simple vote.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)been elected.
This is just another repeat of that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Our Legislative Dist caucuses for the county were combined with the County Convention and it took approx 12 hours. From noon to midnight. It was heart warming that so many turned out, about 1,800, and a lot stayed the whole time. Got to meet some good people. And then we still have to go to another level. Having said all that, I also don't trust machine vote counting. Too easy to manipulate data.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Twelve hours! I wish there was some way to repay those volunteers who reluctantly agreed to represent us in the next level. They knew that someone had to do it or our votes wouldn't count. There has to be a better system.
So how do you feel about our paper, mail-in, scanned ballots for all the other elections? Why should a primary election (caucus) be the only exception?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)At 5:30 we had the precinct delegates counted and needed to elect the new delegates to go on to the next level (CD caucuses). In my LD the Sanders group had 160 volunteers that were running for delegate. We gave them one minute to introduce them selves. That took close to 3 hours. That's some dedicated volunteers.
I would entertain going to mail in for the primary. I do like the idea of getting 1,800 people off their butts and into a meeting of their party. Approx 1,500 of them were volunteers as delegates or other. If we went to mail in, I would try to figure out ways to get people to participate in their county party meetings.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Well, thank you for going through all that, even if it was to represent another candidate. But I still wish we just used the primary our taxes are paying for.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Convention on June 18.
annavictorious
(934 posts)Only 6% of the electorate was able to caucus in Washington.
That's why they've backed down on the super delegate demands. 75% of 6% isn't exactly the overwhelming majority that some were claiming.
annavictorious
(934 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)that will (probably) confirm what they did today.
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appalachiablue
(41,204 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Hillary will probably launch an attack against us if she is prez.
(Sarcasm, okay?)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)kissing up to her.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)She won 18 more from WA today, so that and her additional Guam delegate gets subtracted from his total.
Overall, Hillary has 1702 pledged delegates now to 1411 for Bernie.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The OP implies that Sanders got 49 more of the 101 delegates for Wash the State. That's not at all true.
After the precinct caucuses I believe the predicted delegate allotment for the state was 74 Sanders and 27 Clinton. I don't know what the current prediction is after the results of the Legislative Caucuses but I doubt it changed much. The link you provided shows the Wash currently predicted results at 74 Sanders and 37 Clinton, but that totals 118 which isn't correct.
Help me out here.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Based on the more conservative # of those officially awarded, it knocks off about 15%.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Clinton got 18 more delegates, so the net is 31. But 49 is a much more provocative headline, to make it look like they are neck and neck.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Remember that little meme "Superdelgates don't count"? It will be proven to be bullshit at the convention, where, in fact, superdelegates do count. Barring an unforseen, very unlikely turn of events, the first vote will come and the delegate totals (which will, and always did) include superdelegates. Then this media construct of a horserace will be proven to have ended some time ago.
(Here's a little hint, I'm not for either candidate, I'm for the nominee. I don't have your bias to see through)
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)And barring something like Sanders taking all of California (which, face it, ain't gonna happen) the superdelegates are going to step in and vote the way they have always said they will.
Saying they don't don't was only ever pablum. Sure, Sanders still has a chance, but at this point it's approaching the odds of a meteor strike taking out the front runner. Least you sour grapes that into something I'm not saying, I'm not saying he should quit. I'm saying that his supporters should be preparing themselves for the likely outcome. Don't give up, but don't mortgage your house to donate it to his campaign.
annavictorious
(934 posts)The count is now
Clinton 1705 pledged delegates
Sanders 1420 pledged delegates
That includes the projected Washington delegates that were already counted into the totals in March and were simply confirmed today.
Hillary went up by two more delegates today based on the final Indiana tallies and the Guam contest. Nothing good happened to Sanders today. He lost ground.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)MFM008
(19,837 posts)hes ahead now right?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)delegate, Washington has not assigned or awarded any pledged delegates.
On March 26 Washington the State held precinct caucuses, not a primary, the first of three steps to get to electing state delegates. Based on the votes at the precinct caucuses we were able to predict that Sanders would get about 72 - 74% of the state's delegates. That is a prediction. No delegates were awarded. We've just finished up with the second level (Leg Dist) and I would doubt that the overall percentages have changed. WE STILL HAVE NOT ELECTED ONE SINGLE STATE PLEDGED DELEGATE. In my LD the percentage for Sanders was 75%.
The above is how I see it. If someone has different information, please enlighten us.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)I'm confused as hell. WTF is going on? Does my vote not count?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Could backfire big time and probably will. Tweeters will take care of that.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)The Rs just use the primary result to determine their delegates.
The state Ds sued for the right to continue allocating their delegates by caucus, and won.
So WA state Dems have both a primary and a caucus. The caucus determines actual Dem delegate allocation; the primary is symbolic only.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)It's a bit misleading when you receive a ballot in the mail!
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)I had lots of fun with this on 26 March, as you might imagine...
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,078 posts)have been factored in the pledged count running totals. They may have actually been just estimated for Washington, but it looks like they gave been factored in.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Thank You Washington State for doing the Right Thing!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)This is self-explanatory. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/fix-our-election-system_b_9847102.html
MFM008
(19,837 posts)SHE IS AHEAD.
Uncle Joe
(58,564 posts)Thanks for the thread, magical thyme.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Of course, since there is not verifiable voting in most states, a real recount would be difficult. This primary should make all Americans demand verifiable voting.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And California is coming.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)and rec
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ANY of their delegates for the national convention yet. We can project what their breakdown might be and that "projection" may have changed slightly as we move thru the process.