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US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 OP
Thank God. Hieronymus Jul 2017 #1
Thanks be! 🙏 HAVE HEART! 💖?👍👊🗽🎆 sprinkleeninow Jul 2017 #7
Looks like I owe an apology to John McCain Salviati Jul 2017 #2
No you don't. He grand-standed and then voted to kill millions BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #12
Well, I'm not going to give him much credit... Salviati Jul 2017 #14
I give credit where credit is due also. For whatever reason, he saved healthcare for at least Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #44
I believe you are wrong, BP. theophilus Jul 2017 #17
Yes, it was a final shining moment for McCain. And I'm no fan but I'll give him his due. George Eliot Jul 2017 #34
Agreed c-rational Jul 2017 #53
McCain finally grew a pair FakeNoose Jul 2017 #42
Poor Mitch. SCVDem Jul 2017 #3
K&R uppityperson Jul 2017 #4
What is tiny hands going to do? hibbing Jul 2017 #5
Maybe they just need to make the next bill tiny, too. Rollo Jul 2017 #8
Probably tell them to keep trying to pass it and offer up varies bribes and or threats to the cstanleytech Jul 2017 #18
Wonder if he'll lash out at McCain oberliner Jul 2017 #36
His tweet after the vote leftynyc Jul 2017 #40
Afraid this is just a ratchet up of tension for the mid-season finale of our reality show government Midnight Writer Jul 2017 #6
McTurtle is fuming Dopers_Greed Jul 2017 #9
The look on his face after McCain served him up a giant sh*tburger, priceless. harun Jul 2017 #45
K&R!!! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #10
Never thought I'd say this, but... DrToast Jul 2017 #11
Ha! Me too DesertRat Jul 2017 #15
Hilarious gif! Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2017 #55
It's one of my favorites! DesertRat Jul 2017 #56
"Drama and disarray" could be the new GOP motto. Tanuki Jul 2017 #13
Lawrence McDonnell just said repeal efforts are over .. Hieronymus Jul 2017 #16
🍻 sprinkleeninow Jul 2017 #20
I sort of heard part of that but didn't carch it all. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #21
I do not believe that... LeftInTX Jul 2017 #23
Mc Lame resigns or dies rpannier Jul 2017 #31
They can kick and scream all they want, not enough votes is harun Jul 2017 #46
I hope he is right, but I am not sure what he is basing that on still_one Jul 2017 #24
Does that mean he's going to be impeached soon? qanda Jul 2017 #27
I hear ya - time to get rid of this guy FakeNoose Jul 2017 #43
O'Donnell CountAllVotes Jul 2017 #28
He must be banking on Crapper John not retiring or dying rpannier Jul 2017 #32
May the koch brothers not fooled Jul 2017 #19
There'll be lots of drunk .. Hieronymus Jul 2017 #22
They never had a damned thing to begin with CountAllVotes Jul 2017 #29
Good Ridence UCmeNdc Jul 2017 #25
Agreed. Dworkin Jul 2017 #26
What a relief! (until they shut down the gov't in Sept) Mountain Mule Jul 2017 #30
K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #33
McCain, Collins, and Murkowski come through oberliner Jul 2017 #35
Interesting trio DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #37
Really? former9thward Jul 2017 #41
Understandably oberliner Jul 2017 #50
Whatever his reasoning, it sure was a missile DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #54
Good news. gademocrat7 Jul 2017 #38
Yes, Good News. watoos Jul 2017 #39
Trump lost McCain's vote--and he alienated another key R, Murkowski, in a way that could last. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2017 #47
What a delightful thing to wake up to! ProgressiveValue Jul 2017 #48
How about Republicans working with Democrats to amend the ACA to sinkingfeeling Jul 2017 #49
Trump would take the credit oberliner Jul 2017 #51
I did not expect to wake up to this news. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2017 #52
Maybe they should reach across the aisle and repeal Trump bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #57

Salviati

(6,009 posts)
2. Looks like I owe an apology to John McCain
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 01:42 AM
Jul 2017

He voted against his party leadership when it actually meant something. Granted, as is his M.O., he did it in the face of extreme public support for his position, but it still counts for something.

BigmanPigman

(51,680 posts)
12. No you don't. He grand-standed and then voted to kill millions
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:01 AM
Jul 2017

even though he "got his from taxpayers' money". That is not a hero. He had his chance and blew it. He is GOP and voted with them. If he hadn't we wouldn't be going through this crap right now!

You should give credit where it is due... the people who have been resisting in every way possible for months and months. I began calling them back in January! I marched and attended die-in/candle light vigils while ill myself!

Salviati

(6,009 posts)
14. Well, I'm not going to give him much credit...
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:14 AM
Jul 2017

I'm just going to concede that he may not be entirely a piece of shit human being. I'll give him about as much credit as I do the ultra-conservatives that decide to not hate their own gay children. I shouldn't have to give them credit for that, but that's the world we live in these days I guess.

Demsrule86

(68,875 posts)
44. I give credit where credit is due also. For whatever reason, he saved healthcare for at least
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 08:30 AM
Jul 2017

16 million maybe more. I believe had this passed, the markets would have collapsed.

theophilus

(3,750 posts)
17. I believe you are wrong, BP.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:23 AM
Jul 2017

Mr. McCain did play the role of a hero in this one. He knows he really has nothing to lose. Look at all the rest. If we cannot thank the man along with the two women then we are like the Repugs. We must be better than they are. Give him credit for staring into the face of death and doing something that is right, whatever his reason may be. I , for one, for now, say "Thank you, Mr. McCain. I shook his hand when he was pushing campaign finance reform a million years ago. Tonight I am glad I did so, once again.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
34. Yes, it was a final shining moment for McCain. And I'm no fan but I'll give him his due.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:16 AM
Jul 2017

I think he had a little fun with his face off with the bully McConnell glaring at him.

hibbing

(10,119 posts)
5. What is tiny hands going to do?
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 01:47 AM
Jul 2017

Respond thoughtfully and rationally I am sure. I hope this vote is hung around the neck of all of the senators in half way competitive states.


Peace

cstanleytech

(26,373 posts)
18. Probably tell them to keep trying to pass it and offer up varies bribes and or threats to the
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:23 AM
Jul 2017

hold outs to get one of them to swing their vote.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
40. His tweet after the vote
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:19 AM
Jul 2017

blamed 3 republicans and 48 Democrats. Says to let the ACA fail and then deal with it.

BigmanPigman

(51,680 posts)
21. I sort of heard part of that but didn't carch it all.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:25 AM
Jul 2017

Can you fill me in...I am kind of light headed right now.

LeftInTX

(25,849 posts)
23. I do not believe that...
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:42 AM
Jul 2017

They are obsessed with repealing.

The Koch's are demanding it.

As soon as Turtle head can find another scheme, he will try again.

It may be tomorrow, next week, who knows

harun

(11,348 posts)
46. They can kick and scream all they want, not enough votes is
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 08:45 AM
Jul 2017

not enough votes.

Graham, McCain, Murcowski and Collins have all had enough with trying to make Trump look good.

(I know Graham didn't vote against it but he is sick of Trumps BS and is publicly saying so)

qanda

(10,422 posts)
27. Does that mean he's going to be impeached soon?
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:12 AM
Jul 2017

Because this zombie bill seems to have a million lives.

FakeNoose

(32,930 posts)
43. I hear ya - time to get rid of this guy
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:57 AM
Jul 2017

Unfortunately all this fake healthcare crap would be happening anyway, even without Trump. The only way to end this is to get a majority in the Senate.



rpannier

(24,354 posts)
32. He must be banking on Crapper John not retiring or dying
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 04:43 AM
Jul 2017

Cuz if either of those things happen, Mitch the Turtle will be on it real quick

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
30. What a relief! (until they shut down the gov't in Sept)
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 04:13 AM
Jul 2017

So happy that at least the nation has a reprieve - for now. That reptilican repeal and replace bill is like a thousand headed hydra, tho. Bet it comes back at some point. Now on to the drama of dumbf's horrid proposed budget and tax cuts for the upper 1% come fall.

DeminPennswoods

(15,307 posts)
37. Interesting trio
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:33 AM
Jul 2017

Murkowski lost a GOP primary, then was elected as a write-in candidate with bi-partisan support.

Collins actually met with Mainers during the 4th of July recess and heard an overwhelming majority of her constituents say they supported her opposition to repeal.

McCain recently got pretty much a terminal brain cancer diagnosis.

None had/have any reason to fear Trump or his minions.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. Understandably
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 09:43 AM
Jul 2017

Seemed odd for him to vote the way he did previously in light of the speech that he gave. Perhaps he had this dramatic conclusion in mind from the outset.

gademocrat7

(10,693 posts)
38. Good news.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:00 AM
Jul 2017

Millions of American families will still have health insurance. Planned Parenthood will continue to save women's lives and Mcturdle and Chump are defeated .

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
39. Yes, Good News.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 07:19 AM
Jul 2017

It was 20 years ago but I believe my mother had similar brain cancer, she only made it 4 months.
Best wishes and good health John McCain because the moment you die Republicans will be dancing.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,805 posts)
47. Trump lost McCain's vote--and he alienated another key R, Murkowski, in a way that could last.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 09:24 AM
Jul 2017
Trump lost McCain's vote--and he alienated another key R, Murkowski, in a way that could last. By @jameshohmann



The Daily 202: Trump’s hardball tactics backfire as ‘skinny repeal’ goes down
By James Hohmann July 28 at 7:02 AM

With Breanne Deppisch and Joanie Greve

THE BIG IDEA: President Trump’s attacks on Republican senators are finally catching up with him, and Lisa Murkowski will not be bullied.

-- A last-ditch effort to keep the Obamacare repeal push alive went down by a vote of 51 to 49 in the wee hours of Friday morning,
with three GOP members breaking ranks: John McCain, Susan Collins and Murkowski. ... Mitch McConnell then pulled the legislation from consideration. “It is time to move on,” a dejected majority leader said.

-- There is nothing Trump can do any more that will get to McCain. Battling an aggressive form of brain cancer, the maverick was willing to vote “no” on the “skinny repeal” amendment so that other GOP colleagues who were also opposed to the measure could vote “yes” to save face with the conservative base. To this day, Trump has never apologized for saying that the former fighter pilot was not a war hero because he got captured in Vietnam. It gets less attention, but the president also besmirched the Arizona senator’s character by repeatedly accusing him of not taking care of other veterans. McCain has never forgotten.

-- A lot of the media coverage in the wake of the vote will focus on McCain, because he's the most famous, and Collins was always going to vote “no.” But Murkowski’s opposition was equally decisive and perhaps most illustrative of the problems ahead for Trump. .... Trump, who won Alaska by 15 points, ripped the state’s senior senator on Twitter Wednesday after she opposed a key procedural motion to open debate on health care:

{snip the tweets}

Later that day, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke called Murkowski and the state’s other Republican senator, Dan Sullivan, to threaten that the Trump administration may change its position on several issues that affect the state to punish Murkowski, such as blocking energy exploration and plans to allow the construction of new roads. “The message was pretty clear,” Sullivan told the Alaska Dispatch News. ... Nevertheless, Murkowski persisted. In fact, she took it one step further and demonstrated that she has more leverage over Zinke than he has over her. As chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Murkowski indefinitely postponed a nominations markup that the Interior Department badly wants.
....

James Hohmann is a national political correspondent for The Washington Post. Follow @JamesHohmann

"Nevertheless, Murkowski persisted."

sinkingfeeling

(51,505 posts)
49. How about Republicans working with Democrats to amend the ACA to
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 09:37 AM
Jul 2017

fix problems and restore risk corridor funding?

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