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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:32 PM May 2016

Sanders awarded 49 more Washington state delegates

Source: The Hill

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders was awarded 49 more delegates in Washington state, according to district-level breakdown of the state’s primary results done by the Associated Press.

The Vermont senator won the March 26 primary in a landslide, taking 25 of the 34 delegates awarded on election day.

The rest of the state’s 101 delegates are awarded according to results from congressional districts, which had not been determined until Saturday. Front-runner Hillary Clinton picked up 18 of the remaining district-level delgates, to go with the nine delegates she won on election day.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/279111-sanders-awarded-49-washington-state-delegates

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Sanders awarded 49 more Washington state delegates (Original Post) magical thyme May 2016 OP
Heh. Watch the MSM ignore it ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #1
so technically even with Guam PatrynXX May 2016 #9
And now she has moved from 92% of the delegates she needs to 93%. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #59
Your Candidate Is In Bed With The Bush Family billhicks76 May 2016 #77
Hillary Clinton is a diplomat, like Ted Kennedy was. If she can find a way to work across the aisle, pnwmom May 2016 #83
"I knew Ted Kennedy"... ReRe May 2016 #87
As I said, things have deteriorated since crossing the aisle was the norm. We'd be better off pnwmom May 2016 #88
Hillary certainly knows how to cross the aisle and join with Republicans. bvar22 May 2016 #95
And Hillary has more than 12 million votes and 1700 pledged delegates. And Bernie does not. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #98
...and exactly WHAT does THAT have to do with your advocacy for bvar22 May 2016 #107
Dubya had more votes than Kerry lbrtbell May 2016 #108
SNAP and double SNAP Silver_Witch May 2016 #133
Debating the flaws and virtues of the candidates now is beside the point. pnwmom May 2016 #194
Funny how that is, where you're okay, how those laserhaas May 2016 #114
Bernie has flip flopped, too. He was against the Brady bill, now he's for it. pnwmom May 2016 #120
"And Hillary has more than 12 million votes and 1700 pledged delegates. And Bernie does not. n/t" LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #192
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #202
lmfao retrowire May 2016 #206
+1 ! FailureToCommunicate May 2016 #113
Preach it! Silver_Witch May 2016 #134
hmmmm sheshe2 May 2016 #182
TPPillary certainly does. forest444 May 2016 #213
We agree on something!!! Yeah. How's that for crossing the aisle? ;-) eom ReRe May 2016 #111
😎 laserhaas May 2016 #115
What is that, laserhaas? ReRe May 2016 #122
Just a smiley face and thumb up laserhaas May 2016 #143
Ha! ReRe May 2016 #164
Nope Joe swore off stogies laserhaas May 2016 #190
I Actually Enjoy Your Comments billhicks76 May 2016 #118
You don't cross the aisle to people who want you destroyed.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #146
Bernie has worked across the aisle on his opposition pnwmom May 2016 #161
Because they will be destroyed back home if they are seen with her. Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #162
Teddy was a drunk that killed national health care reform Buzz cook May 2016 #195
The person you describe... ReRe May 2016 #198
She's already crossed the aisle. She needs to find a way to work back across the aisle. n/t cui bono May 2016 #141
True that! mdbl May 2016 #199
Hillary Courting Bush Donors As Of 2 Days Ago billhicks76 May 2016 #229
I agree, good or bad, Hillary will be able to work with the Republicans NWCorona May 2016 #159
She's asking for the votes of anyone who wants a SANE President. That sounds like a low bar, pnwmom May 2016 #160
If Hillary was just asking for Republican votes I wouldn't have a problem. NWCorona May 2016 #163
HRC is at the top of a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party. grasswire May 2016 #217
She gained 4 in Guam, he got 3 - TBF May 2016 #200
The MSM should ignore it. FarPoint May 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #17
Nickels and dimes? Naw she holds out for the big bucks ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #18
win ^ n/t RazBerryBeret May 2016 #68
Well I mean really, it's what they offered.......how can she refuse SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #150
Keep telling yourself that! Chasstev365 May 2016 #27
Well, if you didn't have a big Hillary Clinton logo on your post, your opinion bjo59 May 2016 #28
I know.... FarPoint May 2016 #58
Wow. Advocating against a free press? Coventina May 2016 #35
Oh, on the contrary... FarPoint May 2016 #40
Reporting on our national elections is extremely important. Coventina May 2016 #43
No it's not... FarPoint May 2016 #57
You are confusing your personal value system with the duty of the press in our democracy. Coventina May 2016 #60
You need to keep up with the news lbrtbell May 2016 #109
Right On!! LovingA2andMI May 2016 #152
It has always been U.S. with him laserhaas May 2016 #191
Funny, as hell.... (Also. you were blocked --- let's take care of that again) LovingA2andMI May 2016 #203
Uh... ReRe May 2016 #168
Kind and considerate ReRe laserhaas May 2016 #215
Jeee wilikers, and here I thought 'you guys' were into .....math. pangaia May 2016 #38
And the reason you can say that so... ReRe May 2016 #110
A...Men...ReRe laserhaas May 2016 #147
If it's not Trump, it's not news, apparently. nt valerief May 2016 #79
if elected, he would be the first president to be completely ignored by MSM yurbud May 2016 #224
Considering the ballot count isn't until the 24th... scscholar May 2016 #230
KnR for more Sanders delegates! Woot! n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #2
Cool laserhaas May 2016 #5
Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas May 2016 #3
Nate Silvers annavictorious May 2016 #4
The importance of Hillary's win in Guam stopbush May 2016 #6
The importance of Hillary's win.... anywhere... AlbertCat May 2016 #19
Bitter much? rusty fender May 2016 #23
Bitter much? AlbertCat May 2016 #61
hmmmm puffy socks May 2016 #36
So far, she's had about 12.6 million votes; Bernie 9.5 million muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #48
By winning in the electoral college. JDPriestly May 2016 #65
I credit Susan Sarandon annavictorious May 2016 #125
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #142
Millions fewer want Bernie for President. nt pnwmom May 2016 #53
Millions more would have wanted Bernie.... ReRe May 2016 #117
Many candidates annavictorious May 2016 #126
I never thought much of that, but... ReRe May 2016 #127
Not fact jmowreader May 2016 #154
Oh Gawdddddd...... ReRe May 2016 #175
It's over. jmowreader May 2016 #178
Yeah, it's over alright... ReRe May 2016 #183
So...how much WAS your check from Revolution Messaging this month? jmowreader May 2016 #184
It was $27... ReRe May 2016 #185
Wait a minute... ReRe May 2016 #186
Happy to jmowreader May 2016 #188
Bernie Sanders didn't.... ReRe May 2016 #189
If Hillary's supporters did the same thing to a Bernie rally, you'd blame her jmowreader May 2016 #193
Well... ReRe May 2016 #225
Latinos are obviously not in lockstep for the Clinton Machine... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #201
Agreed! n/t ReRe May 2016 #226
Do you REALLY want your President or Candidate to have the power to... bvar22 May 2016 #221
Sovereign citizens like you disgust me jmowreader May 2016 #227
must by "controlled" by a "central authority". bvar22 May 2016 #228
OK... ReRe May 2016 #231
Yeah. I call bullshit. stopbush May 2016 #82
I guess every first lady had the position "handed" to her annavictorious May 2016 #121
The fine Senator remained silent when Geronimoe May 2016 #137
and Hillary needs to win 73% of remaining delegates to reach 2383 magical thyme May 2016 #51
Bernie needs 97%. That sound doable to you? nt pnwmom May 2016 #62
No she doesn't. The 522 superdelegates DO count towards 2383. beastie boy May 2016 #71
not yet Ed Suspicious May 2016 #157
Oh yes they do. Today. beastie boy May 2016 #166
Do you have even a passing familiarity with the truth? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #167
Let me see... the truth is what you wish things would be... beastie boy May 2016 #169
Have the super delegates already cast their votes at the convention? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #171
Have the pledged delegates already cast their votes? beastie boy May 2016 #173
No. That 73% would be pledged delegates only. stopbush May 2016 #81
hello? I wrote 73% based on pledged delegates and that neither can win w/out supers magical thyme May 2016 #135
Yawn. stopbush May 2016 #138
Sad that you can't let it play out without being a jerk. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #172
Sad that Sanders can't see that it already has played out. stopbush May 2016 #204
Bottom line: No one needs to make it on pledged delegates alone. Thor_MN May 2016 #91
Hillary will win - no problem - on the first ballot... reACTIONary May 2016 #155
Then what the fuck are you worried about? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #158
Ed, thanks.. reACTIONary May 2016 #165
Silver's ..the man always amazed Bernie does better laserhaas May 2016 #7
Always? annavictorious May 2016 #8
Which is more inane...my thinking Sanders has a chance laserhaas May 2016 #10
We worked quite hard here in MA for Hillary Chico Man May 2016 #22
The fact that you are working hard for a friend of my well known adversary laserhaas May 2016 #24
Endearing you isn't the goal Chico Man May 2016 #33
Endearing EVERY voter is the goal of a volunteer lbrtbell May 2016 #112
That's completely unrealistic Chico Man May 2016 #177
Why do people work so hard for a power-loving liar? pangaia May 2016 #39
Why have you subscribed to the vast right wing conspiracy of Hillary haters? Chico Man May 2016 #42
I have not subscribed to anything. I do not hate her. pangaia May 2016 #50
"Power loving liar"? Chico Man May 2016 #64
No,, she loves power, and she repeatedly lies.. Just facts. pangaia May 2016 #67
that's your opinion Chico Man May 2016 #74
Stop putting words in my mouth and assuming my thoughts. pangaia May 2016 #149
Boo hoo Chico Man May 2016 #174
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R May 2016 #153
I would wager they are not liberal nor progressive Chico Man May 2016 #176
You just lost a wager. pangaia May 2016 #179
Got me Chico Man May 2016 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R May 2016 #222
That's the answer to every criticism Clinton faces Scootaloo May 2016 #85
You could also ask, why do people work so hard for a hippie-commie-blowhard? pnwmom May 2016 #69
He is not a hippie. He is not a commie and he is not a blowhard. pangaia May 2016 #72
In your opinion. That's what the ads would have said in the general, if he'd gotten that far. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #73
They refusing to see that's the reality. laserhaas May 2016 #144
Good on you. mahina May 2016 #80
Got that right. snort May 2016 #100
What a ridiculously sexist thing to say. annavictorious May 2016 #128
I haven't been following the math............ mrmpa May 2016 #14
Sorry, super delegates are not going to switch their vote to Bernie leftofcool May 2016 #16
That will never change the fact that most of America ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #21
Ya mean the Super's that were committed before anyone else entered the race laserhaas May 2016 #26
Super delegates shouldn't even be voting unless a convention emergency occurs. Lars39 May 2016 #34
The DNC is bought and paid for greymouse May 2016 #20
Sad state of affairs laserhaas May 2016 #29
Super delegates vote at the same time as the pledged delegates. annavictorious May 2016 #131
+100 !! Contested convention? What a .... reACTIONary May 2016 #156
Sanders could have run as an independent. annavictorious May 2016 #129
Unless a deal has been made to keep her in line laserhaas May 2016 #31
It won't be six months, but definitely before the mid-terms... truebrit71 May 2016 #54
Hoping to see is one thing. Actually seeing is another. stopbush May 2016 #84
I'm not seeing it... mrmpa May 2016 #102
Threats from the Sanders zealots that they won't vote for Hillary stopbush May 2016 #205
With all due respect.......... mrmpa May 2016 #207
So, you call the Obama presidency "going through the motions?" stopbush May 2016 #208
No I don't............. mrmpa May 2016 #209
So what was the point of your post #207? stopbush May 2016 #210
In toto......... mrmpa May 2016 #214
Ha! Interesting to have a Sanders supporter claiming others stopbush May 2016 #219
Last I saw & read, DU is a progressive, liberal Democrat site.......... mrmpa May 2016 #220
Before the vote Nate posted that he expected Bernie would be stronger than the polls showed pnwmom May 2016 #66
Keep the good news coming! Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #37
So has The Green Papers LiberalFighter May 2016 #45
of course it didn't cost her $2M or 2cents. Between the massive free press, Superpac spending, not magical thyme May 2016 #46
Who is Nate SilverS? JackRiddler May 2016 #75
I haven't read the article but Washington the State hasn't elected their state delegates yet. rhett o rick May 2016 #11
Delegates and Caucuser - We Don't Need No Stinking Delegates & Caucusers laserhaas May 2016 #30
Don't they go by the results of the caucuses? LiberalFighter May 2016 #47
Absolutely and they aint done with their caucuses. The pricinct caususes can give us a rhett o rick May 2016 #49
The final breakdown has been available for weeks. annavictorious May 2016 #136
It seems like there is a lot of effort for something LiberalFighter May 2016 #211
That's what's silly. The numbers were reported long ago, as if all the delegates had already pnwmom May 2016 #70
I hate to admit it to you but I have problems with the caucus system. rhett o rick May 2016 #86
Thank you. And -- GOOD GRIEF!!! pnwmom May 2016 #90
We started before noon. I got there at 12:15 and no parking left except in ditches and road sides. rhett o rick May 2016 #92
I think more people would be willing to participate -- I would -- if the meetings weren't so long. pnwmom May 2016 #94
I believe there is a resolution to the State platform suggesting such. Support that at the State rhett o rick May 2016 #99
As per The Stranger annavictorious May 2016 #139
They don't even know how any of this works. annavictorious May 2016 #132
It's a formality annavictorious May 2016 #130
This message was self-deleted by its author eomer May 2016 #13
Fantastic, Thank You Washington State! Go Bernie! appalachiablue May 2016 #15
K & R AzDar May 2016 #25
The Pacific Northwest loves Bernie. Arugula Latte May 2016 #32
Sadly that's probably more true than not. That's probably why the Wash Super-Duper Delegates are rhett o rick May 2016 #52
49 huh? isn't that about 1/4 of the difference to this point? nt silvershadow May 2016 #41
Not if you use regular math. pnwmom May 2016 #55
I don't understand the OP. How did Sanders get more delegates? rhett o rick May 2016 #212
depends on whether you look at delegates officially awarded or projected to be awarded. magical thyme May 2016 #56
You're not accounting for the votes Hillary got in WA or in Guam. pnwmom May 2016 #63
49 is not the number that matters. What matters is the net delegates. Thor_MN May 2016 #93
Well they are neck and neck (irregularities withstanding) nt silvershadow May 2016 #96
No, they are not. Thor_MN May 2016 #104
Oh I was talking about the unresolved disenfranchisement. I see what you did there, though. nt silvershadow May 2016 #105
Here, I found what I was looking for: silvershadow May 2016 #106
You are still forgetting those pesky superdelegates, who despite your hopes and dreams, do count. Thor_MN May 2016 #116
Those delegates have been calculated into the totals for months. annavictorious May 2016 #145
k and r nt Rebkeh May 2016 #44
Those have been included in most counts for a long time. Zynx May 2016 #76
For what it's worth it made Yahoo's front page via the AP PoliticalMalcontent May 2016 #78
Well there it is MFM008 May 2016 #89
I believe this article is completely bogus. IMO and I have been participating as a precinct rhett o rick May 2016 #97
I live in Seattle and just got may ballot today! scscholar May 2016 #101
It looks like the tactic is to keep Bernie supporters from sending in ballots Kalidurga May 2016 #103
WA voters passed an initiative to require primary elections some years ago strategery blunder May 2016 #119
Thanks scscholar May 2016 #123
You're welcome strategery blunder May 2016 #124
KnR, magical thyme! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #140
This result may not have affected Hillary's lead as these numbers LuvLoogie May 2016 #148
Go Bernie Go!! LovingA2andMI May 2016 #151
Exit Polls Show Fraud billhicks76 May 2016 #170
If she is one delegate ahead MFM008 May 2016 #181
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #187
All the primaries and caucuses should be reevaluated emsimon33 May 2016 #196
Great news. So much for his winning streak being 'over'. It's not. Betty Karlson May 2016 #197
Go here.... Adrahil May 2016 #223
kick warrprayer May 2016 #216
It sounds wonderful but the articles are total crap. Washington hasn't elected rhett o rick May 2016 #218
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
77. Your Candidate Is In Bed With The Bush Family
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

It's a disgrace. I can tell you're a good person. What a sad conundrum.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
83. Hillary Clinton is a diplomat, like Ted Kennedy was. If she can find a way to work across the aisle,
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

she will.

Our system of politics has greatly deteriorated over the decades, as so many politicians have lost that ability.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
87. "I knew Ted Kennedy"...
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

... and Hillary Clinton is/was no Ted Kennedy.
"Crossing the aisle" is NOT where this country is now in politics. Yes, in the old days, before the DLC took over the Democratic Party, Republicans and Democrats could work together across the aisle. I remember election seasons would come and go and after the election, everyone would bury the hatchets and go back to work on the People's business. Not Big Business's business, as it has become over time since 1992.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
88. As I said, things have deteriorated since crossing the aisle was the norm. We'd be better off
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

if more politicians knew how to do that.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
95. Hillary certainly knows how to cross the aisle and join with Republicans.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

She has a strong track record in this area. She spent a lot of time on that side of the aisle:

* Sanders has supported gay rights for over 40 years. Hillary and Republicans have not.

* Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Hillary & The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Hillary and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

* Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Hillary and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Hillary and The Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Hillary and the Republicans did not.

* Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Hillary and The Republicans did not.

* Sanders wants to Raise (or eliminate) the CAP on FICA deductions. Hillary and the Republicans do not.

* Sanders opposes unrestricted "Free Trade". Hillary and the Republican do not.

*Sanders wants to protect Social Security by Raising-the-Cap. Hillary and the Republicans do not because the top 1% will have to pay their fair share.

*Sanders wants to diffuse the Middle East by NOT sending more weapons, or "projecting" more US Military Power into the area. Hillary and the Republicans do not.


Spending too damn much time on the other side of the aisle is NOT a good thing for our Party or our democracy.




pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
98. And Hillary has more than 12 million votes and 1700 pledged delegates. And Bernie does not. n/t
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
107. ...and exactly WHAT does THAT have to do with your advocacy for
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

"crossing the aisle" and working with Republicans?
There are many times I wish she had stayed on OUR side of the Aisle, the IWR woas not the least of these many times.

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
108. Dubya had more votes than Kerry
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

Having more votes doesn't mean a candidate is better for the country. It just means a lot more people have been taken in by lies.

Sanders polls better against Trump than Hillary. People like you are going to hand him a victory in November, because Repukes are going to rise out of their graves to vote against her.

Even if by some chance she wins, too many of her positions are Republican-lite. Please refer to her positions on bvar22's post, instead of willfully ignoring them to make a snide remark.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
194. Debating the flaws and virtues of the candidates now is beside the point.
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:02 AM
May 2016

This is over.

Trump is out there, and he's the one we should be tearing apart. Not Hillary and Bernie.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
114. Funny how that is, where you're okay, how those
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:33 PM
May 2016

Votes maybe rigged, for a person who flip flops on a whim

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
120. Bernie has flip flopped, too. He was against the Brady bill, now he's for it.
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

He was against Federal marriage equality, now he's for it.

He was against the crime bill, but then he voted for it.

Etc.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,180 posts)
192. "And Hillary has more than 12 million votes and 1700 pledged delegates. And Bernie does not. n/t"
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:46 AM
May 2016

Typical mean girl response.

Who cares about who is right. Who cares if the nerdy one with thick glasses will punish the bullies in the school and make it fair for everyone if elected school student president, you're going with the popular rich one that won't change a thing about the pecking order, but may glance your way one day and you can get to shout out "I voted for you!" in starry eyed adoration.

I hope its worth it for you.

Response to pnwmom (Reply #98)

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
206. lmfao
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

Itp: I know I just got slammed with reason so my counterpoint is SHES WINNING11!!!

XD

Funniest thing I've read all day right here.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
134. Preach it!
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

I see the come back is she has more votes nanny nanny nanny....the sad part is the way they count the "more votes" thing. Making 'more votes' pointless.

Very well played.

sheshe2

(84,072 posts)
182. hmmmm
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:53 AM
May 2016

Reaching across the aisle.

What Bernie Sanders Can Bring to Liberty University

When the presidential hopeful visits Liberty University, he’ll expose students to a party otherwise cloaked by the many Republican presidential candidates that have come before him—can his visit influence a conservative audience?

It’s not unusual for Liberty University to host politicians. In the spring of this year, it gained national attention when Ted Cruz announced his presidential bid on campus. Liberty has hosted speakers such as Donald Trump, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, and Sean Hannity. But when Liberty University announced its convocation speakers for the fall of 2015, including Scott Walker and Ben Carson, it included an unexpected name: Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

As a student at Liberty University, I have learned from my professors how to apply my conservative theology to all areas of my life. And that’s why I’m drawn to support Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign.

Jerry Falwell, the founder of the university, strongly believed that teaching students how to integrate their Christian worldview into all sectors of their lives, especially politics, is an essential part of providing a Christian education. I agree with the Liberty University Doctrinal Statement, which says that the Bible is “true revelation” that is “inspired by God” to create a standard of truth, there is one God “who exists eternally in three persons,” and Jesus Christ “offered himself as a sacrifice” for humanity’s sin. However, I find myself in the minority on campus politically.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/what-bernie-sanders-can-bring-to-liberty-university/404926/

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
118. I Actually Enjoy Your Comments
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

You're always thoughtful and like I said most definitely a good person. Agree to disagree.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
146. You don't cross the aisle to people who want you destroyed....
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:11 PM
May 2016

What can you offer? Helping them to destroy you?

BTW: Things have deteriorated since Newt came out with his "word list" and got a bunch of unqualified people elected. Those idiots rose in the ranks of the party over time until they attained leadership positions.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
161. Bernie has worked across the aisle on his opposition
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

to a part of the new deal called the Export-Import Bank -- which the tea party wants to abolish in favor of private banks only.

So if Bernie can do it, why not Hillary?

Buzz cook

(2,474 posts)
195. Teddy was a drunk that killed national health care reform
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:16 AM
May 2016

in the 70s because he wanted his own name on it not that of Nixon or Carter.

And there was never a time that republicans were not lying asshats. People just remember the post war years fondly because FDR had beaten the repigs down so low it took them a couple decades to get back to Reagan normal.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
198. The person you describe...
Sun May 8, 2016, 05:37 AM
May 2016

0... sounds like an ogre, very unlike lovable Uncle Ted. It's odd, as he was so loved by his family, his constituents, by friends, and by US citizens at large.

And there WAS a period of time when Republicans WERE civil. Otherwise, why did Nixon resign? Why was there a Church Committee? Why did John Kerry get away with throwing his medals over the White House fence, protesting the VietNam War?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
229. Hillary Courting Bush Donors As Of 2 Days Ago
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

Its gets harder and harder for her to fake it and prevent people from seeing through the vernier.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
159. I agree, good or bad, Hillary will be able to work with the Republicans
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:15 PM
May 2016

But Hillary's fast move to court the Bush machine must bother you some what?

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
160. She's asking for the votes of anyone who wants a SANE President. That sounds like a low bar,
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016

but it's too high for Trump.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with her appealing to them on that basis. Do you want a looney-tune's finger on the nuclear button, or not?

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
163. If Hillary was just asking for Republican votes I wouldn't have a problem.
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

But Hillary is going after Jeb's "Donors" and other Republican operatives. That's a big difference.

IMHO the reason not to vote for Trump is self-evident.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
217. HRC is at the top of a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party.
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

...and inviting Bushies in for her personal gain is just the latest abuse of Democratic voters.

TBF

(32,153 posts)
200. She gained 4 in Guam, he got 3 -
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

so the 2 are not in the same ballpark. Although you'd never know it from what the mainstream media says.

FarPoint

(12,486 posts)
12. The MSM should ignore it.
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

Nickels and dimes that still will not change the outcome... Sanders can not and will never, ever win. He is yesterday's news.

Response to FarPoint (Reply #12)

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
18. Nickels and dimes? Naw she holds out for the big bucks
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

At least $250k per appearance. Otherwise it is simply not worth it.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
28. Well, if you didn't have a big Hillary Clinton logo on your post, your opinion
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

wouldn't be so easy to dismiss.

FarPoint

(12,486 posts)
58. I know....
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

I weighted the options... Elected to identify my support realizing prejudice may follow... Just being too honest. I'm okay with it...

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
35. Wow. Advocating against a free press?
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

Some people really need to take a breather from this campaign.

FarPoint

(12,486 posts)
40. Oh, on the contrary...
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

These breadcrumbs of delegates for a candidate who has now way of winning... Just is not newsworthy beyond a Sanders Blog. National MSM, absolutely irrelevant and trife.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
43. Reporting on our national elections is extremely important.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

Whether a particular story fits into the narrative you want to hear is irrelevant.

FarPoint

(12,486 posts)
57. No it's not...
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

Everyone knows Sanders essentially lost.. Can not gain enough votes or delegates... Obviously the media knows that he is out of the race dispite Sanders denial factor. He is no longer a game player.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
60. You are confusing your personal value system with the duty of the press in our democracy.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

Please try to rise above your "my team is ahead at the top of the ninth inning" mindset.

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
109. You need to keep up with the news
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:19 PM
May 2016

Sanders' intention at this point is to use the strength of the delegates he's won, to influence the Dem Party platform. You know, to keep your candidate from leaning as far right as she and DWS would prefer. He was just on Rachel Maddow the other night saying exactly that.

Seriously, keep up with what's going on. Bernie's campaign has never been about just him. It's always been about making the Democratic party represent progressive values again.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
152. Right On!!
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016
"Bernie's campaign has never been about just him. It's always been about making the Democratic party represent progressive values again."


That's Why So Many Love Bernie. #UsNotMe!!

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
203. Funny, as hell.... (Also. you were blocked --- let's take care of that again)
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016
You're joking right. #ItIsAlwaysAboutHer #Always

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
168. Uh...
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:47 PM
May 2016

... but there's a Primary still going on. The Primary isn't over till it's over. The time of throwing in the towel prematurely is in the past, FarPoint. Primary first > then Convention, not Primary first > then concession speech. Relax, will ya?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
110. And the reason you can say that so...
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:19 PM
May 2016

... succinctly is because you know something that the rest of us don't know. That the deck was stacked before the election even begun? It doesn't matter if the M$M ignores the development. Because the Political Revolution has not been and will not be televised. But it is occurring, nonetheless. Bernie Sanders is campaigning circles around HRC AND DHT.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
224. if elected, he would be the first president to be completely ignored by MSM
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

ironically, that is hurting the media more than it's hurting him.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
230. Considering the ballot count isn't until the 24th...
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:51 PM
May 2016

they should ignore it. It's sad to see Sanders declare a win before we even got to vote. I just got my ballot yesterday.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
4. Nate Silvers
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

has had those extra delegates factored into the count since the end of March. This is old news. Some new news? Clinton hit her Indiana target when an additional delegate was awarded to her this week, and it didn't cost her $2,000,000. Sanders missed his Guam target today, but only by a half delegate. Of course, he also loses any claim of "momentum".

This is based on Nate's original targets, not the miracle count which is the only path left open to Sanders.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-really-hard-to-get-bernie-sanders-988-more-delegates/

stopbush

(24,399 posts)
6. The importance of Hillary's win in Guam
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

is that there are now not enough delegates left for Sanders to hit 2383.

Thank you, Tim Robbins!!

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
19. The importance of Hillary's win.... anywhere...
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:17 PM
May 2016

If Hillary wins the General, it won't be because a majority WANT her to win or want her as president.

Just like her 1st Lady and SoS gigs, which were handed to her, her "achievements" are not earned. It's all riding in on someone's coattails, consolation prizes after losing, or a Hail Mary because she's not quite as awful as the alternative.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
61. Bitter much?
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

Oh please!

I accomplished much of what I wanted in my little career, than you very much.

I'm not bitter at all.

I'm just pointing out that a vote against Trump is NOT a vote for Hillary.... unless you actually WANT Hillary.

Just like not voting for Hillary is not not a vote FOR Trump.... unless of course you actually push the Trump button.

You have to be more than just against Trump to be FOR Hillary.

Of course every election is voting for the BEST candidate, not the perfect one.
But things are so rigged....even in the primaries... that I truly do not think my vote counts for anything anymore. That it should even come down to the last primary's loser vs reality show hosts tells me it's just ridiculous. I'm not bitter; I'm amazed. Especially when there's actually a choice superior to both of the PR candidates.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
36. hmmmm
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

among human beings jealousy ranks distinctly as a weakness; a trademark of small minds; a property of all small minds, yet a property which even the smallest is ashamed of; and when accused of its possession will lyingly deny it and resent the accusation as an insult.
- Letters from the Earth

muriel_volestrangler

(101,415 posts)
48. So far, she's had about 12.6 million votes; Bernie 9.5 million
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

and Trump with 10.7 million

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R

Hillary's 12.6 million is a majority of votes cast in the Democratic primaries.

How do you think a politician 'earns' office, if not by getting more votes than any opponent?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
65. By winning in the electoral college.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016

Gore won the majority of votes, but the White House was awarded to George W. Bush.

The overall number of votes is not the measure. The measure is the number of delegates.

Besides, it's Bernie who can win most easily against Trump, not Hillary.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
125. I credit Susan Sarandon
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:47 PM
May 2016

and the ridiculous Naderites for Bush's win.

I remember that election. Political savants like Sarandon insisted that Gore was only the "lesser of two evils" and that people of conscience would never vote for the future Nobel Peace Prize winning environmental activist.

Thanks, Susan. You can sit down now.

Response to annavictorious (Reply #125)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
117. Millions more would have wanted Bernie....
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

... had M$M give him as much time as it gave DHT. Fact, no?

The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home...

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
126. Many candidates
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

could make the same claim, not just Sanders.

I was surprised, though, when Sanders meeting with the Pope didn't get the wall-to-wall coverage that it deserved.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
127. I never thought much of that, but...
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

... you're right. That stuck out like a sore thumb, didn't it? The non-coverage of Bernie going to the Vatican. Can you imagine had Trump gone to the Vatican?

jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
154. Not fact
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

If the MSM would have given Bernie even half as much time as it gave Trump, Bernie would have gotten even less support than he has. I seriously doubt the American public would stand for Bernie after the total costs of his plans, the tax levels they would have required, the almost certainty none of them would have ever gotten through Congress, the popular and progressive bills Bernie voted "nay" on (like the Brady Bill and the Amber Alert Bill) because they weren't exactly to his liking, and the Soviet, Nicaraguan and Cuban government officials Bernie met when he went to those places while mayor.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
175. Oh Gawdddddd......
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:26 AM
May 2016

.... we can't forgive him for meeting somebody, now can we? How many years ago was that? And what was his MO while participating in those meetings?

But we must forget the two years since Hillary's resigning SOS position. Like a prophet wondering around in a desert, we're not allowed to know about that, huh? Top secret and all that. Where's the speeches? And how much was she paid for each of them? Speeches, dates, places and amounts will be fine.

If Bernie had half of the time the M$M gave to DHT, the tables would have been turned and you know it. Even with all that has been against him (no M$M, fixed delegates before the Primary even started, closed Primaries, voting fraud), he's still gaining states.

Too early for foregone conclusions, jmowreader. Primary isn't over yet.

jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
178. It's over.
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

Hillary's less than 200 delegates from having it locked up. California ALONE will seal the deal, and after the little display you guys threw yesterday I'd not be surprised to see Bernie's few superdelegates switch to Hillary.

You know what would be fine? Bernie's withdrawal from the race.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
183. Yeah, it's over alright...
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:09 AM
May 2016

... the status quo has got to go, jmowreader. The American People are fed up with the status quo establishment. And it's the overheated, hateful, childish animosity which will make it REAL HARD to unite in the end.

And thanks for that laugh about Bernie throwing in the towel. Ain't gonna happen. He's not like Al Gore or John Kerry. One thing Bernie isn't is a quitter. Nope, status quo went out the door.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
186. Wait a minute...
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016

... what was that you was saying about some kind of "little display" yesterday? I haven't the foggiest idea what that was. Fill me in please.

jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
188. Happy to
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:14 AM
May 2016
http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20160505/bernie-sanders-supporters-protest-at-hillary-clinton-event







&maxh=400&maxw=667



Helpful hint for today: calling your opponent "Killary" and demanding she be deported is not the way to win the hearts and minds of the superdelegates. How is he going to be able to handle Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un if he can't handle his own supporters?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
189. Bernie Sanders didn't....
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:39 AM
May 2016

... give them those signs or tell them what to say on them.

Do you think his supporters have to pass everything through some kind of "minder" before they can use his name? Do all signs in the protest have to pass the "minder" as well? It's all about control with you guys, isn't it? Control. Say that word over and over a few times. Control.

That's it?



ReRe

(10,597 posts)
225. Well...
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

... Since you like to be controlled and all and she likes to do the controlling, you might be right. But no I wouldn't think that automatically. You're the one that needs to "own it." Remember, you brought it up in the first place, saying Bernie wasn't "in control" of his supporters. Bernie, I guarantee you, is too damn busy to be watching the every move of his supporters all over this country.

 

NewImproved Deal

(534 posts)
201. Latinos are obviously not in lockstep for the Clinton Machine...
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016

Unlike some other ethnic voting blocs. She won't steal California.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
221. Do you REALLY want your President or Candidate to have the power to...
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:57 PM
May 2016

..tell YOU what to say and when you can say it?
Are YOU "handled" by Hillary (brought to heel)?

Are you new to this country?
Do you know anything about democracy and constitution?
Are YOU responsible for what Hillary supporters say?

jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
227. Sovereign citizens like you disgust me
Sun May 8, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

I know one of Bernie's biggest expenses is to Revolution Messaging. I've seen their help-wanted ads, okay? There is nothing "grass roots" about these protests, online attacks, and rallies. They are very well coordinated - so well-coordinated they MUST be controlled by a central authority.

Bernie could tone down this crap if he wanted to...simply go to his supporters and tell them, "I know you are enthusiastic about Bernie 2016's people-powered revolution and that's great. I encourage you to be vocal and express your love of Bernie and our campaign - but calling our opponent 'Killary' is turning people away from us, so please stop doing it."

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
228. must by "controlled" by a "central authority".
Sun May 8, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

You couldn't be more wrong.
The Movement will continue with or without Bernie.
It has never been about him or his campaign.
It is about US....the 99% who have been overlooked by the "recovery" and the growing wealth disparity.

BTW: I never called Hillary "Killery", and with the exception on one person in the Latino protest, I haven't heard that term used, so you have taken a single example, and broad brushed an entire Movement (and me personally).

Neither Bernie, nor myself, nor YOU have the power to "control" that person.
They are within their rights guaranteed by our Constitution.
Maybe if YOU were from Honduras and had your family members murdered by a coup backed by SoS Clinton, you might understand the outrage, and the use of "Killery" by Latinos.
Study up on Hillary and Honduras, and get back to me when you have some idea of what you are talking about.

Again, are you from the USA, or any country with a democratic government and Bill of Rights?
I shudder when I hear you speak of being "controlled by a central authority".
That is antithetical to everything this democracy is supposed to be about.
However, I do understand how certain types are attracted to this "central authority control" paradigm.
It has been tried in the past.
It didn't work out well.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
231. OK...
Mon May 9, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

... let's get this out of the way first: I don't give a hoot what you think of me personally.

And provide a link for that "want ad" that Bernie personally placed for "Revolution Messaging", whatever that means.

And forward that suggestion for an announcement by Bernie DIRECTLY to Bernie.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
121. I guess every first lady had the position "handed" to her
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

after she worked hard to get her husband elected.

I live in NY and Clinton represented me as senator. Nobody handed her anything. She earned that office, twice. My husband is FDNY 9-11 survivor. Hillary earned an endorsement from the UFA the second time she ran based on her work to get first responders medical monitoring, treatment, and reduced cost medication. My husband is still alive because of Senator Clinton's efforts.

And you're probably right about SOS because people always have that cabinet post handed to them, kinda like the "give ambassadorships to obscure countries to major donors" tradition.

Or maybe it had something to do with the 16,000,000 votes she got during the 2008 primary.
Or her expertise.
Or her intelligence.

But she's just a girl who has ridden some man's coattails to the top, says the bitter knitter.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
137. The fine Senator remained silent when
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

zero ground workers were told a breathing mask was optional because the air was safe. Anyone with an I! over 100 new the air was hazardous.

And then you fine Senator supported a war with the wrong nation that had nothing to do with 911.

Your fine Senator did have the position handed to her. Part of her campaign was funded as payment for Bill Clinton pardoning Marc Rich, a fugitive who evaded paying over $65 million in taxes and never served a day in jail.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
51. and Hillary needs to win 73% of remaining delegates to reach 2383
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:19 PM
May 2016

Bottom line is neither of them will reach the magic # on pledged delegates alone.

beastie boy

(9,581 posts)
169. Let me see... the truth is what you wish things would be...
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:09 AM
May 2016

Did I get it right? Yes?

But for some reason, I stubbornly cling to the way things are, not the way you wish them to be...

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
171. Have the super delegates already cast their votes at the convention?
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:12 AM
May 2016

Is it possible for them to be convinced to change their mind?

beastie boy

(9,581 posts)
173. Have the pledged delegates already cast their votes?
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016

Is it likely for them to be convinced to change their mind?

In the unlikely event they do, you can count them in Bernie's column. But as long as they are on record as Hillary's supporters, you better count them as such. No hypotheticals please.

stopbush

(24,399 posts)
81. No. That 73% would be pledged delegates only.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

You have to count the supers as well.

Sanders may not want to count the supers right now but the DNC will at the convention.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
135. hello? I wrote 73% based on pledged delegates and that neither can win w/out supers
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

The supers don't get counted until the convention. Any number of things can happen by July.

stopbush

(24,399 posts)
138. Yawn.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

All of the delegates vote at the same time on the first ballot at the convention.

It's a Sanders' fantasy that the super delegates committed to Hillary will switch their alligiance to a candidate who is losing by millions of votes and hundreds of delegates. Team Sanders must convince 400 or so of Hillary's super delegates to switch before the convention. Chance of that happening is zero.

Sad that so many Sanders supporters buy into that fantasy.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
91. Bottom line: No one needs to make it on pledged delegates alone.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

The first vote is the first vote and superdelegates do count. The meme that they don't was always just feel good bullshit.

Unless there is a some sort of very unlikely event, they will have the first vote and Clinton will have over 2383 delegates, pledged and super. The most likely scenario that would make that not happen is Sanders stepping aside at the last minute, like Clinton did 8 years ago.

reACTIONary

(5,797 posts)
155. Hillary will win - no problem - on the first ballot...
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

.... Sanders should bow out now, and start working to support the Democratic nominee : Hillery Rodham Clinton .

reACTIONary

(5,797 posts)
165. Ed, thanks..
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

..... for your concern, but I'm not worried about anything. This is a discussion board, so when one person makes an observation or express an opinion others get to express theirs. That's sort of what a discussion is all about.

I don't see anything improper in my post, but if you do, rather than call me names, alert on the post and let the jury decide.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
10. Which is more inane...my thinking Sanders has a chance
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

Or your thinking the queen was crowned from the outset

Think with your head..not your emotion

Free your mind

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
22. We worked quite hard here in MA for Hillary
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

Actually, a lot of people are working very hard for Hillary

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
112. Endearing EVERY voter is the goal of a volunteer
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

I've been volunteering for Dems since 1984, and am well aware of this goal. Being hostile toward potential voters is not what a candidate wants you to do. That's a good way to drive them to the opponent, or make them stay home on Election Day.

BTW, a lot of people preferred Obama over Hillary in 2008. Were they part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" too, just because they were against her? LOL.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
177. That's completely unrealistic
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

Any political strategist knows that.

Perhaps that's why Bernie is losing so badly: he's trying to please everyone all the time when that is totally impossible to do.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
50. I have not subscribed to anything. I do not hate her.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:19 PM
May 2016

I use my own brain.

Your accusation is not your own original thinking. It is a meme sold to anyone who will bite.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
74. that's your opinion
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016

And a common opinion shared by all members of the vast right wing conspiracy.

They also hate that she is a woman. Do you share that opinion as well, or do you draw the line at name calling and conjecture?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
149. Stop putting words in my mouth and assuming my thoughts.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

This is the second time now that you have done it. You need to edit your Control/C, Control/P work..
I do not hate her.
I do not care about any real or assumed RW Conspiracy. (The Vince Foster episode was pure garbage and I knew it at the time.)
I do not care that she is a woman. I would LOVE to see a woman president. But NOT THIS ONE.

You 'sound' like someone very, very young who has no idea of history, politics or much else. But I could be wrong--about your age, that is.

My distaste for Clinton comes from her positions, her past behavior-- recent past, middle distance and far distance-- her connection to all that destroys the quality of human life for the benefit of a few, including herself. Her greed, her self-loving arrogance.. THAT is what I do not care for.

No conspiracy. It is what I have seen.



Response to Chico Man (Reply #74)

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
176. I would wager they are not liberal nor progressive
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:27 AM
May 2016

Rather obsessivly and compulsively supporting Sanders.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
179. You just lost a wager.
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:36 AM
May 2016

Oh,,,BTW.... how much are you being paid to do this?

There. See.. it can work both ways.. All I have to do is use my fingers.. rather than my brain..



Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
180. Got me
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:41 AM
May 2016

The dirty dark Hillary paid shill deal started way back in 2001 just after 9/11. The seed was planted - I only needed to post a few thousand times over those course of the next 15 years to maintain my cover. In 2016 the plan went into action, and now my corporate payday is near.

The best part is, this is the precise plan Hillary discussed in detail during her unreleased speeches on Wall St. The primary goal of her campaign was to infiltrate fringe, irrelevant, and outdated websites with paid shills using corporate blood money. We all talked about this plan using her email server.

You totally figured us out.

Response to Chico Man (Reply #176)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
85. That's the answer to every criticism Clinton faces
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

It must be nice to have a candidate who is entirely perfect, flawless in every way.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
69. You could also ask, why do people work so hard for a hippie-commie-blowhard?
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:45 PM
May 2016

Both questions are equally valid.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
73. In your opinion. That's what the ads would have said in the general, if he'd gotten that far. n/t
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016
 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
144. They refusing to see that's the reality.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

Just like England has a queen who isnt a Brit

Dems obtuse care not that they are helping a faux progressive become POTUS

its just that it is easier to do

mahina

(17,772 posts)
80. Good on you.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

Well done.

I obviously would have liked it to go differently but that and a nickel, etc.

Onward.

snort

(2,334 posts)
100. Got that right.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

People in factories and Corporations across America are working very hard so that their enriched bosses can support Hillary.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
128. What a ridiculously sexist thing to say.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

You must be a ridiculous sexist.

"Think with your head...not with your emotion."
Thanks for the tip, Donald. I'll take it under advisement.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
14. I haven't been following the math............
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

about the Delegates. What I'm hoping to see is the DNC coming to the realization that Hillary comes with so much baggage she will do more harm than good to the Party and its hopes in keeping the White House & retaking the majority of the Senate. If they come to this realization and negotiate with Hillary (like she has no ego) then, and only then will Senator Sanders become the Candidate. Also delegates can also be negotiated with via Hillary to absent their vote for her.

I voted for Secretary Clinton in the 2008 primary. When President Obama became the candidate I voted for him. If Hillary is the candidate I will vote for her, but I don't like her at this time. She has an air of superiority, and "it's my turn" "I'm owed this", about her & I'm not feeling it.

If she does become President, if you've think we've had 8 years of crap from Congress, we'll have another 8 years of it. I guarantee that the House of Representatives will vote to impeach her, within the first 6 months of her term. It won't be because she committed any crime, they'll just dig stuff up and say it's a crime.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
21. That will never change the fact that most of America
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

Hates her, dislikes her or/and mistrusts her. MOST of America.

how can people ignore plain truth like that?

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
26. Ya mean the Super's that were committed before anyone else entered the race
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

And you are happy about that?

greymouse

(872 posts)
20. The DNC is bought and paid for
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

They will not switch.

Either Bernie wins the nomination in a brokered convention (like FDR) or the Democratic party as the neocons know and love it is history.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
29. Sad state of affairs
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

But I do hope that Bernie is already working - hard - on persuading

Because, unless Hillary wins 100% of California - to a brokered convention - we are headed

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
131. Super delegates vote at the same time as the pledged delegates.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:16 PM
May 2016

Clinton will win it on the first ballot.

Unless of course you have a different "magical thinking" definition of brokered convention that the reality based world doesn't share.

You should enjoy Sanders while you have him for the next several weeks. This will probably be his last campaign. I expect Howard Dean to be the senator from Vermont on the next go around.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
129. Sanders could have run as an independent.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:08 PM
May 2016

But that's hard work. He chose instead to exploit the resources of an organization he didn't belong to.
He might even still have been viable at this point as an independent.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
54. It won't be six months, but definitely before the mid-terms...
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016

She'll be the second President Clinton to be impeached by the House. Of that you can be sure.

stopbush

(24,399 posts)
84. Hoping to see is one thing. Actually seeing is another.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:30 PM
May 2016

Sanders has lost. Hillary won. There's incredible enthusiasm for Hillary among the rank-n-file Ds.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
102. I'm not seeing it...
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

my 86 year old mother, a registered Democrat for 65 years, who never voted for a Republican in her life, who told me she would love to see a woman as President, voted for Bernie in the primary. Mom has mentioned a few times this week, that she's "scared". What is she afraid of I asked. Her answer was "if Hillary runs she will lose to Trump".

So maybe some rank and file, but not all, & you need all. You also don't need a candidate who pooh-pooh's the supporters of her rival. And she does that constantly.

We can't have another 8 years, of government, where the will of the people is not being met. Changes have to be made & I don't see her willing to help make those changes happen. It will be her husband's presidency all over again. I was in my mid 30's in'92 and I didn't achieve success under his tutelage. I'm 59 now, and I need my government. I don't see her letting me rely on social security or medicare & whatever other social supports I may need.

stopbush

(24,399 posts)
205. Threats from the Sanders zealots that they won't vote for Hillary
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

can be safely ignored.

80% of Sanders voters polled say they will vote for Hillary. 20% of Rs will vote for Hillary. Many Rs will stay home and not vote for Trump.

Hillary needs to turn out the traditional D base to win. Indies never decide elections as they break evenly for both parties. To imagine that Hillary needs to beg for the vote of Sanders's zealots - especially those who say they won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance - is ludicrous.

The Sanders zealots have an inflated opinion of themselves and of their importance to a D being elected president this fall. But who can blame them when they've been fed a line of bs from BS that BS is the only candidate who has a chance against Trump in the fall, and that they - the Sanders zealots - have a higher moral mission than anyone else, etc etc.?

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
207. With all due respect..........
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:30 AM
May 2016

I think you're reading the Sanders "zealots" wrong. I think that what is being said, is that the Party has to be more in tune with its roots, i.e. FDR, and LBJ, than what has passed for a Democrat candidate in the past 20-25 years. Secretary Clinton and the DNC have to come to this realization also. Without this, we are just going through the motions, with no changes.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
209. No I don't.............
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

In regard to the ACA, I think that the Democrats didn't push hard enough and allowed Insurance Companies to sit down at the table and hash it out.

Yes there has been nothing but grief thrown at the President by the repugs, but I've seen a lot of disabandonment of house and senate seats by the DNC.

This is not a game, but that's what its played like.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
214. In toto.........
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

it's just not about the executive branch. It's too early to get into a pissing contest, with those who have difficulty discerning and understanding.

stopbush

(24,399 posts)
219. Ha! Interesting to have a Sanders supporter claiming others
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

don't understand when said supporters have difficulty understanding it's over for their candidate, and that the longer he continues to act as little more than an irritant to Hillary and the Party, the more he dilutes his own influence in the party.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
220. Last I saw & read, DU is a progressive, liberal Democrat site..........
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:54 PM
May 2016

& I think that Hillary and the DNC need to have an irritant, otherwise, things remain the same, stagnant & unprogressive.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
66. Before the vote Nate posted that he expected Bernie would be stronger than the polls showed
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

because the demographics (few minority voters) and open primary favored him. As it was, the most recent pre-election poll had a lead for her within the margin of error.

So Silver wasn't amazed or even surprised when Bernie had a 5 point win.

LiberalFighter

(51,389 posts)
45. So has The Green Papers
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

So I don't see how this is even newsworthy.

I was so confused when I saw it on MSNBC.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
46. of course it didn't cost her $2M or 2cents. Between the massive free press, Superpac spending, not
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

to mention that she's been running for prez since around 1992 and the DNC has loaded the scales with everything possible on her behalf, what's amazing is that she and her supporters have to do anything beyond be the poorest "winners" on the face of the earth

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. I haven't read the article but Washington the State hasn't elected their state delegates yet.
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

The Congressional District caucuses are scheduled for May 21. We've just wrapped up the Legislative Dist caucuses and voted for delegates for the CD caucuses.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
30. Delegates and Caucuser - We Don't Need No Stinking Delegates & Caucusers
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

What She wants, needs, desires and appears to have

is diehard loyalist vote counters and such

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
49. Absolutely and they aint done with their caucuses. The pricinct caususes can give us a
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

pretty good picture of what the final breakdown will but but it can change as we go from precinct caucuses to Leg Dist caucuses then on to Congressional District caucuses. I haven't investigated as to how the count changed between the precinct and Leg Dist caucuses. There was no change in my Leg Dist. Sanders 75% to Clinton 25%. Now off to the Congressional Dist caucuses on May 21.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
136. The final breakdown has been available for weeks.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

Washington State has a grand total of 101 delegates.

Projected totals as per Nate Silvers (March 2016)
Sanders's 74
Clinton 27

These projected totals were confirmed today. There are no magical Washington State democratic delegates that are yet to be allocated.

The only real thing that happened to the delegate count today is that Hillary netted 5 to Sanders 3, based on the final Indiana tallies and the contest in Guam. Sanders lost more ground today.

You kids really need to figure out how this actually works.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
70. That's what's silly. The numbers were reported long ago, as if all the delegates had already
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:47 PM
May 2016

been elected.

This is just another repeat of that.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
86. I hate to admit it to you but I have problems with the caucus system.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

Our Legislative Dist caucuses for the county were combined with the County Convention and it took approx 12 hours. From noon to midnight. It was heart warming that so many turned out, about 1,800, and a lot stayed the whole time. Got to meet some good people. And then we still have to go to another level. Having said all that, I also don't trust machine vote counting. Too easy to manipulate data.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
90. Thank you. And -- GOOD GRIEF!!!
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

Twelve hours! I wish there was some way to repay those volunteers who reluctantly agreed to represent us in the next level. They knew that someone had to do it or our votes wouldn't count. There has to be a better system.

So how do you feel about our paper, mail-in, scanned ballots for all the other elections? Why should a primary election (caucus) be the only exception?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
92. We started before noon. I got there at 12:15 and no parking left except in ditches and road sides.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

At 5:30 we had the precinct delegates counted and needed to elect the new delegates to go on to the next level (CD caucuses). In my LD the Sanders group had 160 volunteers that were running for delegate. We gave them one minute to introduce them selves. That took close to 3 hours. That's some dedicated volunteers.

I would entertain going to mail in for the primary. I do like the idea of getting 1,800 people off their butts and into a meeting of their party. Approx 1,500 of them were volunteers as delegates or other. If we went to mail in, I would try to figure out ways to get people to participate in their county party meetings.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
94. I think more people would be willing to participate -- I would -- if the meetings weren't so long.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

Well, thank you for going through all that, even if it was to represent another candidate. But I still wish we just used the primary our taxes are paying for.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
99. I believe there is a resolution to the State platform suggesting such. Support that at the State
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

Convention on June 18.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
139. As per The Stranger
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

Only 6% of the electorate was able to caucus in Washington.

That's why they've backed down on the super delegate demands. 75% of 6% isn't exactly the overwhelming majority that some were claiming.

Response to magical thyme (Original post)

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
32. The Pacific Northwest loves Bernie.
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

Hillary will probably launch an attack against us if she is prez.

(Sarcasm, okay?)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
52. Sadly that's probably more true than not. That's probably why the Wash Super-Duper Delegates are
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016

kissing up to her.

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
55. Not if you use regular math.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:21 PM
May 2016

She won 18 more from WA today, so that and her additional Guam delegate gets subtracted from his total.

Overall, Hillary has 1702 pledged delegates now to 1411 for Bernie.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
212. I don't understand the OP. How did Sanders get more delegates?
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:14 AM
May 2016

The OP implies that Sanders got 49 more of the 101 delegates for Wash the State. That's not at all true.

After the precinct caucuses I believe the predicted delegate allotment for the state was 74 Sanders and 27 Clinton. I don't know what the current prediction is after the results of the Legislative Caucuses but I doubt it changed much. The link you provided shows the Wash currently predicted results at 74 Sanders and 37 Clinton, but that totals 118 which isn't correct.

Help me out here.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
56. depends on whether you look at delegates officially awarded or projected to be awarded.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:22 PM
May 2016

Based on the more conservative # of those officially awarded, it knocks off about 15%.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
93. 49 is not the number that matters. What matters is the net delegates.
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

Clinton got 18 more delegates, so the net is 31. But 49 is a much more provocative headline, to make it look like they are neck and neck.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
104. No, they are not.
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

Remember that little meme "Superdelgates don't count"? It will be proven to be bullshit at the convention, where, in fact, superdelegates do count. Barring an unforseen, very unlikely turn of events, the first vote will come and the delegate totals (which will, and always did) include superdelegates. Then this media construct of a horserace will be proven to have ended some time ago.

(Here's a little hint, I'm not for either candidate, I'm for the nominee. I don't have your bias to see through)

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
116. You are still forgetting those pesky superdelegates, who despite your hopes and dreams, do count.
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

And barring something like Sanders taking all of California (which, face it, ain't gonna happen) the superdelegates are going to step in and vote the way they have always said they will.

Saying they don't don't was only ever pablum. Sure, Sanders still has a chance, but at this point it's approaching the odds of a meteor strike taking out the front runner. Least you sour grapes that into something I'm not saying, I'm not saying he should quit. I'm saying that his supporters should be preparing themselves for the likely outcome. Don't give up, but don't mortgage your house to donate it to his campaign.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
145. Those delegates have been calculated into the totals for months.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:08 PM
May 2016

The count is now
Clinton 1705 pledged delegates
Sanders 1420 pledged delegates

That includes the projected Washington delegates that were already counted into the totals in March and were simply confirmed today.

Hillary went up by two more delegates today based on the final Indiana tallies and the Guam contest. Nothing good happened to Sanders today. He lost ground.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
97. I believe this article is completely bogus. IMO and I have been participating as a precinct
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:29 PM
May 2016

delegate, Washington has not assigned or awarded any pledged delegates.

"The Vermont senator won the March 26 primary in a landslide, taking 25 of the 34 delegates awarded on election day."
This statement is totally false. Washington does have a primary and it is not until May 24. Ballots have been mailed.
On March 26 Washington the State held precinct caucuses, not a primary, the first of three steps to get to electing state delegates. Based on the votes at the precinct caucuses we were able to predict that Sanders would get about 72 - 74% of the state's delegates. That is a prediction. No delegates were awarded. We've just finished up with the second level (Leg Dist) and I would doubt that the overall percentages have changed. WE STILL HAVE NOT ELECTED ONE SINGLE STATE PLEDGED DELEGATE. In my LD the percentage for Sanders was 75%.
The above is how I see it. If someone has different information, please enlighten us.
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
101. I live in Seattle and just got may ballot today!
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

I'm confused as hell. WTF is going on? Does my vote not count?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
103. It looks like the tactic is to keep Bernie supporters from sending in ballots
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

Could backfire big time and probably will. Tweeters will take care of that.

strategery blunder

(4,225 posts)
119. WA voters passed an initiative to require primary elections some years ago
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

The Rs just use the primary result to determine their delegates.

The state Ds sued for the right to continue allocating their delegates by caucus, and won.

So WA state Dems have both a primary and a caucus. The caucus determines actual Dem delegate allocation; the primary is symbolic only.

LuvLoogie

(7,078 posts)
148. This result may not have affected Hillary's lead as these numbers
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

have been factored in the pledged count running totals. They may have actually been just estimated for Washington, but it looks like they gave been factored in.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
196. All the primaries and caucuses should be reevaluated
Sun May 8, 2016, 03:19 AM
May 2016

Of course, since there is not verifiable voting in most states, a real recount would be difficult. This primary should make all Americans demand verifiable voting.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
218. It sounds wonderful but the articles are total crap. Washington hasn't elected
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

ANY of their delegates for the national convention yet. We can project what their breakdown might be and that "projection" may have changed slightly as we move thru the process.

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