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Omaha Steve

(99,908 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:26 PM Jul 2016

Too fast? They're furious: Pilots' union says American Airlines compromises safety

Source: Dallas Morning News

By Conor Shine

The president of American Airlines’ pilots union said he’s alarmed by a new management initiative to speed up some flight plans, stating in a Thursday letter to union members that it could “compromise the margin of safety.”

“This erosion of the safety margin cannot be tolerated. Pilot pushing leads to ‘rush to comply’ behavior,” Capt. Dan Carey, who was elected president of the Allied Pilots Association earlier this month, wrote in the letter. “American Airlines’ operations are clearly over-scheduled, and management is now resorting to improvisation. Don’t let management’s schedule-planning mistakes become your next crisis.”

Carey is referring specifically to an initiative laid out in a July 12 memo from American’s chief operating officer Robert Isom. The memo outlines “speed up flight plans” as a way to reduce delays in certain circumstances.

Carey said the union’s pilots are reporting that some flight plans are being manipulated to keep crews under Federal Aviation Administration caps that restrict time spent on duty, a practice Carey referred to as “pilot pushing.”

FULL story at link.


American Airlines pilots talked after the carrier's merger with US Airways was announced in February 2013. (File Photo/Tom Fox)

Read more: http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airline-industry/20160728-too-fast-they-re-furious-pilots-union-says-american-airlines-compromises-safety.ece

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Too fast? They're furious: Pilots' union says American Airlines compromises safety (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2016 OP
Tell me again how deregulation was going to be so good for the consumer nt dflprincess Jul 2016 #1
'Save $' elleng Jul 2016 #3
We only saved money in the brief period when there was real competetion dflprincess Jul 2016 #11
Right, wasn't all bad, elleng Jul 2016 #12
It's a cause for and of regulation. Igel Jul 2016 #10
If a pilot thinks it's unsafe, don't push them. There's old pilots and bold pilots, but not old uppityperson Jul 2016 #2
Good to see the pilot's union complaining. elleng Jul 2016 #4
So glad I'm not flying any more. Stonepounder Jul 2016 #5
I've flown to Tampa and El Paso in the past four years The Second Stone Jul 2016 #6
K & R Quantess Jul 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author pdxflyboy Jul 2016 #8
Did trump asshat take them over? lonestarnot Jul 2016 #9

dflprincess

(28,095 posts)
11. We only saved money in the brief period when there was real competetion
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jul 2016

all the mergers between carriers pretty much took care of that.

I'm old enough to remember when flying was not an ordeal - back when the only way the airlines could compete with each other was with service and safety.

That model wasn't all bad.

elleng

(131,463 posts)
12. Right, wasn't all bad,
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jul 2016

but unregulated 'competition' took care of the 'benefits.' I remember it too!

Igel

(35,393 posts)
10. It's a cause for and of regulation.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jul 2016

Imagine that you have a job that takes 8 hours and 10 minutes. Not much worse than one that takes 7 hours and 55 minutes, right?

Now imagine that you have to pay two people for that 8:10 hr job, one to sit most of the time. Or you could speed up the work so you only pay one.

The regs are inflexible and shift lengths that are close to whatever the maximum allowed for a pilot is but still exceed it could be shortened.

Problem is, if you say, "Oh, okay, there's flexibility" you've started on a slippery slope. If 8:10 is still safe, how about 8:20? Well, if 8:20 is still safe, how about 8:30? Gradually you get to 14 hour shifts, which are clearly bad. (People do badly with this kind of continuum. The ends are clear, but you can argue only the middle and say, "Well, there's no real difference between safe and unsafe, they're just social constructs." Data might help, if there's a logistic curve or clear spike.)

Squishy regs might work, but enforcing them is a bear. "Shift lengths up to 20 minutes longer than the stipulated cap shall exceed no more than 8% of the total flights, shift lengths up to 45 minutes longer than the cap shall exceed no more than 1% of flights." With the stipulation that the pilots with over-long shifts have a following shift shorter than the cap or have a day off. Something like that might work, but this kind of reg gets messy,quick.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
2. If a pilot thinks it's unsafe, don't push them. There's old pilots and bold pilots, but not old
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

bold ones.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
5. So glad I'm not flying any more.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

For a number of years I was a true road warrior. I racked up over 2 million miles on American Airlines (I still have my lifetime Platinum Rewards card). I am so glad I'm retired and don't have to fly any more. Between the delays at the airports, the overcrowding on flights, the hassles with security, and now management pushing pilots to the edge of safety, I'll stay on the ground, thank you.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
6. I've flown to Tampa and El Paso in the past four years
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jul 2016

on two trips. Tampa on American and El Paso on United. I hated both. If I never get on another two hour plus flight in my life, I'll die satisfied, and if I can skip the flights from the Bay to LA, I'll be even happier. I'd rather drive.

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