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Galraedia

(5,031 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:14 PM Jun 2012

Rand Paul Fetal Personhood Amendment Stalls Flood Insurance Bill

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) moved this week to hold a noncontroversial flood insurance bill hostage until the Senate agrees that life begins at fertilization.

The bill, which would financially boost the National Flood Insurance Program on the cusp of hurricane season, had been expected to pass easily in the Senate. But since Paul on Monday offered an unrelated "fetal personhood" amendment, which would give legal protections to fetuses from the moment of fertilization, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is threatening to halt progress on the legislation.

"I'm told last night that one of our Republican senators wants to offer an amendment -- listen to this one -- wants to offer an amendment on when life begins," Reid said on the Senate floor Tuesday. "I am not going to put up with that on flood insurance. I can be condemned by outside sources; my friends can say, 'Let them have a vote on it.' There will not be a vote on that on flood insurance. We'll either do flood insurance with the amendments that deal with flood insurance, or we won't do it. We'll have an extension."

Reid has allowed Republicans to attach unrelated amendments to other important bills in the past few months. Most notably, he let the Senate vote on a contraception-related amendment, proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), to a transportation bill. But Reid called Paul's measure "ridiculous" and "outlandish," and asked Republicans to deal with him on "their side of the aisle."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/rand-paul-fetal-personhood-flood-insurance_n_1628128.html

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Rand Paul Fetal Personhood Amendment Stalls Flood Insurance Bill (Original Post) Galraedia Jun 2012 OP
Oh, I'm sorry lordsummerisle Jun 2012 #1
I thought the same thing SoutherDem Jun 2012 #7
I'm sorry too Scairp Jun 2012 #14
I heard that many UglyGreed Jun 2012 #33
what a dick........n/t dhill926 Jun 2012 #2
I am sure this makes all those RWingers in FL happy!! nt nanabugg Jun 2012 #39
I'm sure God won't let him drown. aquart Jun 2012 #3
Of course not. He's a GOP/TeaParty/Libertarian. They're special. freshwest Jun 2012 #11
The unforgiving hateful god that he worships would hold him under until he proved he wasn't a witch. The Wielding Truth Jun 2012 #45
Democrats can not appease republicans in the hopes that they will be more cooperative in the future notadmblnd Jun 2012 #4
He should've grown a spine like two or three goddamn years ago 47of74 Jun 2012 #6
I agree, Harry has been a wimp notadmblnd Jun 2012 #9
We have to make all of Congress afraid to cross us. Corruption can't stay if we push it out. The Wielding Truth Jun 2012 #46
They're not appeasing them. They're on the same team. nt valerief Jun 2012 #12
Bullshit. Dem Senators are not salivating to give eggs personhood. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #31
Even blue dogs? They're Repubs in sheep's clothing. nt valerief Jun 2012 #41
what an effing stooge! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #5
Repigs have a big problem... Grassy Knoll Jun 2012 #8
sure they have a probblem. Especially if a big storm comes along and destroys homes and people have notadmblnd Jun 2012 #10
How can this jerk call himself a libertarian when he wants to enslave women's bodies? SunSeeker Jun 2012 #13
Rand/Ron Paul only care about "freedom" on the nat'l level, and for millionaires. Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #17
He defines a fertilized egg as a person. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #20
Ayn Rand is turning over in her grave fasttense Jun 2012 #36
Vote Rand Paul!! Destroying America one Bill at a time!!! cstanleytech Jun 2012 #15
My fear and utter terror HeiressofBickworth Jun 2012 #16
Same here HockeyMom Jun 2012 #27
You were and "Heiress" potentially was a victim of... AlbertCat Jun 2012 #38
Marco Rubio was complaining on the Daily SHow Mz Pip Jun 2012 #18
So what did Stewart say to this? Scairp Jun 2012 #19
They went back and forth for twenty minutes. Ash_F Jun 2012 #23
He ALMOST came across as reasonable. randome Jun 2012 #32
ya I guess Rand can afford to do this his constituents in KY have little concern over hurricanes azurnoir Jun 2012 #21
Congrats to 'Senator' Rand Paul... Norbert Jun 2012 #22
why is he expanding the power of the government? I thought he was against that? SemperEadem Jun 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Lawlbringer Jun 2012 #25
Why stop there? Lawlbringer Jun 2012 #26
Don't forget the Paul boys are darlings of Operation Rescue Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #28
There is nothing (other than historical precedent) to prevent the two chambers.. Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #29
Come on now, Randroid, Paul. Wolf Frankula Jun 2012 #30
THere needs to be a law to stop these lil time bombs. LynneSin Jun 2012 #34
Harry Reid got mad enough to call Rand Paul out csziggy Jun 2012 #35
This is how Idiots finance their campaigns eringer Jun 2012 #37
Ah, there's the batshit crazy religious right in action. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #40
Let it expire SpartanDem Jun 2012 #42
A preview of coming attractions. n/t AngryOldDem Jun 2012 #43
Good rtracey Jun 2012 #44

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
7. I thought the same thing
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:39 PM
Jun 2012

You know it is really bad when you can't tell the difference between the onion and real Republican bills.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
14. I'm sorry too
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:30 PM
Jun 2012

I was born in Kentucky and I'm beyond sorry those voters elected this imbecile. I honestly thought he was too much of a clown even for the most redneck Kentucky resident but I guess I was wrong.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
33. I heard that many
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jun 2012

Paulites moved from TX to Kentucky to get this Ron Paul mini me me me elected. But Rand Ayn Paul is not like his dad

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
45. The unforgiving hateful god that he worships would hold him under until he proved he wasn't a witch.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:47 PM
Jun 2012

Gees, these fools really don't have a clue what Jesus taught.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
4. Democrats can not appease republicans in the hopes that they will be more cooperative in the future
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
Jun 2012

Every time they do, the republicans double down and demand more. If Dems give them an inch, then they take a mile. Good on Harry Reid, this shit needs to stop- they have already given too much of the store away.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
9. I agree, Harry has been a wimp
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:42 PM
Jun 2012

Some have been yelling for years the Dems need to grow spines. However, they are immediately drowned out by the "we must take the high road or we are no better" crowd.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
8. Repigs have a big problem...
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:40 PM
Jun 2012

And hats off to libertarians, teabaggers and Koch suckers for destroying the old white
male grandpa GOPERS. We couldn't have done it with out you.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
10. sure they have a probblem. Especially if a big storm comes along and destroys homes and people have
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:44 PM
Jun 2012

no flood ins. We can then all point and say, You can thank Rand Paul for that.

SunSeeker

(51,819 posts)
13. How can this jerk call himself a libertarian when he wants to enslave women's bodies?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:29 PM
Jun 2012

Just like his creepy dad, Ron Paul, who is also virulently anti-choice and homophobic and racist. These "libertarians" just want to be free to force you to do what THEY want, i.e. be free to force their prejudices on you. Religious wingnut assholes.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
17. Rand/Ron Paul only care about "freedom" on the nat'l level, and for millionaires.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:52 PM
Jun 2012

On the state level, they can be real tyrants. Libertarians have the nerve to say that Obama wants to "take away our freedom", even though he has zero interest in enacting anti-choice and anti-gay policies like how the two Pauls want to do.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. He defines a fertilized egg as a person.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 AM
Jun 2012

As a person, it is entirely consistent with libertarian philosophy to protect it, in that context.

However, the problem is, they are using their religious bullshit to define it, not science. They think it has a 'soul' and thus is a person, even though it's not even divided into a dozen cells yet. And that's just not going to fly anymore. A multi celled blastocyst is clearly NOT a person. It doesn't even contain any cells that will become the person. It's a collection of cells that will go about constructing a person, given time, materials, and favorable conditions and doesn't necessarily have any clear boolean 'person/not a person' milestones.

But good luck telling them that.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
36. Ayn Rand is turning over in her grave
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:53 AM
Jun 2012

Really, she was a woman and she would be having a fit about declaring her womb, and what happens to be in it, ruled and controlled by big government.

She was all for the individual doing any selfish thing they want with NO Government regulations. Declaring a tiny clump of cells that are in a womb a person would have been clearly anti-Libertarian in her view. She would Never have gone for this kind of crap. She hated religion and would have had an abortion just to prove a point.

cstanleytech

(26,365 posts)
15. Vote Rand Paul!! Destroying America one Bill at a time!!!
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:03 PM
Jun 2012

Oh, or "Vote Rand Paul!!! The American Taliban candidate!!!"

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
16. My fear and utter terror
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:42 PM
Jun 2012

of these "personhood" bills relates to the unintended (or maybe not) consequences. My particular concern, as I've detailed on DU before, is in the area of ectopic (tubal) pregnancies. The fertilized egg sticks in the fallopian tube where it grows, stretches the tube, ruptures and causes the host (mother) to bleed to death internally. Only surgical intervention (removal of the tube and egg) can save her life -- I should know -- it happened to me and because of a doctor who didn't believe in such nonsense, they prepared the operating room at midnight and took me right in. I survived. Under the draconian personhood laws which allow for no exceptions to the removal of a fertilized egg, women like me would not survive. This is further proof of the War Against Women.

I appreciate Reid trying to keep it out of the insurance bill, but somewhere, somehow, someone needs to take on the issue of how dangerous the personhood theory is in the first place.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
27. Same here
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jun 2012

but I was not as fortunate as you being in catholic hopital. I had to wait almost 24 hours, and my tube had ruptured. "We don't do abortions". What these insane people say is let the situation resolve itself rather than doing ANY abortion. What does this mean? Let the tube RUPTURE, and then try to save the life of the woman. How many women would die because of this? The embryo, and one that has ZERO chance of survival, is worth more than a living breathing woman.

Very frigthening, and ignornant of the complications of pregnancy.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
38. You were and "Heiress" potentially was a victim of...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jun 2012

.... stupid men who don't know what they are even making laws about. They have no idea what goes on in a pregnancy. They have no idea how many fertilized eggs abort spontaneously or the simple fact that even every baby is NOT "a little bundle of joy from gawd!" They are stupid ignorant fools who use women to get their religious dogma made into law. They have little respect for science even though they use it and it makes their very lives hugely better. They are small minded and need a biology lesson.

Mz Pip

(27,465 posts)
18. Marco Rubio was complaining on the Daily SHow
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:10 AM
Jun 2012

about how Democrats wouldn't let the Senate vote on Republican amendments to bills. Well duh! Look at the shit they are trying to add on to legitimate bills.

Ridiculous and outlandish are polite ways of describing the crap they are pulling.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
23. They went back and forth for twenty minutes.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:34 AM
Jun 2012

It was amazing. Rubio's brain is sealed as air tight as a space capsule.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. He ALMOST came across as reasonable.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:56 AM
Jun 2012

Until Stewart pointed out the fallacies and hypocrisy. Rubio is a good-looking douche-bag.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
21. ya I guess Rand can afford to do this his constituents in KY have little concern over hurricanes
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:15 AM
Jun 2012

as to floods in general I haven't heard too much about Kentucky but the pukes are shameless however the at risk states which tend to be Red should be complaining about this wonder which means more to them hmmmm?

Norbert

(6,043 posts)
22. Congrats to 'Senator' Rand Paul...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:41 AM
Jun 2012

I really thought it was quite impossible but you did it. In 18 months you managed to make the broken down career of Senator Jim Bunning look good by comparison.

The bad news is his political grandstanding and obstructionist politics will play well with the voters of Kentucky and he will in all likelyhood be a longstanding career politician. God help us.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
24. why is he expanding the power of the government? I thought he was against that?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:55 AM
Jun 2012

which way is it, harpo?

Reid should pull the flood insurance legislation altogether and blame paul for it.

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Lawlbringer

(550 posts)
26. Why stop there?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:55 AM
Jun 2012

Let's move to have life start at erection, so the Republicans can further persecute women who deny their husbands access to relief?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. Don't forget the Paul boys are darlings of Operation Rescue
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:09 AM
Jun 2012

OR also gave their official endorsement to Ron for president...

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
29. There is nothing (other than historical precedent) to prevent the two chambers..
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:13 AM
Jun 2012

from adopting chamber rules that prohibit unrelated measures from being introduced or considered. Each bill has a preamble or stated purpose. In most cases it would be fairly easy to determine whether an amendment is germane to the bill's stated purpose. In this case it would be a no-brainer....purpose of bill - flood insurance, purpose of amendment - attack on women including letting them die. Decision- rejected. Please submit your own bill to attack and kill women on its own. We will decide whether to take it up.

Next.........

Wolf Frankula

(3,605 posts)
30. Come on now, Randroid, Paul.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jun 2012

You now people aren't people, only corporations are people. Or are you backing personhood for fetal corporatios.

Wolf

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
34. THere needs to be a law to stop these lil time bombs.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:30 AM
Jun 2012

THis was a bill about Flood Insurance so all amendments should be related to FLOOD INSURANCE.

And Roy Blunt should be one of the first people to help ensure Flood Insurance bill passes since he represents a state that is notorious for being flooded. (Missouri)

csziggy

(34,141 posts)
35. Harry Reid got mad enough to call Rand Paul out
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:32 AM
Jun 2012

But since Harry Reid mad is about as hot as cool tap water, Rachel Maddow allowed a re-enactment by Kent Jones with REAL heat:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#47971583

Best part starts after the 5:30 mark.

eringer

(460 posts)
37. This is how Idiots finance their campaigns
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:02 AM
Jun 2012

This is how republicans look presidential. I am sure that Ratzinger is proud.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
40. Ah, there's the batshit crazy religious right in action.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:19 AM
Jun 2012

Screw hurricane victims. The religious implications of a sperm fertilizing an egg are so much more important.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
42. Let it expire
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:52 PM
Jun 2012

don't give them a inch. When flooded homeowners don't have insurance they know who to blame.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
44. Good
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:53 PM
Jun 2012

I say, I am so very sorry about your home, cars and businesses being flooded and lives ruined, but if the people who are affected still vote Republican, after this as Reid called "ridiculous" and "outlandish bill blocks help, then they deserve what they get. Sorry and good luck

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