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demmiblue

(36,915 posts)
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:40 PM Sep 2017

Christians in U.S. Military Serve Satan If They Tolerate Other Religions, Air Force Chaplain Says

Source: Newsweek

A U.S. Air Force chaplain who ministers to thousands of men and women at an Ohio base is asserting that Christians in the U.S. Armed Forces “serve Satan” and are “grossly in error” if they support service members' right to practice other faiths.

In an article posted on BarbWire.com three days ago, Captain Sonny Hernandez, an Air Force Reserve chaplain for the 445th Airlift Wing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, criticized Christian service members who rely on the Constitution “and not Christ.”

He wrote: “Counterfeit Christians in the Armed forces will appeal to the Constitution, and not Christ, and they have no local church home—which means they have no accountability for their souls (Heb. 13:17). This is why so many professing Christian service members will say: 'We ‘support everyone’s right’ to practice their faith regardless if they worship a god different from ours because the Constitution protects this right.”

Hernandez continued: “Christian service members who openly profess and support the rights of Muslims, Buddhists, and all other anti-Christian worldviews to practice their religions—because the language in the Constitution permits—are grossly in error, and deceived.”

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/chaplain-urges-service-members-reject-religious-tolerance-665614?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

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Christians in U.S. Military Serve Satan If They Tolerate Other Religions, Air Force Chaplain Says (Original Post) demmiblue Sep 2017 OP
He needs a quick discharge. Kingofalldems Sep 2017 #1
The "other than honorable" kind. DinahMoeHum Sep 2017 #3
Exactly Sanity Claws Sep 2017 #5
Correct. He's violating his oath to uphold the Constitution. yardwork Sep 2017 #60
Get him OUT, elleng Sep 2017 #2
Might be good to remind him what he signed on for... mpcamb Sep 2017 #62
Well, that's one way to make sure you Phoenix61 Sep 2017 #4
It would've been easier sarisataka Sep 2017 #6
I might be mistaken Zorro Sep 2017 #7
Disgusting. hamsterjill Sep 2017 #8
He'll probably be invited to the National Prayer Breakfast now. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #9
the next sentence should read weissmam Sep 2017 #10
Christians in the US Military Not Ruth Sep 2017 #11
I know an ex-Air Force person... Kleveland Sep 2017 #12
Captain Sonny Hernandez apparently doesn't know that President Trump is NCjack Sep 2017 #13
The Air Force Academy genxlib Sep 2017 #14
Captain Hernandez has broken his oath of office supporting the Constitution. LudwigPastorius Sep 2017 #15
This. n/t sarge43 Sep 2017 #53
The service members should chant in unison "Praise Satan" just to watch his head explode. nt chowder66 Sep 2017 #16
The "Constitution" you say.... Grins Sep 2017 #17
It's the Constitution for me! atreides1 Sep 2017 #26
Colorado Springs seems to be a hotbed of radical Christian churches. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2017 #36
I was an officer in the US Army. TomSlick Sep 2017 #47
That sad, little man. gtar100 Sep 2017 #18
That nut job has no place being in uniform MrScorpio Sep 2017 #19
The article is quite frightening. Shrike47 Sep 2017 #20
And once he's removed from his position Zorro Sep 2017 #21
Yep, I'm sure he'll be on Fox News sakabatou Sep 2017 #49
The Air Force is sure full of these types CanonRay Sep 2017 #22
Air Force academy equal planes + Jesus lunasun Sep 2017 #23
More of that old fashioned Christian tolerance we hear so much about! Initech Sep 2017 #24
Counterfeit Christians..." he says keithbvadu2 Sep 2017 #25
He can go fuck himself shenmue Sep 2017 #27
So, in WWII, Hernandez would have sided with Hitler? muntrv Sep 2017 #28
This bastard just spat on many of the grave in Arlington DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #29
OMG! Religion truly is a mental illness. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #30
there are wayyyyyy too many of these christofascist assholes in positions of authority niyad Sep 2017 #31
This guy needs to be fired. n/t woodsprite Sep 2017 #32
well, they serve Satan if they work for Trump .... kwassa Sep 2017 #33
He's not wrong. HAB911 Sep 2017 #34
What the H-E-double L kind of "chaplain" is he? democrank Sep 2017 #35
Oath on Enlistment ThoughtCriminal Sep 2017 #37
sharia lawish. a rose is a rose. flip side of the religion fundamentalists. pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #38
Mikey Weinstein marked50 Sep 2017 #39
You dear marked50, spot on..Mikey Weinstein has been fighting asiliveandbreathe Sep 2017 #55
So he is saying.. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #40
**says the # of complaints have DOUBLED since trumps election!!... riversedge Sep 2017 #41
DOWN WITH GOD!! Angry Dragon Sep 2017 #42
The fact that we, in a secular society, let people hold important government/military jobs... FiveGoodMen Sep 2017 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author turbinetree Sep 2017 #44
He should be f*cking Fired turbinetree Sep 2017 #45
Captain Sonny Hernandez.......... wolfie001 Sep 2017 #46
Here's the article. It's worse than you think. jmowreader Sep 2017 #48
"Do you appeal to the Holy Scripture, or the US Constitution as an ultimate standard?" dalton99a Sep 2017 #56
Bye-bye, Captain. xor Sep 2017 #50
So, Jared Kushner won't be signing up? brooklynite Sep 2017 #51
Out out, damn christofascist Achilleaze Sep 2017 #52
NEXT: REAL Christians Serve Satan If They Tolerate Other Christian Brands dalton99a Sep 2017 #54
Dude! Just Resign your Commission if you no longer want to serve maxrandb Sep 2017 #57
He's using his position as a springboard for political office dalton99a Sep 2017 #58
If he wants to see someone who is serving Satan all he has to do is look in a mirror. hunter Sep 2017 #59
He is employed as a chaplain, not Christian in chief TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #61

mpcamb

(2,881 posts)
62. Might be good to remind him what he signed on for...
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:24 PM
Sep 2017

Don't know what it was, but it wasn't this OT line of reasoning.

That's a book that you can make sound like whatever you want to.

Hmm... very useful from the pupit or your favorite radio station.

maxsolomon

(33,461 posts)
9. He'll probably be invited to the National Prayer Breakfast now.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:52 PM
Sep 2017

How utterly ignorant and offensive. Ugh, Christian Supremacists.

BTW, Chaplain, Buddhism likely influenced Jesus' worldview, since it proceeded him by 500 years. There's nothing anti-Christian about it.

weissmam

(905 posts)
10. the next sentence should read
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 12:52 PM
Sep 2017

Former U.S. Air Force Chaplain - what complete ass--hole and a slap in the face to 100,000s of men and women of other faiths that have served and will serve -

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
12. I know an ex-Air Force person...
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:02 PM
Sep 2017

Of fairly high rank.

He told us that the Air Force is chock full of personnel who are just like this guy.

Born Again, Evangelical narrow minded white Christian God-before-everything types.

I find that attitude very very disturbing, but hey, what else is new in the US?

I cannot help but ponder what would happen to these individuals, if somehow it was clear to them beyond a doubt that their God did not exist, and in fact was completely a creation of man.

I also cannot help but wonder how they can be so ignorant about reality on this planet, where there are religions like Hinduism that were well established thousands of years before Christ.

Oh, I forgot, creation is only 6,000 years old, so that is "fake news".

If only the good people of this earth could just leave all of this nonsense, hatred and disunity behind, and truly work for a better world for all, now.

This farcical pie-in-the-sky model sure is not working.

The wisdom of Tito (Terry) Francona, the coach of the fabulous Cleveland Indians, would go far in this world.

He basically always states that he coaches the team to not worry about the next game, they are here to play and win now.
The players always say this in interviews, and they are surely a marvelous team to know and watch.









NCjack

(10,279 posts)
13. Captain Sonny Hernandez apparently doesn't know that President Trump is
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:05 PM
Sep 2017

an unrepentant whoremonger, and -- read your Bible, Captain -- that puts America's security at risk.

Grins

(7,263 posts)
17. The "Constitution" you say....
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:19 PM
Sep 2017
“Counterfeit Christians in the Armed forces will appeal to the Constitution, and not Christ..."

To which they swore an oath to uphold! I served as an officer in the Army and never met a Chaplain like this. Ever!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,382 posts)
36. Colorado Springs seems to be a hotbed of radical Christian churches.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:08 PM
Sep 2017

I don't know what the church environment is like around West Point or Annapolis.

My Army chaplain was kept things generic and low-key, but that was fifty years ago.

TomSlick

(11,138 posts)
47. I was an officer in the US Army.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 09:14 PM
Sep 2017

In 27 years of service, I never met a chaplain like this AND do not believe it would be tolerated.

Somebody watching this story should tell us how long the good chaplain continues to be a USAF officer.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
18. That sad, little man.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:19 PM
Sep 2017

Not that he ever would but I'd suggest that he get out into the world a little more, meet more people, read more books, study other religions and philosophies (since that seems to be his thing) and learn the histories of at least the major religions (for example, the writings of Huston Smith). This meme in Christianity about all other religions being "of Satan" is a little worn out in today's inter-connected world. Sadly, it still scares a lot of people and I've no doubt he likes that little power trip.

Zorro

(15,756 posts)
21. And once he's removed from his position
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:32 PM
Sep 2017

he'll be making the rounds complaining that he's been persecuted for his religious beliefs.

CanonRay

(14,144 posts)
22. The Air Force is sure full of these types
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:41 PM
Sep 2017

I think it is as a result of the conjunction of the Academy and Colorado Springs. I guess he forgot he swore an oath to uphold the constitution and not to uphold the Bible.

keithbvadu2

(37,044 posts)
25. Counterfeit Christians..." he says
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:59 PM
Sep 2017

Many Protestants and Catholics consider the other to be false Christians.

He does not even have to consider other religions concerning his personal beliefs.

So much for the Judeo-Christian theory of our country's heritage?

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
29. This bastard just spat on many of the grave in Arlington
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:10 PM
Sep 2017

many of which have stars of David or Crescents on them instead of crosses.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
30. OMG! Religion truly is a mental illness.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:11 PM
Sep 2017

Either that, or an inherent flaw in the human brain. If the latter then there's little hope that mankind will survive long enough to evolve beyond it.

niyad

(113,941 posts)
31. there are wayyyyyy too many of these christofascist assholes in positions of authority
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:33 PM
Sep 2017

or command in the military. they need to be GONE.

Calling Michael Newdow

HAB911

(8,946 posts)
34. He's not wrong.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:00 PM
Sep 2017

The U.S. military, which defends pride, material success, carnal indulgence, and individual freedom, is The Great Satan.


ThoughtCriminal

(14,052 posts)
37. Oath on Enlistment
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:12 PM
Sep 2017

"I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;..."

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
55. You dear marked50, spot on..Mikey Weinstein has been fighting
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:35 AM
Sep 2017

for years - exactly...

From his website...MRFF -

Mikey Weinstein is the undisputed leader of the national movement to restore the obliterated wall separating church and state in the most technologically lethal organization ever created by humankind: the United States armed forces.

When you do look him up there are so many hateful op-eds against him..and of course..coming in from the real xtians - don'tcha know..

Pathetic - this so called chaplain needs to be dismissed....

LiberalLovinLug

(14,180 posts)
40. So he is saying..
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:48 PM
Sep 2017

They should disavow the Constitution they have sworn an oath to protect,
and to not only believe in his invisible friend exclusively, but to also not tolerate any others from having their own invisible friends. And if you do tolerate this, you are in bed with his invisible monster.

riversedge

(70,448 posts)
41. **says the # of complaints have DOUBLED since trumps election!!...
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:54 PM
Sep 2017



.....MRFF founder Michael Weinstein, a retired Air Force officer, says the article is evidence of the trickle-down effect of President Donald Trump's relationship with the far fringes of the Christian right.

"America’s military members look to the president for direction and inspiration," Weinstein said. "Trump’s statements and actions have fully endorsed and validated this unbridled tidal wave of fundamentalist Christian persecution, which is now more inextricably intertwined into the very fabric of our Department of Defense than ever before."

Earlier this year, the MRFF told Newsweek that the number of complaints it has received from servicemen and -women in the Army, Air Force, Marines and other branches has doubled since Trump’s election.


Many of the recent charges are coming from members of minority religions, including Roman Catholics, Jews and Muslims, and from atheists. Among the complaints: military family and marital therapy programs are being infused with Protestant Christianity, which would violate the U.S. Constitution; open anti-Semitism; anti-LGBT statements, posters, symbols and bullying; openly anti-Muslim teachers and Islamophobic attacks; a rise in on-base evangelizing; and increased pressure on recruits or lower-level personnel and service members to convert to fundamentalist Christianity.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
43. The fact that we, in a secular society, let people hold important government/military jobs...
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 05:59 PM
Sep 2017

...while saying shit like this, is unacceptable.

If this chaplain had said something like "black people are no good and don't belong in the army" he'd be canned.

And he should also lose his job for the statement he DID make.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

dalton99a

(81,707 posts)
56. "Do you appeal to the Holy Scripture, or the US Constitution as an ultimate standard?"
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:44 AM
Sep 2017

The asshole is a clear public menace, and yes, he's got higher ambitions




xor

(1,204 posts)
50. Bye-bye, Captain.
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:11 AM
Sep 2017

I can't see this being tolerated by an officer or someone who has much sway over people as a chaplain.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
52. Out out, damn christofascist
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:16 AM
Sep 2017

This is America. The freaking Pilgrims came here to escape the freaking chistofascists of Europe. Get a freaking clue about E Pluribus Unum. And resign immediately. You have disgraced yourself and the Air Force.

maxrandb

(15,393 posts)
57. Dude! Just Resign your Commission if you no longer want to serve
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:47 AM
Sep 2017

There's no need to go through the whole Summary, General Court Martial process.

dalton99a

(81,707 posts)
58. He's using his position as a springboard for political office
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:52 AM
Sep 2017

and other money-making opportunities

hunter

(38,350 posts)
59. If he wants to see someone who is serving Satan all he has to do is look in a mirror.
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:39 PM
Sep 2017

Why does the Air Force tolerate this shit?

Seems to me the devil did take Sonny Hernandez up to the parapet of the temple, and that he failed the test. Those weren't the wigs of heavenly angels carrying him down.

Matthew 4:5

A lot of these Air Force jocks do fail that test.

If it were up to me, I'd severely prune back the entire military industrial complex, and then I'd dissolve the Air Force back into the Army, Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard, leaving out all the self-proclaimed right wing Christian nut jobs.

Guys like Hernandez and the higher ranks that defend them shouldn't be anywhere near nuclear weapons. The scary thing is that the radical right Christian wing of the Air Force probably has a few stashed away for their masturbatory Armageddon fantasies.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,254 posts)
61. He is employed as a chaplain, not Christian in chief
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 01:29 PM
Sep 2017

If he is uncomfortable with other faiths, he has no business being an Air Force chaplain. A chaplain's job is to offer spiritual counsel, not for his personal beliefs and personal brand of Christianity on others.

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