Rand Paul Fetal Personhood Amendment Stalls Flood Insurance Bill
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) moved this week to hold a noncontroversial flood insurance bill hostage until the Senate agrees that life begins at fertilization.
The bill, which would financially boost the National Flood Insurance Program on the cusp of hurricane season, had been expected to pass easily in the Senate. But since Paul on Monday offered an unrelated "fetal personhood" amendment, which would give legal protections to fetuses from the moment of fertilization, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is threatening to halt progress on the legislation.
"I'm told last night that one of our Republican senators wants to offer an amendment -- listen to this one -- wants to offer an amendment on when life begins," Reid said on the Senate floor Tuesday. "I am not going to put up with that on flood insurance. I can be condemned by outside sources; my friends can say, 'Let them have a vote on it.' There will not be a vote on that on flood insurance. We'll either do flood insurance with the amendments that deal with flood insurance, or we won't do it. We'll have an extension."
Reid has allowed Republicans to attach unrelated amendments to other important bills in the past few months. Most notably, he let the Senate vote on a contraception-related amendment, proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), to a transportation bill. But Reid called Paul's measure "ridiculous" and "outlandish," and asked Republicans to deal with him on "their side of the aisle."
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/rand-paul-fetal-personhood-flood-insurance_n_1628128.html
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)I thought this was a headline from The Onion...
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)You know it is really bad when you can't tell the difference between the onion and real Republican bills.
Scairp
(2,749 posts)I was born in Kentucky and I'm beyond sorry those voters elected this imbecile. I honestly thought he was too much of a clown even for the most redneck Kentucky resident but I guess I was wrong.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Paulites moved from TX to Kentucky to get this Ron Paul mini me me me elected. But Rand Ayn Paul is not like his dad
dhill926
(16,392 posts)nanabugg
(2,198 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Gees, these fools really don't have a clue what Jesus taught.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Every time they do, the republicans double down and demand more. If Dems give them an inch, then they take a mile. Good on Harry Reid, this shit needs to stop- they have already given too much of the store away.
47of74
(18,470 posts)It's a little fucking late now.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Some have been yelling for years the Dems need to grow spines. However, they are immediately drowned out by the "we must take the high road or we are no better" crowd.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)emulatorloo
(44,276 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)And hats off to libertarians, teabaggers and Koch suckers for destroying the old white
male grandpa GOPERS. We couldn't have done it with out you.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)no flood ins. We can then all point and say, You can thank Rand Paul for that.
SunSeeker
(51,819 posts)Just like his creepy dad, Ron Paul, who is also virulently anti-choice and homophobic and racist. These "libertarians" just want to be free to force you to do what THEY want, i.e. be free to force their prejudices on you. Religious wingnut assholes.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)On the state level, they can be real tyrants. Libertarians have the nerve to say that Obama wants to "take away our freedom", even though he has zero interest in enacting anti-choice and anti-gay policies like how the two Pauls want to do.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)As a person, it is entirely consistent with libertarian philosophy to protect it, in that context.
However, the problem is, they are using their religious bullshit to define it, not science. They think it has a 'soul' and thus is a person, even though it's not even divided into a dozen cells yet. And that's just not going to fly anymore. A multi celled blastocyst is clearly NOT a person. It doesn't even contain any cells that will become the person. It's a collection of cells that will go about constructing a person, given time, materials, and favorable conditions and doesn't necessarily have any clear boolean 'person/not a person' milestones.
But good luck telling them that.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Really, she was a woman and she would be having a fit about declaring her womb, and what happens to be in it, ruled and controlled by big government.
She was all for the individual doing any selfish thing they want with NO Government regulations. Declaring a tiny clump of cells that are in a womb a person would have been clearly anti-Libertarian in her view. She would Never have gone for this kind of crap. She hated religion and would have had an abortion just to prove a point.
cstanleytech
(26,365 posts)Oh, or "Vote Rand Paul!!! The American Taliban candidate!!!"
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)of these "personhood" bills relates to the unintended (or maybe not) consequences. My particular concern, as I've detailed on DU before, is in the area of ectopic (tubal) pregnancies. The fertilized egg sticks in the fallopian tube where it grows, stretches the tube, ruptures and causes the host (mother) to bleed to death internally. Only surgical intervention (removal of the tube and egg) can save her life -- I should know -- it happened to me and because of a doctor who didn't believe in such nonsense, they prepared the operating room at midnight and took me right in. I survived. Under the draconian personhood laws which allow for no exceptions to the removal of a fertilized egg, women like me would not survive. This is further proof of the War Against Women.
I appreciate Reid trying to keep it out of the insurance bill, but somewhere, somehow, someone needs to take on the issue of how dangerous the personhood theory is in the first place.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)but I was not as fortunate as you being in catholic hopital. I had to wait almost 24 hours, and my tube had ruptured. "We don't do abortions". What these insane people say is let the situation resolve itself rather than doing ANY abortion. What does this mean? Let the tube RUPTURE, and then try to save the life of the woman. How many women would die because of this? The embryo, and one that has ZERO chance of survival, is worth more than a living breathing woman.
Very frigthening, and ignornant of the complications of pregnancy.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts).... stupid men who don't know what they are even making laws about. They have no idea what goes on in a pregnancy. They have no idea how many fertilized eggs abort spontaneously or the simple fact that even every baby is NOT "a little bundle of joy from gawd!" They are stupid ignorant fools who use women to get their religious dogma made into law. They have little respect for science even though they use it and it makes their very lives hugely better. They are small minded and need a biology lesson.
Mz Pip
(27,465 posts)about how Democrats wouldn't let the Senate vote on Republican amendments to bills. Well duh! Look at the shit they are trying to add on to legitimate bills.
Ridiculous and outlandish are polite ways of describing the crap they are pulling.
Scairp
(2,749 posts)He doesn't usually let liars get away with that shit.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)It was amazing. Rubio's brain is sealed as air tight as a space capsule.
randome
(34,845 posts)Until Stewart pointed out the fallacies and hypocrisy. Rubio is a good-looking douche-bag.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as to floods in general I haven't heard too much about Kentucky but the pukes are shameless however the at risk states which tend to be Red should be complaining about this wonder which means more to them hmmmm?
Norbert
(6,043 posts)I really thought it was quite impossible but you did it. In 18 months you managed to make the broken down career of Senator Jim Bunning look good by comparison.
The bad news is his political grandstanding and obstructionist politics will play well with the voters of Kentucky and he will in all likelyhood be a longstanding career politician. God help us.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)which way is it, harpo?
Reid should pull the flood insurance legislation altogether and blame paul for it.
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Lawlbringer
(550 posts)Let's move to have life start at erection, so the Republicans can further persecute women who deny their husbands access to relief?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)OR also gave their official endorsement to Ron for president...
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)from adopting chamber rules that prohibit unrelated measures from being introduced or considered. Each bill has a preamble or stated purpose. In most cases it would be fairly easy to determine whether an amendment is germane to the bill's stated purpose. In this case it would be a no-brainer....purpose of bill - flood insurance, purpose of amendment - attack on women including letting them die. Decision- rejected. Please submit your own bill to attack and kill women on its own. We will decide whether to take it up.
Next.........
Wolf Frankula
(3,605 posts)You now people aren't people, only corporations are people. Or are you backing personhood for fetal corporatios.
Wolf
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)THis was a bill about Flood Insurance so all amendments should be related to FLOOD INSURANCE.
And Roy Blunt should be one of the first people to help ensure Flood Insurance bill passes since he represents a state that is notorious for being flooded. (Missouri)
csziggy
(34,141 posts)But since Harry Reid mad is about as hot as cool tap water, Rachel Maddow allowed a re-enactment by Kent Jones with REAL heat:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#47971583
Best part starts after the 5:30 mark.
eringer
(460 posts)This is how republicans look presidential. I am sure that Ratzinger is proud.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Screw hurricane victims. The religious implications of a sperm fertilizing an egg are so much more important.
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)don't give them a inch. When flooded homeowners don't have insurance they know who to blame.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)I say, I am so very sorry about your home, cars and businesses being flooded and lives ruined, but if the people who are affected still vote Republican, after this as Reid called "ridiculous" and "outlandish bill blocks help, then they deserve what they get. Sorry and good luck