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Judi Lynn

(160,707 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:18 AM Jul 2016

Huge, once-hated fish now seen as weapon against Asian carp

Source: Associated Press

Huge, once-hated fish now seen as weapon against Asian carp
Jul 29, 2:13 AM EDT

By TAMMY WEBBER
Associated Press

CHICAGO (AP) -- It's a toothy giant that can grow longer than a horse and heavier than a refrigerator, a fearsome-looking prehistoric fish that plied U.S. waters from the Gulf of Mexico to Illinois until it disappeared from many states a half-century ago.

Persecuted by anglers and deprived of places to spawn, the alligator gar - with a head that resembles an alligator and two rows of needlelike teeth - survived primarily in southern states in the tributaries of Mississippi River and Gulf of Mexico after being declared extinct in several states farther north. To many, it was a freak, a "trash fish" that threatened sportfish, something to be exterminated.

But the once-reviled predator is now being seen as a valuable fish in its own right, and as a potentially potent weapon against a more threatening intruder: the invasive Asian carp, which have swum almost unchecked toward the Great Lakes, with little more than an electric barrier to keep them at bay. Efforts are now underway to reintroduce the alligator gar from Illinois to Tennessee.

"What else is going to be able to eat those monster carp?" said Allyse Ferrara, an alligator gar expert at Nicholls State University in Louisiana, where the species is relatively common. "We haven't found any other way to control them."

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_RIVER_MONSTER_RETURNS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-07-29-01-33-48



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Spending time with one's Gar





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Huge, once-hated fish now seen as weapon against Asian carp (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2016 OP
IDNKT. Great to see we have a native species that can save ffr Jul 2016 #1
Geebus, remind me not to go swimming anywhere near those things nolabels Jul 2016 #2
Aren't carp supposed to be edible? silverweb Jul 2016 #3
Futile. ffr Jul 2016 #4
Wow! silverweb Jul 2016 #6
Not an intro.they used to be everywhere. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #8
silverweb i wonder the same...open up a giant catfood factory and run it 24/7 dembotoz Jul 2016 #14
Exactly! silverweb Jul 2016 #22
Here's my take TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #17
Good points. silverweb Jul 2016 #23
Agree aka-chmeee Jul 2016 #18
If you wanna see one of these up close and personal, go catfishing in Oklahoma, jtuck004 Jul 2016 #5
I caught one in the Ohio River about 30 years ago. Tobin S. Jul 2016 #7
They were in the fresh water in Florida 60 years ago. I thought they interesting to watch. In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #10
They are interesting. In the water. :) . Pull one into the bottom of your dark and wet small jtuck004 Jul 2016 #11
Even from a safe distance they were scary. Somehow a gar wound up living in upstate NY. In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #13
Lol, yeah. I was about 8 or 9 for my first one, as I recall. Pulling catfish off the line. jtuck004 Jul 2016 #15
Native species should be reintroduced on lands and waters. However, carp are decent eating. Sunlei Jul 2016 #9
so the Asian carp was introduced to the U.S. so fish farmers could clean their Javaman Jul 2016 #12
Yes! Bring on the Chinese needle-snakes! Orrex Jul 2016 #16
The gar are native so not really a problem. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chemisse Jul 2016 #20
Hated by "sport" fisherman, not by ecologists, biologists who recognize the value of each species. eppur_se_muova Jul 2016 #21

ffr

(22,683 posts)
1. IDNKT. Great to see we have a native species that can save
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jul 2016

the damage we've done. And all we have to do is step back and let nature rebuild itself.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
2. Geebus, remind me not to go swimming anywhere near those things
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:57 AM
Jul 2016

Feeling like fish food is really not all that fun sounding

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
3. Aren't carp supposed to be edible?
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:02 AM
Jul 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Why aren't we fishing them into near extinction, like everything else we like to eat? Wouldn't they make good cat food, too?





silverweb

(16,402 posts)
6. Wow!
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:09 AM
Jul 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Points well taken. However:
(1) Aren't trout full of bones and still considered good eating?
(2) Couldn't they be ground up into a fine paté for pet food?
(3) Wouldn't trawling be a reasonably efficient way of catching them for processing?

Where there's a will, there's a way. At least, that's my way of thinking.

I just question whether introducing an even more dangerous predator fish is the way to go.

dembotoz

(16,866 posts)
14. silverweb i wonder the same...open up a giant catfood factory and run it 24/7
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jul 2016

overfish the shit out of the rivers and make the carp rare


my cat jewel likes the idea.....

TexasBushwhacker

(20,257 posts)
17. Here's my take
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jul 2016

1) It is said that asian carp's flesh is white and bland and people may develop a taste for it if they changed the name. Like Patagonianian Toothfish became Chilean Sea Bass. But it might not be wise to create a demand for an invasive fish.

2) My guess is that most cat food is made from fish that's left over from processing people food; what's left over after removing fillets. In tuna, it's the belly meat, which is very fatty and has a strong fishy smell and taste.

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
18. Agree
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jul 2016

I don't know much about Asian Carp. However, German carp properly prepared before cooking is very tasty. Know of a restaurant on the Missouri river where it is the house specialty, and canned, they can be used like mackerel or salmon . They are a challenge to catch and are impressive fighters. Sadly, many fishermen view carp with scorn and after catching one, just toss them up the river bank and leave them to feed the other wildlife.
Gar look scary, but I don't think they are considered dangerous to humans and they are a native species

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. If you wanna see one of these up close and personal, go catfishing in Oklahoma,
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:39 AM
Jul 2016

Texas, Arkansas...

It won't be as big as those above, but you can hook one of those and pull it into the boat, it will go for the same bait. Mind those teeth though, they will slice you open fast...

Tobin S.

(10,418 posts)
7. I caught one in the Ohio River about 30 years ago.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:29 AM
Jul 2016

I didn't realize they were now considered extinct up this way.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
11. They are interesting. In the water. :) . Pull one into the bottom of your dark and wet small
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jul 2016

boat, maybe 2 in the morning while you are running your trot line, and you come to a sudden realization about how small that boat really is.

It is at this point that you realize one of the other uses for that oar.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
13. Even from a safe distance they were scary. Somehow a gar wound up living in upstate NY.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jul 2016
http://news10.com/2016/07/27/ny-dec-looking-for-invasive-fish-named-alligator-gar-in-schenectady-pond/

SCHENECTADY, N.Y. (NEWS10) – Folks visiting and fishing around Schenectady’s Central Park Pond thought they may have seen an alligator in the water over the past few weeks.



Were you able to avoid those razor sharp teeth?
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. Lol, yeah. I was about 8 or 9 for my first one, as I recall. Pulling catfish off the line.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jul 2016

Willie - a family friend who had a cabin at the lake, which was probably where they grew up at. We would clean them and ice them, take the filets to the church for the Wednesday nite fish fry. Big deep kettle of grease and people who knew how to cook.

It's a great model for building community of all kinds.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. Native species should be reintroduced on lands and waters. However, carp are decent eating.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:07 AM
Jul 2016

They could also be used for animal feeds and natural fertilizer. That's if they aren't contaminated with metals from carp bottom feeding.

Here in Texas near my house the two prominent invasive fresh water species are koi, beautiful colors, large. Some with the long veil fins.

And delicious tilapia. A man I know uses a cast net to pull out several large tilapia with each cast. He back door sells live fish to many restaurants.

I don't know how gar breed, if they're egg layers? they don't have a chance to reproduce. Carp will eat all the eggs and carp thrive in our polluted waters.

Javaman

(62,540 posts)
12. so the Asian carp was introduced to the U.S. so fish farmers could clean their
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jul 2016

commercial ponds.

now we are introducing this fish to combat Asian carp.

what's next? a new type of fresh water shark to control the alligator gar?

reminds me of a simpson's episode.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. The gar are native so not really a problem.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jul 2016

They would probably restore order to the current imbalance.

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

eppur_se_muova

(36,317 posts)
21. Hated by "sport" fisherman, not by ecologists, biologists who recognize the value of each species.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jul 2016

Virtually wiped out so "sportsmen" could have more entertaining game. Priorities, priorities !

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