Cleveland Police Ask For Emergency Suspension Of Open Carry Laws During Republican Convention
Source: Think Progress
Ohio is an open carry state which allows gun owners to carry them in plain sight. People have been exercising this right around the site of the Republican convention:
Strangely, in the area around the convention, tennis balls, metal-tipped umbrellas or canned goods are prohibited. But AR-15s or other firearms are not. But now, the Cleveland Police Union has made an emergency request to suspend open carry for the duration of the Republican convention.
We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something I dont care if its constitutional or not at this point, Cleveland Police Union president Stephen Loomis told CNN.
The request may be related to the violence in Baton Rogue, where three police officers were killed today. (Loomis also blamed Obama for those shootings, saying he had blood on his hands.)
The request will put Governor Kasich in an awkward position. In general Republicans argue that open-carry laws are an important party of the right to bear arms and improve public safety. The research does not support this argument.
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/17/3799163/cleveland-police-ask-emergency-suspension-open-carry-laws-republican-convention/
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)Put your money where your mouth is.
Bunch of chicken-shit hypocrites.
I've also heard Trump (Mr. "I will get rid of gun-free zones in schools" doesn't allow guns on most of his properties. The hypocrisy is off the charts.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Just reported on MSNBC from the NYT.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)It's the police union, and I think their request is perfectly reasonable.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)The GOP deserves to have a massive shootout with all of their 2nd amendment "fans"...some one call Sharon Angle and have her come to Cleveland for some 2nd amendment remedies.
Wouldn't open carry just "make everyone safer"? I don't get it.
former9thward
(32,181 posts)because the GOP is not for it.
It is the Cleveland Police Chief who called for it.
sarae
(3,284 posts)He has said that Obama "has blood on his hands" and wondered "How the hell did we ever become the bad guys in this country?"
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)but PLEASE PROTECT the scumbag sleazeballs who make the insane condition exist.
I say No, HELL NO! You fuckers OWN THIS! Live with it the way you want our entire country to.
Chemisse
(30,829 posts)I don't understand why they won't let the 'good guys with guns' into the convention itself!
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)a historic, cluster-fuck never witnessed in political history. A Massive, flaming fireball of failure.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)As someone who lives in Cleveland I'd prefer no bloodshed in my streets. Maybe we can have that in your town instead??
chillfactor
(7,595 posts)did not choose your town.....and with all the crazies walking around with guns.......there may be blood on the streets......I hope not but the country is very volatile right now and far too many unstable people carrying guns. .
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)But saying that you want a train wreck...which I take as in bloodshed...I hope the fuck not. I know numerous Cleveland Cops, I know numerous friends who are business owners and residents of downtown. I'd prefer they don't get fucking killed thank you. So no. I do NOT hope it is a trainwreck.
chillfactor
(7,595 posts)I saw none of that in my post. i was SAYING with all of the guns floating around OUTSIDE the convention hall.....many unstable people may be carrying guns.
TacoD
(581 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)You are taking what people are writing to your own next level. You need to calm down and quit putting your own words in other people's mouths. You are accusing others of things they never wrote or intended.
Paladin
(28,290 posts)There's a price to be paid for allowing the likes of Donald Trump to take control of a political party. Let the repubs tender payment in Cleveland.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)chillfactor
(7,595 posts)the rethugs I believe are in deep shit....and with all the guns floating around outside I fear opposing supporters may end up shooting each other......and do not forget the Hells Angels bikers will be there as well...to "protect" dumdum and his supporters.
lastlib
(23,394 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Not Allowed to...
Couldnt he call for an emergency session of State Govt.. do get this fucking done.?
Instead this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/17/kasich-i-can-t-ban-open-carry-at-rnc.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)The Secret Service will control the venue and its immediate vicinity - no weapons allowed.
It's just the rest of Cleveland that will remain an open-carry zone.
Mendocino
(7,533 posts)has "blood on his hands". This in a city where Tamir Rice was shot by the police.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Just another ignorant stupid old white guy...Spitting obscenities.
ladym55
(2,577 posts)He makes every police officer look stupid every time he opens his mouth. He does that with far too much regularity, and Cleveland media happily stick a mic in his face to record his every word.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)To ban guns at the convention in an 'open carry' state would be "duplicitous."
"If it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun" what are they doing when they disarm the good guys?
Now, this argument didn't work at this years NRA convention, but Fox is sure to line up with the nutters anyway!
'Cause, you know, "Obama."
cstanleytech
(26,368 posts)civil lawsuit ending in the city having to pay out millions in damages.
christx30
(6,241 posts)What other rights would be be willing to suspend because they are inconvenient?
cstanleytech
(26,368 posts)disaster but I dont make the rules or the laws
christx30
(6,241 posts)In the event of a Dallas type of shooting, I can't think of a better way to make things worse for the police than a bunch of non uniformed people walking around holding long guns.
Remember that one gentleman holding his weapon. His picture spread around the world as a suspect for well over an hour before word came down that he wasn't. A nut bag could have shot him, trying to play hero.
Another innocent man dies on the alter of open carry and the second amendment.
7962
(11,841 posts)Unless all the protest groups start shooting amongst themselves
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)why even have the cops there. With all the bad assed well trained gun owners there, talkin shit and sportin their iron it should be the safest place on the planet. Kind of a cozy little brotherhood. BWWAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAA. What a bunch of hypocrites.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Let the cops who would have worked the convention have a week off.
YES !!!!
Akamai
(1,779 posts)What could possibly go wrong?
Chemisse
(30,829 posts)Just ask him!
phylny
(8,397 posts)Let the good guys with the guns take care of it.
jpak
(41,761 posts)Why would they want to turn the town into a "gun free zone"???
The convention-goers would be helpless against muslin terror and BLM thugs!!!!!!111111
840high
(17,196 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)AKing
(511 posts)The horror..the horror!
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)"...
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"I don't care what the legal precedent is, I feel strongly that leadership needs to stand up and defend these police officers," Steve Loomis, the head of the police union, told Reuters in an interview at the union's headquarters on Sunday. The four-day convention is due to begin on Monday.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-firearms-idUSKCN0ZX0TI
Jesus H. Christ man, what about all of the other people all of the rest of the time. NOW try to understand what is being said about rational gun control.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)dbonds
(4,793 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Open carry, concealed carry (should be called closed carry), Long guns(why aren't there short guns), bare arms,
big mag, little mag, auto-, semi auto, sort of auto-, WEAPON, "fire arms"...There's a whole dictionary.....
It minds the boggle....
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Asks for Republican governor to suspend Republican backed open carry law at Republican convention. Blames Obama for gun violence. Gives Bradical79 a headache.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Asks for Republican governor to suspend Republican backed open carry law at Republican convention.
It's part of the Constitution of the Sate of Ohio, and always has been.
Ohio has always been a traditional Open Carry state.
Always.
That is why no one short of amending the state constitution can do anything to stop it from happening, they would be breaking the law so hard not one court would support them.
The police union chief is an absolute moron to even say this, he wants the ability to ignore any law that he doesn't like at the moment.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)You agreed with me. The chief is an idiot. And do the Republicans not back open carry?
barbtries
(28,824 posts)blaming the president for the murder of cops? they never, ever look in the mirror, do they?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)of the police. Didn't you know that?
vkkv
(3,384 posts)STUPID FRIGGIN' RIGHT WING IDIOT LAWMAKERS writing STUPID FRIGGIN' RIGHT WING IDIOT LAWS.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)The sc has ruled on this. Guns have been restricted and banned throughout our history. Citizens have been disarmed. I don't see why it can't be done in this situation. We're going to see the oath keepers and new black panthers open carry in cleveland. What, me worry?
Firestorm49
(4,044 posts)Well boo hoo! The gun mongers don't want any guns around the GOP convention? So what is it, Mr. LaPierre? Are you going to stand by your balls and defend the rights that you have forced, or will you pussy out?
What a frickin joke.
marybourg
(12,650 posts)can declare martial law and suspend the constitutional right to carry weapons, if he wants to, and if his state constitution allows it, which it probably does.
cheyanne
(733 posts)Chemisse
(30,829 posts)If he gets involved - even slightly - the impending cluster-fuck will be considered all his fault.
Marthe48
(17,152 posts)I am going to be surprised and delighted. The pieces are in place to make the Chicago Convention look like a tea party. My poor home town.
7962
(11,841 posts)Dont they realize that crowds of violent protests are just going to push MORE people to Trump??
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)I have heard the NBPP are going to march on Cleveland with AR15's strapped on their back... Volatile situation right there folks. My guess is the police will fire first and ask questions later, won't end well.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)"I don't care if it's constitutional or not" > police union president
TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)and for more restricted access to firearms. There are plenty of military folks that feel the same way. Semi-automatic weapons should not be in the hands of untrained civilians.
marybourg
(12,650 posts)But I'm old enough to remember them being for it for many years, going back to at least the early 70's and probably earlier. "Law and Order" were the big watchwords.
Godspeed_Democrats
(30 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)How is this even a question?
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)Well, it's a moot point now; since Kasich says he "doesn't have the authority"
(See reply # 2)
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)The RNC is designated as a National Special Security Event by the US Department of Homeland Security, which entitled Cleveland to a $50 million federal grant toward its security plan. According to bids the city has posted to its website and reports from local news outlets, so far Cleveland has spent the money on:
◾2,000 sets of riot gear
◾2,000 steel batons
◾325 sets of tactical armor
◾300 patrol bicycles, with accompanying riot gear
◾25 rifle scopes
◾10,000 flexible handcuffs
Other supplies include bulletproof helmets, pepper spray, two-point slings (used to carry rifles) and inmate mattresses. The Cleveland PD also asked the Chicago Police Department to loan it three bearcats, and Taser International is loaning the department 300 body cameras that can be attached to riot suits. The city also put out a bid for tear gas, according to the Washington Post, and it recently upped its protest insurance coverage from $9.5 million to $50 million.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/cleveland-police-department-rnc-military-equipment
Paladin
(28,290 posts)Let them deal with what they've brought about at their convention. No exceptions.
elleng
(131,459 posts)liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)Not that I see all the guns as a good thing, I think calling for a ban now is completely hypocritical and will forever destroy their more guns meme.
I personally fear a bloodbath in the streets of Cleveland.
applegrove
(118,965 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Open carry and brandishing are two different things. One is legal, the other is not.
Most folks holding a gun in their hands could easily be charged with brandishing.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Paladin
(28,290 posts)Kind of like they still need their mammas' help in getting dressed in the morning.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Here, carry this potential for absolute carnage into a situation with the potential for conflict and confrontation. What could go wrong?
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)See your state laws for details.
Paladin
(28,290 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Really now, I think I'm beginning to understand how the police can ignore my other constitutional rights as well.
OnlinePoker
(5,730 posts)Lumber larger than 2 inches in width and 1/4 of an inch thick, including supports for signs
Metal, plastic, or other hard material larger than 3/4 quarters thick and 1/8 of an inch in wall thickness including pipe and tubing
Air rifles
Air pistols
Paintball guns
Blasting caps
Switchblade knives...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/cleveland-convention-guns-event-zone/
ericson00
(2,707 posts)it will help Hillary in the polls bigly.
Honestly, how effin stupid do you have to be to let emotional and potentially drunk people (given the alcohol they serve at these things) run around with guns? Almost like "drunk college students at the frat house or bar should have guns."
lastlib
(23,394 posts)Maybe that time is coming.
Ms.Lib
(131 posts)I'm sure the NRA is having a hissy fit over that request. God forbit should someones 2nd amendment rights get violated. I'm just curious how many of the NRA's congressional b*itches will be squirming in their seats knowing how many of their gun toting crazies are running around outside.
willstand
(1 post)this should definitely be done
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)but the union boss hinted that they would just arrest open carriers anyway.
elias7
(4,039 posts)Why is it ok to ask for special protection for one group but not for any other group at any other time? Especially since that is the group that favors and fosters open carry. What ironic bullshit.
Nitram
(22,985 posts)I thought we'd be safer if we all carried guns? I love it. The governor said he wouldn't (and couldn't) suspend the law. That would require martial law. Of course, we might get there before this is over. Takes me back to 1968...