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Zorro

(15,760 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 02:32 PM Jul 2016

Taiwan accidentally fires missile towards China, hitting trawler

Source: AFP

A Taiwanese warship mistakenly launched a supersonic "aircraft carrier killer" missile towards China on Friday, hitting a fishing boat and killing one person, the navy said, as ties between the island and its once bitter rival deteriorate.

The Hsiung-feng III (Brave Wind) missile flew about 75 kilometres (45 miles) before hitting the trawler in waters off Penghu, a Taiwanese-administered island group in the Taiwan Strait.

The skipper on the Taiwanese 60-tonne trawler was killed and three other crew on board, including a Vietnamese and a Filipino, were injured.

"An initial investigation showed that the incident has caused the death of the skipper," Taiwan's defence ministry spokesman Chen Chung-chi told reporters.

Read more: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/taiwan-mistakenly-fires-carrier-killer-missile-towards-china-053704875.html



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Taiwan accidentally fires missile towards China, hitting trawler (Original Post) Zorro Jul 2016 OP
At least it didn't go off on impact. NWCorona Jul 2016 #1
If it were a Chinese ship or sailor IronLionZion Jul 2016 #2
Taiwan isn't Tibet Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #3
That's good to know. I didn't know Taiwan was so heavily fortified. IronLionZion Jul 2016 #4
China's military is not to be taken lightly Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #5
The Chinese military is a paper tiger. Very big, but poorly trained and not really disciplined Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #8
I think the whole point of my posts was to suggest that Taiwan and its allies Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #9
Different time. Mao had a massive cult of personality that the average Chinese believed and Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #10
You might be right Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #11
Remember, I am on the ground in China. I have lived here since 2008. Feeling the Bern Jul 2016 #12
Sounds like the CCP is about to experience the modern version of "losing the mandate of heaven"... Odin2005 Jul 2016 #16
I'm not sure if this is true now cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2016 #13
It's still true Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #21
That's really fascinating! I'd love to know more about those underground bases! Odin2005 Jul 2016 #14
Here you go... Downtown Hound Jul 2016 #20
Awesome, thanks! Odin2005 Jul 2016 #22
So that's how the world ends sangfroid Jul 2016 #6
Exactly..... paleotn Jul 2016 #7
The world ended? Damn... I missed it. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #23
"Hsiung-feng III" Taiwan still uses the Wade-Giles romanization? Odin2005 Jul 2016 #15
Apparently... EX500rider Jul 2016 #18
It would be funny if not for the loss of life. truthisfreedom Jul 2016 #17
Damn WhoWoodaKnew Jul 2016 #19

IronLionZion

(45,674 posts)
2. If it were a Chinese ship or sailor
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jul 2016

all hell would break lose. Taiwan might be the newest Chinese province, kind of like how they handled Tibet.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
3. Taiwan isn't Tibet
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jul 2016

They have some serious firepower on that island. 250,000 regular troops and more than a million more in reserve, armed with modern American made weapons. They've had 60+ years to turn that island into a fortress, and they've done just that. They are rumored to have high tech, underground bases everywhere and even hollowed out mountains storing aircraft and supplies. The western half of the country is cliffs and rainforests which leaves only the eastern side sufficient for amphibious landings, and every inch of them has been pre-sighted with artillery. The terrain of Taiwan is sprawling, teeming cities, huge plains, and thick rain forests, perfect for guerrilla warfare.

If China ever tries to invade, they better be prepared to lose A LOT of troops. Like hundreds of thousands, maybe more. And that's without America and Japan intervening, which both countries likely would. Japan certainly isn't going to want to see a mainland dominated Taiwan, and the U.S. is obliged by treaty to defend it. You saw how much trouble we had in Iraq against a few hundred thousand guerrillas with home made bombs and RPG's. China would face about a thousand times worse in Taiwan.

IronLionZion

(45,674 posts)
4. That's good to know. I didn't know Taiwan was so heavily fortified.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jul 2016

I was thinking China has the largest army and haven't used it recently. They have been doing lots of exercises and are prepared for something. We don't know what they are capable of.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
5. China's military is not to be taken lightly
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jul 2016

But they still lag far behind the U.S. in ships, air power, armor, and attack helicopters. The single greatest thing China has going for them right now is their missile arsenal, which is quite large and powerful. But in an actual war against the U.S., Taiwan, Japan, and whoever else got involved, those missiles are going to be depleted very quickly. ANd when gone, they'd have to face the combined strength of Japan, America, and still take Taiwan. Not an easy proposal by any means.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
8. The Chinese military is a paper tiger. Very big, but poorly trained and not really disciplined
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jul 2016

Don't believe the shit they broadcast. I've watched the army in China living here. They can't even line up in a straight line, they can't keep their uniforms clean and unstained and they barely listen to their officers.

And the officers are usually the sons of high up party members that, when you speak to them when they are out socially as I have, are some of the dumbest people on military tactics and war. They get promoted due to longevity in the PLA, not because they earned it.

One colonel I spoke to in Hefei told me his father paid off generals to get his promotions.

We're afraid of this???

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
9. I think the whole point of my posts was to suggest that Taiwan and its allies
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jul 2016

are more than capable of handling China, so I don't know where you got the afraid from. However, I will say that one thing you never want to do is underestimate anybody. America once thought that China would never have the guts or the ability to challenge us in Korea. We paid a heavy price for it.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
10. Different time. Mao had a massive cult of personality that the average Chinese believed and
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:53 AM - Edit history (1)

worshipped.

Xi Jinping, not too much. . .and with their economy about to tank, Xi is itching for a war as a distraction so he and the CCP can keep their "death grip on life."

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
11. You might be right
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jul 2016

And you might not be. Hope you are. But like I said, it's can be dangerous to underestimate anybody. At the same time, it's important not to give in to fear and hysteria.

13. I'm not sure if this is true now
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jul 2016

But when my parents were growing up in Taiwan in the 1950s and 60s, military service was compulsory. The entire population knew how to fight.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
21. It's still true
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jul 2016

And apparently I underestimated the size of Taiwan's active military by about 40,000 and the size of their reserves by about 2 million. That's more than 3 million troops that would be waiting for China if they invaded. Have fun China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Armed_Forces

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
14. That's really fascinating! I'd love to know more about those underground bases!
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jul 2016

That's some video game level stuff!

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
22. Awesome, thanks!
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016


I think a lot of us here in the West don't really realized that Taiwan is now pretty much a developed country like South Korea is.
 

sangfroid

(212 posts)
6. So that's how the world ends
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jul 2016

With a bang because the Taiwanese can't keep their weapons locked down. This is one of the reasons the peace movement can't just concentrate on nukes, but all the modern weapons like this.

paleotn

(18,015 posts)
7. Exactly.....
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jul 2016

...the thinking has always been, and I think correctly so, it starts conventional, but can easily escalate to a nuclear exchange. In the nuclear age, war of any kind is the enemy for exactly that reason.

EX500rider

(10,893 posts)
18. Apparently...
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jul 2016
Taiwan has used Wade–Giles for decades as the de facto standard, co-existing with several official but obscure romanizations in succession, namely, Gwoyeu Romatzyh (1928), Mandarin Phonetic Symbols II (1986), and Tongyong pinyin (2000). With the election of the Kuomintang party in Taiwan in 2008, Taiwan officially switched to Hanyu pinyin. However, people in Taiwan, both native and overseas, use or transcribe their legal names in the Wade–Giles system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade%E2%80%93Giles
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