"A progressive before progressive was a political faction in this town"? Uh... Dude... San Francisco? Unless you were around when whale-hunting steamers were still coming into the bay, I... kinda doubt that statement.

I support this in NYC. It DOES work to keep crimes down. NYC knows this, so they continue to do it. The PROBLEM is when ALL cities begin to do it. Where this NEEDS to be done is in Chicago. Chicago is OUT of control.

THE WAY ALL THIS WORKS THOUGH PEOPLE IS THAT THIS WILL BE IN EVERY AMERICAN CITY AT A CERTAIN POINT. IT IS THE WAY IT WORKS. THAT IS FACT, AND HISTORY. SO I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS KNOWING THAT UNLESS UNDER VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. EVEN THEN, I KNOW WHERE IT LEADS TO, SO WHAT COULD BE A GOOD CRIME TOOL IS INSTEAD MIRED IN MY SUSPICIONS OF THINGS LIKE THE PATRIOT ACT AND ALL ITS WELL KNOWN ABUSES. AND THE SECURITY STATE WILL ABUSE IT. TO ME SUCH QUANDRIES ARE A PART OF WHAT IS CALLED LIVING IN TYRANNY. THIS IS HISTORY AND IT WILL BE ABUSED BY THEM AT SOME POINT. IT ALWAYS HAPPENS.












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So I will not look further.....I still fully think you MAY BE right even..and I do agree with you on the effect it has had on communities.. But I have seen the differences between the cities. Chicago is out of control, and they do NOT know what they are doing in Chicago so far as the violence. Chicago has exponentially the violence that NYC has. I also say that Chicago has 10x the guns that NYC has.

I could be wrong about the statistics, but I see what I see and I will take my own eyes over abstract numbers anyday. About the City of Chicago and ALL of the gun violence occurring here, in my opinion they DID NOT hire the most qualified Police Commisioner/Supt. What I recall of one of the other candidates, was that he had NYC experience, HE should have been hired in Chicago IMO. I would need to look again to confirm this, but it is what I remember...

WHAT MY REAL QUESTION IS: WHY ARE THEY NOT PROPOSING THIS FOR CHICAGO THEN? ARE THEY TOO SCARED TO? OR WHAT?
SAN FRANCISO IS NOT OUT OF CONTROL, BUT CHICAGO IS.

NOW, WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES ABOUT THIS IS: WHY SAN FRANCISO AND NOT CHICAGO?

IF THIS IS TRULY ABOUT CRIME, THEN WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

IS IT MERELY THAT CHICAGO HAS NOT ASKED FOR THIS? WHY NOT THEN? IT IS NEEDED HERE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
THERE IS A SERIOUS SERIOUS SERIOUS PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO RIGHT NOW. IT IS A WARZONE. EVERY BIT AS DANGEROUS AS IN SAY AFGHANISTAN, OR IRAQ EVEN.








MY ANSWER IS THIS THEN......



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THAT IS MY ANSWER. I ALSO SAY STOP, AND LOOK AROUND AMERICA ON THIS. WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING. ANYTHING?
BASED ON WHAT I KNOW, THIS DOES NOT PASS MY OWN SMELL TEST. AND I DO NOT THINK SOMETHING IS RIGHT WITH THIS.

I would propose a National Registration System for Guns, just like Canada has. It is PROVEN that it works.


BUT, THIS IS NEO-AMERICA AND THINGS LIKE THE DESPICABLE PATRIOT ACT ARE HERE, AND THERE IS TOO MUCH TYRANNY HERE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO PROPOSE THIS. I JUST CANNOT DO IT FOR THOSE REASONS. IT IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE WITH GUNS CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE GOVERNMENT, NOR IS IT ONLY ABOUT THEM PROTECTING THEMSELVES FROM THE CRIMINALS, EVENTUALLY IT COULD EVEN BE PEOPLE PROTECTING THEMSELVES FROM THE POLICES, OR SOME SECRET POLICE.... I CAN SEE THAT HAPPENING, SO I CANNOT EVEN SUPPORT WHAT I KNOW WOULD WORK. DO YOU SEE HOW THE TYRANNY WORKS? EVEN IN THIS MATTER. CRIMES... SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH ALL OF IT....


ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW IS WRONG WITH THIS IS THAT WE HAVE TOO MUCH INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP IN OUR GOVERNMENT. THAT IS A FACT. LOOK AT F&F.

BUT THEN I THINK THE REAL REASON FOR F&F WAS TO PROMOTE VIOLENCE FOR CALDERONS ESCALATION THAT HE BEGAN HIMSELF.

THEN THE MEXICAN DIPLOMATS COMPLAIN TO AMERICA... AS THEY SHOULD... ARE THEY COMPLAINING TO CALDERON AS WELL? I AM SURE THEY ARE, I HOPE THAT THEY ARE. BECAUSE ALL OF THE VIOLENCE RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF THE ESCALATION THAT THEY BEGAN. AND THEY EVEN FUCKED THAT UP. A US GOVT MAN GOT KILLED. SO DID MANY MORE PEOPLE. MORE WILL. PROBABLY WITH THE SAME GUNS, IT IS NOT FINISHED YET. IT NEVER IS. WHAT I HAVE TO ASK MYSELF, IN AMERICA, ABOUT ALL OF THIS, IS WHY DO WE HAVE PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS NOT BETTER THAN ANY IDIOT IN 3D WORLD AFRICA SOMEWHERE MIGHT MAKE. WHY IS THIS LIKE THIS? IN MY OPINION THIS IS WHAT AMERICANS NEED TO BE ASKING ABOUT GUNS, CRIME, STOP AND FRISK, AND A LOT MORE.

AMERICA IS ONLY ONE PIE, NOT TWO. ALL OF THIS STUFF IS INTERWINED. AND THAT IS A FACT.

ANOTHER FACT IS THAT WE HAVE TOO MUCH WORTHLESS LEADERSHIP. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. IT IS ALSO A FACT.
WHY ARE WE LETTING THESE 'PEOPLE' RUN THE AMERICAN PEOPLES BUSINESS WHEN THEY CANNOT EVEN GET THEIR CORRUPTION RIGHT? THANK GOD. BUT AT THIS RATE THEY WILL NOT EVEN NEED TO HIDE THEIR CORRUPTION ANOY MORE. PEOPLE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT. IT IS THE WAY HISTORY IS, AND THE WAY THAT THE WORLD WORKS THAT TELLS ME THIS. AND MY OWN TWO EYES.

WHAT PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE, OF THE OTHER SIDE SEE THE SECURITY STATE TOO, AND THEY BLAME US FOR IT, AND THAT IS PARTLY CORRECT.... I DO NOT DISPARAGE THEM FOR WANTING THE KEEP THEIR GUNS, IT IS THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE THEM, OUR RIGHT. WE ARE AMERICANS. IT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO POINT THE FINGERS AT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IS ALL. THE CAUSES OF THE PROBLEMS HERE ARE NOT BECAUSE OF US CITIZENS. IT IS THE INCOMPETENT AND CORRUPT POLITICANS THAT ARE THE ISSUE. WE ARE MERELY FORCED TO LIVE WITH THE RESULTS OF WHAT THEY DO, AND WITH THE DEATH AND VIOLENCE.

AMERICANS EVERYWHERE NEED TO START SHOUTING OUT LOUDLY ABOUT ALL OF THIS. MOST OF THE POLITICIANS WILL CHANGE NONE OF THIS, IT IS A PART OF HOW THEY MAINTAIN THEIR POWER OVER THE PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT THAT.





Meanwhile.....The Progression continues....

Cite to evidence supporting your claim, please.

Also, please explain why many states are cancelling such programs, as they have been too expensive and completely ineffective.

When/if you answer, please release your Kung-Fu grip on the CAPS LOCK key, mkay? Thanks!

If only we were all commanded to be nude in public we would not have to fear what other citizens may be concealing! If we allowed the police to walk into our homes whenever they want, we will be more secure!

WooHooo!

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These countries are 100 times more free than America is in this regard, and MANY other important ways. At the end of the day, these people in these countries have MORE Freedom than we do. AND THAT IS A FACT. THERE ARE MANY PLACES LIKE THIS IN THE WORLD.

THE ONLY BUBBLE AS I SEE IT, IS IN PEOPLES OWN MIND. THE PROBLEM WITH AMERICANS AND THE WORLD IS THAT AMERICANS ALWAYS NEED TO SEE THE WORLD THROUGH BEING ARMED. AND PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THAT. BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT AMERICANS DO NOT SEE THE REST OF THE WORLD FOR WHAT IT TRULY IS..


AND THIS IS FACT. AMERICANS ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR GUNS THAN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE LIFE AND THE WORLD GOOD. THEY DO THIS AT HOME, THEY DO IT ABROAD. IT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS IN OUR COUNTRY. AND THAT IS FACT.

WHAT I HAVE TO ASK MYSELF IS WHAT DO AMERICANS TRULY WANT IN THE WORLD. THEIR GUNS OR TO SEE SOMETHING BETTER AND REALLY SEE THE WORLD. WHICH IS IT? THE ENTIRE WORLD ASKS THIS.

WHAT DO WE FEAR IN THE WORLD, OR WHAT DO WE TRULY WANT FROM IT. THE WORLD ASKS THIS. I ASK IT, I KNOW DOZENS OF PEOPLE THAT ASK THIS, I READ IT, I SEE IT.

WTF ARE WE DOING? THE WORLD IS A MUCH NICER PLACE TO SEE WITH YOUR EYES AND HEART THAN FROM THE END OF A GUN BARREL. MOST EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD ALREADY KNOWS THIS. WHY DON'T WE? AMERICANS NEED TO SEE THE WORLD FOR HOW IT TRULY IS, NOT HOW THEY ARE TOLD TO SEE IT BY POLITICIANS. BECAUSE WHAT THE POLITICIANS TELL YOU IS NOT EVEN 10% OF WHAT IT TRULY IS. PEOPLE SHOULD TRAVEL MORE. AND SEE IT WITH THEIR OWN TWO EYES. IT IS A MUCH BETTER PLACE THAN WHAT YOU ARE BEING TOLD IT IS. AND THE FACT IS, MOST AMERICANS EVEN SEE AMERICA THROUGH THESE EYES OF GUNS RATHER THAN SEEING IT FOR WHAT IT TRULY COULD BE.

THE PEOPLE NEED TO SET THEIR FEAR ASIDE, IT IS NOT THEIRS, THE POLITICIANS OWN THE FEAR. THE POLITICANS NEED TO STOP WITH THEIR GREED. THAT IS ALL IT IS AND THE WORLD IS SICK IT SEEING IT AND WE LIVE IN THE MOST MILITARIZED NATION IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF IT. MORE MILITARIZED THAN CHINA EVEN.


THIS IS FEAR, SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS AND THE TRUE CAUSES OF IT:

'THERE IS A SERIOUS SERIOUS SERIOUS PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO RIGHT NOW. IT IS A WARZONE. EVERY BIT AS DANGEROUS AS IN SAY AFGHANISTAN, OR IRAQ EVEN.'

I MYSELF AM TIRED OF THE FEAR AND THE VIOLENCE. I THINK EVERYONE IS TIRED OF IT BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE THE CAUSES OF WHY IT IS LIKE THIS HERE. THIS JUST DOES NOT EXIST IN MOST OTHER CIVILIZED COUNTRIES. IT JUST DOES NOT. PERIOD.
DISRUPTING ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNTIES BY FRISKING EVERYONE IS NO WAY TO LIVE.

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS... THE ROOT ISSUES NEED TO BE DEALT WITH, FURTHER TYRANNY DOES NOT ACHIEVE THAT.
QUESTION PEOPLE NEED TO ASK IS, WHAT ARE OUR TRUE GOALS HERE AND IN THE WORLD. WE ALL NEED TO DECIDE THIS, TO INCLUDE THE POLITICANS, THE PROBLEM IS THE POLITICIANS ARE DECIDING EVERYTHING FOR US. AND THAT IS WHY FOR MANY PEOPLE, AMERICA IS HELL ON EARTH. IT IS JUST A FACT. ALL THE TYRANNY JUST NEEDS TO STOP.

All their surveillance camers have done nothing to decrease crime. And I am far more free here in the U.S.

Have a nice day.

...but against going after file sharers? (See http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=154127)

Can you explain this?

But luckily this is still a semi-free country

...stop and frisk worked so well for Adoph.



- Ass.

K&R

He was a tourist who wandered onto the wrong street.
I won't visit San Francisco for that reason.

So I'm never going there.

pure and simple. It is the wholesale disregard of the liberties of the populace to be stopped and felt-up by the police without even a reasonable suspicion, much less a probable cause.

Recall Lee.

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and in America, people have become CONDITIONED, to entirely too much VIOLENCE, the things the police do to people in America would NOT be tolerated in ANY other advanced Western country. PERIOD. They are NOT tolerated, and the routine violence by the POLICE against people, WATCH THE TV, DOES NOT HAPPEN. PERIOD.

WE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT IT HERE AND WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT IF PEOPLE WOULD SAY SOMETHING.. THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH EYES ON THIS ONE, THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH COURAGE TO STOP IT AND WE ALL FAIL, BUT THEN WE LIVE IN THE SECURITY STATE. So it is not completely the people's fault in my own eyes. America is a DANGEROUS country, and it is where we live, and it is wrong. People should not have to live their lives BULLIED by all of this, and AMERICA BULLIES very well, at home and abroad, bullies are THUGS, it needs to change. The WORLD is sick of thugs. Here in America and elsewhere in the World. AND on the World stage, to MANY, too MANY, America is the THUG in the World and it ACTS like it is too. IRAQ... It needs to STOP. ALL OF THIS CORRODES OUR SOCIETY. ALL OF IT. PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THUGS. PEOPLE HAD DAMN WELL ASK THEMSELVES WHY AMERICAN CITIES ARE AS DANGEROUS AS ANY SOUTH AMERICAN CITY IS. CITIES IN EUROPE, ASIA, ETS....IS NOT THIS WAY. IT IS NOT NORMAL WHAT WE ARE LIVING WITH IN AMERICA...

PERSONALLY WHAT I SEE IS WE NEED A WHOLESALE FIRING OF LEADERSHIP IN THE COUNTRY. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOBS. AND IT IS NOT PEOPLES IDEAS GETTING THESE POLITICIANS VOTES. IT IS MONEY.

THIS IS WHY WHAT WE HAVE DOES NOT WORK. IT IS WHY THEY NEED THE SECURITY STATE. THE SECURITY STATE IS NOT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE, IT NEVER IS, IT IS TO PROTECT THEM.....NOT THE PEOPLE. THIS IS HISTORY OF THE WORLD AND THIS IS FACT. PEOPLE BETTER ADDRESS IT BEFORE EVERYTHING IS GONE, IT WILL HAPPEN. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS.

AMERICANS HAVE FORGOTTEN TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT AMERICA IS, AND THEY DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE WORLD. AND IT IS WHY WE ALL SUFFER HERE. THE HATE AND THE VIOLENCE AFFECTS EVERYONE. IN RECENT HISTORY, A COUNTRY WAS INVADED BECAUSE OF IT EVEN AND IT IS BULLSHIT. AMERICAS HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER. PERIOD.

WE ALL KNOW IT. THE GREED AND HATE HAVE TAKEN OVER HERE. WHAT WE DO TO OURSELVES IS JUST NOT AMERICAN. IT ISN'T AND ALLOW NO ONE TO EVER TELL YOU THAT IT IS. BECAUSE ITS NOT. NONE OF THIS IS NORMAL.


IT IS WHY WE HAVE GARBAGE LIKE THIS HERE: Poll: Americans pick Obama over Romney to handle an alien invasion

AND THAT IS A FACT THAT PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP TO. IT IS DECEPTION. PERIOD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014153760

POLLS SUCH AS THESE ARE PART OF THE FILTH OF WHAT WAS WW2 GERMANY AND THE FORMER SOVIET UNION. PEOPLE MUST UNDERSTAND THIS. RECOGNIZE IT. IT IS DECEPTION.








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It's annoying.

FUCK YOU Ed Lee. Sack of shit jackass needs to be recalled if he tries to pull that bullshit here. Malia Cohen is my Sup., and I am glad to see she is as alarmed as I.

I am 100% against this and am calling Lee's office to express my disbelief at his stupidity.

Looks like it's time to hit the streets again.

That's a sure bet.