Reality?

Kind of like "if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it blah blah blah.." So if there isn't anything to protest then does anyone care?

wholesale baby

She and Rosario Dawson are crying in their beer.

I think we can say confidently that the Democratic Party is firmly at the top of that cliff, with no danger of falling off.

But I guess you didn't like me dissing Sarandon. And consider my dissing Sarandon to be - well, responsible for Armageddon.

Guess what. That's too bad. She's been ridiculous.

When it comes to jerks, you just can't fake quality.

The ones that aren't really Democrats anymore.

are not the class act that Bernie is.

medals for participation, so I wrote something that would have made no sense whatsoever in this conversation.

What are you on time out for?

If you post one more shitty thing you're gonna be suspended! Shoot, I was suspended from HS more often than this place.

Howsoever, I do find that the guys are pretty reasonable if your hides were stupid ones. They have overturned a number of mine. It's worth the few minutes to fight them.

It's very over.

My guess is that the delegates are referring to the DNC.

....but Ted Kennedy created a bit of a stink during the 1980 convention.

they just want to disrupt. If they had any integrity they would hand in their credentials and walk away.

during election cycles and then make decisions against the interest of their supporters while in office.

Imagine that.

I know the difference between disrupting and making true change and how long and slow it takes.
I also remember the disrupters in the S.D.S. who were working undercover for the FBI to discredit the movement. So to those who think cheering on "protesters" is always helpful with out stoping to thing what will the outcome of protest be and who will it help most, I suggest they stop and think about what will be the most effective way to accomplish positive change.

Are entitled middle class white kids who heckle a civil rights icon, do not see that that economic issues are the basis of racism in America and are not really democrats.

One the bright side they have insured open primaries are a thing of the past.

The camera showed blacks and whites in the loud Bernie section and most likely many not in the privileged class as Bernies platform was all about lifting the disadvantaged.

Nobody will understand what they are talking about.

Must have been a very small number, nobody noticed them. I'd imagine it's another deal where the network was desperately searching for controversy and found a handful of still pissed off people who won't accept the reality of party politics.

They are merely anti-Hillary and would be supporting whoever the opposing candidate would be. If they were true Bernie supporters, they would have listened to Bernie and would be supporting Hillary.

I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm now supporting Clinton.

them by never letting them fail or struggle or lose.

They will do all those things at some point.

Or, alternatively, "Someone needs to fix this so I don't lose!" They weren't properly prepared for a world in which your boss doesn't give a tin shit that you did the best you could. And that lack of preparation isn't entirely our fault. The millennials wanted it that way, after all.

My wife and I are both Gen X-ers, and we've talked before about how we were told while growing up that if we studied hard in school, went to university, and got a degree, then we'd have successful, productive, happy lives. That turned out to be nonsense, as any college graduate tending bar or waiting tables can tell you. We didn't pitch a hissy fit about it, though.

We just became totally cynical.

I'm from the tail end of the Baby Boom. Grew up in a very big family, as many families were in those days. Parents didn't involve themselves in their kids' schooling. The kids either figured out how not to fail, or they didn't, but most did. We were socialized by other kids with no parental intervention, because kids spent all their time with each other and with no supervision. Kids are vicious, so we all toughened up pretty quick.

I used to think it was a little brutal, kind of a "raised by wolves" scenario. Now I'm very grateful for it.

I think we did have more economic opportunity than you did, though as we get older I keep hearing of friends who lose their jobs and can't get new ones at the age of 55 or 60..

My advice to you: don't get cynical! Beat the bushes for a job with a union. Seriously. It makes a huge difference in quality of life.

For me in particular, I was an only child in a military family. Dad was often deployed, and mom was a nurse, so she was frequently working long and/or late hours. Most of the time I got myself home from school, did the chores, did my homework, got dinner for myself, then relaxed until bedtime, and mom would get home after I was asleep. I learned to look after myself and to be my own best company. I didn't think it was difficult or anything at the time, and though my parents have expressed regret over it, I don't regret it, nor do I think they should. It was what it was, and I turned out okay.

I feel bad for the Boomers losing their jobs and having a hard time finding a new one. The sad reality is no one wants to hire them, no matter how good their credentials are, because they know full well they'll lose them to retirement in a few years. It's a shitty situation all the way around.

And truth be told, I was always cynical, mainly thanks to my dad. And I bounced around from one job to the next for a while until I found my niche in finance. I'm doing quite well now, making enough to live comfortably, if not lavishly, between my income and my wife's. My boss demands performance, but when you do put up the numbers, she takes care of her own and makes sure those who deserve it move onward and upward.

did have to deal with responsibility and hardships are better able to navigate the world. I don't thing any parent wants their kid to have to deal with those things, but in the long run it's not a bad thing for the kid.

I'm glad you found a place that appreciates and rewards you!

How much did you owe in student loans?

I'm GenX, paid for 4 years of school and books working part time for min wage every summer, that covered it all.

Graduated with no debt, so the McJob the first couple of years was fine.

Worked full time during both stints in school. Nearly killed me. What is your point?

So you got out with debt, I bet you probably went to school after the 80's, I don't know anyone aside from Doctors and other higher degrees that had debt when they got out, end of the 80's.

It's understandable that folks who had debt dont have that much sympathy I guess is the word for the millennials .... I support very affordable education because that is how it was when I attended, maybe one of the last classes that had that advantage, I think tuition costs starting going up very fast in the early 90's..

By today's standards, that's something to celebrate about. I'm from the very latter years of Gen X, though, and I guess it depends largely on which definition you use. I was born in 1979, my wife in 1980, so we're the very very tail end of Gen X. We certainly want nothing to do with the Millennials. Our housemates are 19 and 20 years old (we consider them the little siblings we never had), and beyond that, we don't socialize with people younger than ourselves.

And they just poured water on Geraldo's head as he tried to confront them outside. At least someone steps up to FOX News instead of play footsie with republicans. We arent we doing that? We are too mature? So mature we let Trump hog the spotlight even during our own convention??? Time to get up off our asses and get UNCONVENTIONAL. I know Hillary can do this...Im waiting for everyone to step it up a notch in the field.

spotlight. And who is playing footsie with republicans? And do you really think pouring water over Geraldo's head is an effective form of protest? What does that get them? What is it that they want? Do you know? I don't and I doubt that they do.

Yes. For that kind of nonsense that does absolutely nothing we ARE too mature. Or at least we are people who really don't like to waste our time on petulant tantrums.

And everyone in the photo I saw was in their twenties.

College was affordable for gen Exers .....

there are moles undermining unity with this issue

or these people don't understand politics very well

They think they're going to pick up the pieces after
a Trump Presidency

and all will be Utopia

He worked tirelessly to incorporate the issues he and his supporters were passionate about, and he did. It's the most progressive platform in the Democratic party; Sanders achieved 80% of his platform goals.

After all his hard work, this is what they do?

they can stay out, too.

As much as we might want it, the system is structured NOT to provide instant gratification. This is to protect all of us, because without debate on stuff, you can go the wrong direction really fast. I mean, think about the TPP. There are lots of high level Dems that support it. However, since they felt that we wouldn't understand, but that enacting it would be good for us, they negotiated it in secret and then only allowed other members of Congress to see it under strictly supervised conditions, and then ramrodded the 'fast tracking' through the Senate.

Thank goodness for Wikileaks. Because we did get hold of the text, read it and then protested mightily because TPP is NOT good for us and deserves massive public debate before it slides down into the obscurity and ruination it deserves.

See, that's how our system works. And it is good. You don't get everything you want, but if you press hard the general direction is right. I hate to say that in this context because as a Social Democrat, I can smugly state that if we only did what I want, the world would be totally better for everyone! Right?

??

No, actually not. But I'm here. I'm at the table. I'm advocating stuff that I think is best just like you all are. And together we are going the right way.

As opposed to Trump. They are going the wrong direction really fast. Let's not let Trump get his hands on the nuclear football, all right?

Support Clinton and VOTE. Replace our beloved Obama with another sane person in the White House.

Throwing your hands up and walking out seems like throwing in the towel, especially since Bernie has already achieved a lot. It seems like the better way to effect change is to continue working on things than by joining a third party that has little chance of winning.

Glad you decided to stick it out.

Don't let them back in.

I have to say this to anyone that will listen.

Some of us still feel Bernie would be a better president than Hillary BUT...

Bernie doesn't want to be the president anymore. He decided that when he endorsed her. To those that are protesting and saying Bernie should be the nominee, you really should have dealt with those feelings when Bernie himself threw in the towel. Bernie keeps telling the protesting delegates to stop, no one is going to force Bernie to be president.

We can only move on. I love Bernie and always will.

and we'll never hear from them again...

to elect. Donald Trump.

Some of them might be living in their parent's basement.

There's film of one delegate who turned in his credentials and declared himself an independent. He wants Hillary to "earn" his vote.

I guess he is disappointed that Senator Sanders actually did what he always said and promised he would do. Apparently he didn't realize that Bernie is truly a man of his word.

I supported Hillary in 2008. I understand the profound disappointment., but leaders know what real leadership is about. Sanders is a real leader.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Sanders-Delegates-Stage-Mass-Walkout-Promising-to-Leave-Democartic-Party-388324742.html

And their hotel keys.

A vote shouldn't be lightly given, just like any valuable thing shouldn't be lightly given away.

That said, Hillary "earns" my vote by virtue of her positions on issues that matter to me. Had Bernie won the nomination, he would have "earned" my vote for the same reason. And Trump (or any other Republican) can never "earn" my vote because of their positions. A Democrat doesn't "earn" my vote simply because he or she is a Democrat, they do so (or don't) based on their positions.

In this particular case, though, I rather doubt the gentleman in question meant "earn" in the same way I think of the term as regards voting. Maybe he wants Hillary to genuflect or something, I dunno. I suspect he'll be waiting a while.

None of them are likely to have done as much as she has done in her life for others.

the end of a romance. The first one is the hardest. We learn through painful experiences.

Some of us old dogs forget how hard that first loss can be. Thanks for the reminder.

I worked on so many fruitless campaigns growing up that while I cheered the occasional victories, I never, ever expected them.

NOT!

supporters together.

Right now I am watching Sandra Bland's Mother speaking for her daughter

Of the 1800+ delegates for Bernie, only about 40 did this.

So, about 2%.

All of them seem over privileged kids that are pouting that mommy and daddy didn't give them that shiny new car they wanted.

I watched a few minutes of Fox News' coverage of the Democratic convention. They were 'reporting' thousands of demonstrators flooded the streets of Philadelphia; scores arrested; etc.

Seriously?
In what alternate universe?

The primaries are over, what are the protesting?

It has been nice

matters of course because I suspect the more vocal ones like this dont have the best interest of the people at heart really.
After all you would that that most real Bernie supporters would respect their candidates wishes rather than try to create a media circus like the Republicans had at their convention.

My hope has been with every new generation that our future leaders will rise up. Most of them will go on to be valuable citizens, some will become permanently bitter and a few will rise.

It's really a non-story. The media doing all it can to sow discord where there is none!

They really need to grow up.

They DNC email scandal is still very new.. .They are dealing with that after they were telling everyone 6 months ago something was up and they were demeaned then too.... They didn't stay and disrupt the convention did they? They left. Why do we have to be such dickheads? They want many of the same things we do... This will all pass. Let it take it's course. Geezus.

what it is that the DNC did for Hillary that they didn't do for Bern?

any biases that influenced the primary.

There were the two gross ones about Bernie's religion, but they were exchanged after Bernie lost.

So no. I haven't heard. Though I have looked and looked.

Have a nice day.

and his supporters during the primaries.