CIA Wanted 'Torture' Cage for Secret Prison: Official
Source: ABC News
CIA Wanted 'Torture' Cage for Secret Prison: Official
By RANDY KREIDER
June 22, 2012
A Polish official says that prosecutors have a construction order that proves the CIA wanted a cage for terror suspects built at a secret 'black site' prison inside Poland.
Senator Jozef Pinior claims Krakow prosecutors have a document that shows a local contractor was asked to build a cage at Stare Kiekuty, a Polish army based used as a CIA prison for al Qaeda terror suspects in 2002 and 2003.
"In a state with rights," Pinior told the Polish paper Gazeta Wyborcza, "people in prison are not kept in cages." He said a cage was "non-standard equipment" for a prison, but standard "if torture was used there."
Asked if he was sure the cage was for humans, he said, "What was it for? Exotic birds?" He said he has not seen the construction order, but that the Krakow prosecutor's office, which is investigating the prison, has a copy of it.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cia-wanted-torture-cage-secret-prison-official/story?id=16629646
2on2u
(1,843 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Light falls in and disappears.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)why not Halliburton, I bet they make fantastic torture cages.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Although it was short notice, a trailer was the best idea they could come up with.
Testimony in Halliburton-KBR rape trial
Alleges firefighters drugged, raped her in Iraq
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/texas/testimony-in-halliburton-kbr-rape-trial
Jones testified that after being examined by a military doctor, several KBR officials were crass towards her and tried to bully her into giving a statement about what happened and then locked her in a trailer with no food or water or way to call her family to tell them what had happened to her.
"I'm scared to death. I want my dad. He's my protector," Jones said. "As I'm banging on the door, I say I need to get out of here. I need a phone. I need to contact my dad."
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)and its games.
clang1
(884 posts)and I strongly believe that.
Solly Mack
(90,803 posts)Sigh
leveymg
(36,418 posts)All it takes is one King George the Lesser.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)and I approve these torture cages.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Maybe Eric Holder could take a break from raiding medical marijuana dispensaries and look into this? Or would that be a "stepping stone" to higher-level officials?
Priorities, no?
Edit to add: "Forward."
clang1
(884 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:24 AM - Edit history (1)
right down to that talking head woman that doesn't know if pot is worse than crack. While they also peddle weapons to Mexico and a US agent gets killed along with God knows how many Mexican citizens have been killed by the same US weapons. Nah. Something ain't right with this picture. None of it.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)uh, not very many
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Is it an excuse for why Obama has not conducted any investigations into torture? Should we wait until after the election? Am I being non-pragmatic by pushing for an issue that is not popular with the electorate? I bet that's it.
Well, go ahead and say it, unknown poster. Say it to this guy:
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"Pony."
clang1
(884 posts)and most people don't believe it....We'll see, though I hope I'm not around for it as in dead by then or moved elsewhere lol..........the progression continues..could be 10 years, maybe 20... maybe sooner. Meanwhile the slide will continue to progress....
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Stripped naked every night, Bradley Manning tells of prison ordeal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/11/stripped-naked-bradley-manning-prison
He also describes the experience of being stripped naked at night and made to stand for parade in the nude, a condition that continues to this day. "The guard told me to stand at parade rest, with my hands behind my back and my legs spaced shoulder-width apart. I stood at parade rest for about three minutes
The [brig supervisor] and the other guards walked past my cell. He looked at me, paused for a moment, then continued to the next cell. I was incredibly embarrassed at having all these people stare at me naked."
clang1
(884 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:25 PM - Edit history (3)
At Parade Rest with his _______ hanging out..... No. Uh Uh. And he is still an American Soldier. His tormentors mock the Traditions, Morals and Values of the United States Army. They spit on them. I just cannot get my head around this sickness.
These people in doing this Mock their own country. What are these people doing in the Miltary that they don't know this? How can they have not been taught this like I was when I served. Who are these people? Don't they know their country, don't they know their own history, don't they know the history of The Army !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are these people?
clang1
(884 posts)after all the pictures we've seen of what they have done or been involved in. It's completely depraved.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Obama called on the former general chairman of the RNC to stop Spain's investigation of US torture crimes.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/25/105786/wikileaks-how-us-tried-to-stop.html
MIAMI It was three months into Barack Obama's presidency, and the administration -- under pressure to do something about alleged abuses in Bush-era interrogation policies -- turned to a Florida senator to deliver a sensitive message to Spain:
Don't indict former President George W. Bush's legal brain trust for alleged torture in the treatment of war on terror detainees, warned Mel Martinez on one of his frequent trips to Madrid. Doing so would chill U.S.-Spanish relations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776?INTCMP=SRCH
6. (C) As reported in SEPTEL, Senator Mel Martinez, accompanied by the Charge d'Affaires, met Acting FM Angel Lossada during a visit to the Spanish MFA on April 15. Martinez and the Charge underscored that the prosecutions would not be understood or accepted in the U.S. and would have an enormous impact on the bilateral relationship. The Senator also asked if the GOS had thoroughly considered the source of the material on which the allegations were based to ensure the charges were not based on misinformation or factually wrong statements. Lossada responded that the GOS recognized all of the complications presented by universal jurisdiction, but that the independence of the judiciary and the process must be respected. The GOS would use all appropriate legal tools in the matter. While it did not have much margin to operate, the GOS would advise Conde Pumpido that the official administration position was that the GOS was "not in accord with the National Court." Lossada reiterated to Martinez that the executive branch of government could not close any judicial investigation and urged that this case not affect the overall relationship, adding that our interests were much broader, and that the universal jurisdiction case should not be viewed as a reflection of the GOS position.
Judd Gregg, Obama's Republican nominee for Commerce secretary, didn't like the investigations either.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/202776?INTCMP=SRCH
4. (C) As reported in REF A, Senator Judd Gregg, accompanied by the Charge d'Affaires, raised the issue with Luis Felipe Fernandez de la Pena, Director General Policy Director for North America and Europe during a visit to the Spanish MFA on April 13. Senator Gregg expressed his concern about the case. Fernandez de la Pena lamented this development, adding that judicial independence notwithstanding, the MFA disagreed with efforts to apply universal jurisdiction in such cases.
Why the aversion? To protect Bushco, of course!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/200177
The fact that this complaint targets former Administration legal officials may reflect a "stepping-stone" strategy designed to pave the way for complaints against even more senior officials.
Eric Holder got the message.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7410267&page=1
As lawmakers call for hearings and debate brews over forming commissions to examine the Bush administration's policies on harsh interrogation techniques, Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed to a House panel that intelligence officials who relied on legal advice from the Bush-era Justice Department would not be prosecuted.
"Those intelligence community officials who acted reasonably and in good faith and in reliance on Department of Justice opinions are not going to be prosecuted," he told members of a House Appropriations Subcommittee, reaffirming the White House sentiment. "It would not be fair, in my view, to bring such prosecutions."
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/cia-exhales-99-out-of-101-torture-cases-dropped/
This is how one of the darkest chapters in U.S. counterterrorism ends: with practically every instance of suspected CIA torture dodging criminal scrutiny. Its one of the greatest gifts the Justice Department could have given the CIA as David Petraeus takes over the agency.
Over two years after Attorney General Eric Holder instructed a special prosecutor, John Durham, to preliminar(ily) review whether CIA interrogators unlawfully tortured detainees in their custody, Holder announced on Thursday afternoon that hell pursue criminal investigations in precisely two out of 101 cases of suspected detainee abuse. Some of them turned out not to have involved CIA officials after all. Both of the cases that move on to a criminal phase involved the death in custody of detainees, Holder said.
But just because theres a further criminal inquiry doesnt necessarily mean there will be any charges brought against CIA officials involved in those deaths. If Holders decision on Thursday doesnt actually end the Justice Departments review of torture in CIA facilities, it brings it awfully close, as outgoing CIA Director Leon Panetta noted.
On this, my last day as Director, I welcome the news that the broader inquiries are behind us, Panetta wrote to the CIA staff on Thursday. We are now finally about to close this chapter of our Agencys history.
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html
Part I
Article 1
For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
This article is without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.
Article 2
Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.
Article 3
No State Party shall expel, return ("refouler" or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture.
For the purpose of determining whether there are such grounds, the competent authorities shall take into account all relevant considerations including, where applicable, the existence in the State concerned of a consistent pattern of gross, flagrant or mass violations of human rights.
Article 4
1. Each State Party shall ensure that all acts of torture are offences under its criminal law. The same shall apply to an attempt to commit torture and to an act by any person which constitutes complicity or participation in torture.
2. Each State Party shall make these offences punishable by appropriate penalties which take into account their grave nature.
Article 5
1. Each State Party shall take such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offences referred to in article 4 in the following cases:
1. When the offences are committed in any territory under its jurisdiction or on board a ship or aircraft registered in that State;
2. When the alleged offender is a national of that State;
3. When the victim was a national of that State if that State considers it appropriate.
2. Each State Party shall likewise take such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over such offences in cases where the alleged offender is present in any territory under its jurisdiction and it does not extradite him pursuant to article 8 to any of the States mentioned in Paragraph 1 of this article.
3. This Convention does not exclude any criminal jurisdiction exercised in accordance with internal law.
Article 6
1. Upon being satisfied, after an examination of information available to it, that the circumstances so warrant, any State Party in whose territory a person alleged to have committed any offence referred to in article 4 is present, shall take him into custody or take other legal measures to ensure his presence. The custody and other legal measures shall be as provided in the law of that State but may be continued only for such time as is necessary to enable any criminal or extradition proceedings to be instituted.
2. Such State shall immediately make a preliminary inquiry into the facts.
3. Any person in custody pursuant to paragraph 1 of this article shall be assisted in communicating immediately with the nearest appropriate representative of the State of which he is a national, or, if he is a stateless person, to the representative of the State where he usually resides.
4. When a State, pursuant to this article, has taken a person into custody, it shall immediately notify the States referred to in article 5, paragraph 1, of the fact that such person is in custody and of the circumstances which warrant his detention. The State which makes the preliminary inquiry contemplated in paragraph 2 of this article shall promptly report its findings to the said State and shall indicate whether it intends to exercise jurisdiction.
Article 7
1. The State Party in territory under whose jurisdiction a person alleged to have committed any offence referred to in article 4 is found, shall in the cases contemplated in article 5, if it does not extradite him, submit the case to its competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution.
2. These authorities shall take their decision in the same manner as in the case of any ordinary offence of a serious nature under the law of that State. In the cases referred to in article 5, paragraph 2, the standards of evidence required for prosecution and conviction shall in no way be less stringent than those which apply in the cases referred to in article 5, paragraph 1.
3. Any person regarding whom proceedings are brought in connection with any of the offences referred to in article 4 shall be guaranteed fair treatment at all stages of the proceedings.
Article 8
1. The offences referred to in article 4 shall be deemed to be included as extraditable offences in any extradition treaty existing between States Parties. States Parties undertake to include such offences as extraditable offences in every extradition treaty to be concluded between them.
2. If a State Party which makes extradition conditional on the existence of a treaty receives a request for extradition from another State Party with which it has no extradition treaty, it may consider this Convention as the legal basis for extradition in respect of such offenses. Extradition shall be subject to the other conditions provided by the law of the requested State.
3. States Parties which do not make extradition conditional on the existence of a treaty shall recognize such offences as extraditable offences between themselves subject to the conditions provided by the law of the requested state.
4. Such offences shall be treated, for the purpose of extradition between States Parties, as if they had been committed not only in the place in which they occurred but also in the territories of the States required to establish their jurisdiction in accordance with article 5, paragraph 1.
Article 9
1. States Parties shall afford one another the greatest measure of assistance in connection with civil proceedings brought in respect of any of the offences referred to in article 4, including the supply of all evidence at their disposal necessary for the proceedings.
2. States Parties shall carry out their obligations under paragraph 1 of this article in conformity with any treaties on mutual judicial assistance that may exist between them.
clang1
(884 posts)re: CIA Allegedly Ordered Torture Cage at Secret Black Site Prison
I can't see that the fucking thing was built but it would have been some justice if we ever got these people into a court room and could have put them into their own cage during the trials. Other torture facilities with cells have been found in Poland btw. Find your own links
Did the CIA run torture prison 'black site' in Poland?
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/cia-black-sites/47579/did-cia-run-torture-prison-black-site-poland#ixzz1yZxajGGU
Torture cage
"Is this standard for a prison? Yes, if it's one where torture was used," the senator claimed in an interview with the newspaper. "In a country where there is rule of law, normal prisons do not keep people in cages."
Poland Probes CIA Black Site Prison
http://consortiumnews.com/2012/04/21/poland-probes-cia-black-site-prison/
The EP reminded its member states that the prohibition of torture is a peremptory norm of international law (jus cogens) from which no derogation is possible, and criticized European countries may have received, knowingly or unknowingly, information obtained under torture.
Poland, Poland, Poland so eager to join the West, protect their new freedoms, that they played with the Devil. Glad not everyone is asleep there and I hope those interested in justice continue to move forward. This stuff is not going away. You don't just shit on the rest of the world like these people have done and get away with it.
When will people wake up, 9-11 did not happen because of We the People, it happened because of our government and what it does in the world. That's just my opinion, and fact so far as We the People. I am sick of taking it on the chin for suited thugs.
It would not surprise me that they wanted a cage for filming purposes as well. We all know the types of videos the CIA enjoys watching. Remember that folks.....
U.S. Says C.I.A. Destroyed 92 Tapes of Interrogations
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/washington/03web-intel.html
When does it stop people? We are dealing with pure f'ing evil here.
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clang1
(884 posts)24601
(3,967 posts)on the overseas kill list.
24601
(3,967 posts)clang1
(884 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,707 posts)Rhiannon12866
(207,016 posts)In the name of "the war on terror?"
clang1
(884 posts)T.W.A.T and wars of choice is just the latest scam to replace the exploitation associated with fighting communism. Pure and simple.
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clang1
(884 posts)along with a link to the other thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014150161
USA For the International Criminal Court
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Constituent contact is vital to the legislative process. National polls consistently find that between 60-70% of Americans support the U.S. joining the ICC, but our leaders do not hear enough from these pro-ICC constituents. For example, after Congress passed the anti-ICC American Servicemembers Protection Act (ASPA) in 2002, some congressional staffers admitted that anti-ICC letters played a key role in their members' decision to support ASPA. Some offices received as few as 15 or 25 such letters, but they made a difference because there were virtually no pro-ICC letters to balance them out. This is why we need your voice, too. ----
We can fight people. Never give up or let them discourage you into thinking nothing can be done about them.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)That only occurs when giving retroactive immunity to telecommunication companies that conspire with the government to collect all our phone calls, emails, etc.
clang1
(884 posts)that the torture tapes were being destroyed by Rodriguez and his sleezy buddies. Shit.
Why Jose Rodriquez Should Be In Prison, Not On A Book Tour
http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/04/25/why-jose-rodriquez-should-be-in-prison-not-on-a-book-tour/
As Marcy noted, Adam Goldman and Matt Apuzzo of the AP have gotten their hands on an early copy of Jose Rodriquezs new screed book, Hard Measures. The one substantive point of interest in their report involves the destruction of the infamous torture tapes. What they relate Rodriquez saying in his book is not earth shattering nor particularly new in light of all the reporting of the subject over the years, but it is still pretty pretty arrogant and ugly to the rule of law:
My God.
This fucking cage was for filming and keeping the torturer and victim together in an environment both intimate for the torturer/victim and to evoke a sense of no possibility for escape by the victim.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Hilary Clinton's State Department is funding a black site in Mogadishu. Do you think that place is decorated by Ethan Allen?
We all knew what Rodriguez was doing. It was reported. Nobody that could take action cared.
clang1
(884 posts)Yes. It does elsewhere though. She certainly does have the world by the tail. None of this will ever be forgotten.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)The Torture Archive
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/torture_archive/index.htm