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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:37 PM Nov 2017

Poll: Nearly half of white Southerners feel like they're under attack

Source: The Hill




BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 11/12/17 04:27 PM EST

Nearly half of white Americans living in the South feel like they’re under attack, a new Winthrop Poll found.

Forty-six percent of white Southerners said they agree or strongly agree that white people are under attack in the U.S. More than three-fourths of black respondents said they believe racial minorities are under attack.

And 30 percent of all respondents in the poll agreed that America must protect and preserve its white European heritage. More than half of respondents disagreed with the statement. Forty percent of respondents also said they believed that Confederate statues should remain as is, while nearly a quarter said a plaque should be added to contextualize the statue.

Twenty-seven percent of respondents said the statues should be moved to a museum. Nearly half of black respondents said the statues should be in museums, and a quarter said they should be completely removed.



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Poll: Nearly half of white Southerners feel like they're under attack (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2017 OP
they are. and until they change their racist, sexist, hateful ways they will remain msongs Nov 2017 #1
Trump voters have little to be proud of. They do not honor our Constitution. The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #3
And when you lump them together like that, you perpetuate their perception. 7962 Nov 2017 #11
It was implied the object was not all white men, but 49% of all white men. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #56
I've lived a lot of places from Boston to Atlanta, Appleton WI to Kansas City greymattermom Nov 2017 #61
I've never been to KC, but a friend told me pretty much the same thing. 7962 Nov 2017 #64
They're still fighting the Civil War. SergeStorms Nov 2017 #12
I lived and worked in the south negoldie Nov 2017 #63
You beat me to posting pretty much this. bitterross Nov 2017 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author aeromanKC Nov 2017 #2
Well, hell - aren't we all in one way or another. That's just called living in this world. sandensea Nov 2017 #4
More likely than not, they're afraid of retribution. no_hypocrisy Nov 2017 #5
Attacked with 'winning'? That's a first.lol SummerSnow Nov 2017 #6
We can thank Fox 'news' and hate radio for this. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #7
The question is, how can that propaganda be stopped? BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #10
At first, at the grass roots level, with education of people door to door and PatrickforO Nov 2017 #38
I doubt I will live long enough to see Citizens United scrapped BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #48
Polarity and rhythm are 2 of the laws of the universe. Nothing can break them. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #52
Very sage thoughts...you remind me of the French people in Nice. BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #53
That's encouraging to read, Bigman. What doesn't Hortensis Nov 2017 #54
Good. Get used to it. samir.g Nov 2017 #8
Poor babies dont like their racism and stupity exposed. kimbutgar Nov 2017 #9
Snowflakes ProudLib72 Nov 2017 #13
I'm sure they do, they never get out of these podunk towns so they believe blueinredohio Nov 2017 #14
Their under attack by the GOP and to dumb to know it TEB Nov 2017 #15
.. roamer65 Nov 2017 #28
White Americans ARE under attack thbobby Nov 2017 #16
slap out of fucks to give. KG Nov 2017 #17
Searching pockets for available tears of sympathy . . . . hatrack Nov 2017 #18
GOOD Skittles Nov 2017 #19
in a word azureblue Nov 2017 #20
Here's the methodology . . . hatrack Nov 2017 #21
and who did they call? azureblue Nov 2017 #44
Both the poll and the post effectively troll for signs of bigotry. Hortensis Nov 2017 #30
True enough - you can make a poll deal cards if you want to . . . hatrack Nov 2017 #39
Maybe if they believed in science, equal rights, Miigwech Nov 2017 #22
They sure are, the GOP has been punching them in the gut for years. Afromania Nov 2017 #24
I protect my white heritage Cirque du So-What Nov 2017 #25
I'm offering thoughts and prayers.... Historic NY Nov 2017 #26
Whiners Thekaspervote Nov 2017 #27
Boo fuckin hoo....... dawnie51 Nov 2017 #29
+1! sandensea Nov 2017 #31
White heritage?, never heard of it. SonofDonald Nov 2017 #32
Anybody else here watch "Finding Your Roots"... llmart Nov 2017 #41
White Heritage? DBoon Nov 2017 #33
As stated above exactly on the mark... magicarpet Nov 2017 #47
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." Golden Raisin Nov 2017 #34
Poor snowflakes...isn't Trumpy Jesus your savior? LeftInTX Nov 2017 #35
Fox Viewers unhip white guy Nov 2017 #36
damn straight I feel under attack Lithos Nov 2017 #37
Under attack. Words used to matter. What does that mean? bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #40
IOW, half of white Southerners feel like ALL the non-whites have felt for decades! N/T TheDebbieDee Nov 2017 #42
This in so many ways. And I'm an old white guy. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #45
Civil war statues to museums is a good idea. How about civil war cemeteries & battlefields also? Sunlei Nov 2017 #43
Loss of Entitlement is Not the Same as Discrimination or Being Under Attack dlk Nov 2017 #46
Back in time rsexaminer Nov 2017 #49
The question is too vague DavidDvorkin Nov 2017 #50
No, what's killing them is diabetes. nt SunSeeker Nov 2017 #51
Northerners might also complain they are under attack by white Southerners. Vinca Nov 2017 #55
What was it obama Maxheader Nov 2017 #57
As for being a racist, Cold War Spook Nov 2017 #58
Like Germans were constantly under attack by the Jews dalton99a Nov 2017 #59
The pedophile half? lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #60
These southerns are in danger of becoming minorities Gothmog Nov 2017 #62
I'd like to read that plaque: he fought to protect rape, murder, & stealing babies from their mother yurbud Nov 2017 #65
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
11. And when you lump them together like that, you perpetuate their perception.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:56 PM
Nov 2017

Not all white southerners are racists. Not a majority of them are either. Certainly some ARE. And certainly some northern whites are as well.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
56. It was implied the object was not all white men, but 49% of all white men.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:29 AM
Nov 2017

It was directly implied the object was not all white men, but 49% of all white men.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
61. I've lived a lot of places from Boston to Atlanta, Appleton WI to Kansas City
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:31 PM
Nov 2017

and there are racists everywhere. In the South, people are more openly racist, while in the North, they just avoid seeing folks who don't look like them. The most racist place I ever lived was Kansas City. The only African American kids in my chidren's school were Joe Carter's children.

SergeStorms

(19,205 posts)
12. They're still fighting the Civil War.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:57 PM
Nov 2017
Of course they're under attack. Until that 30% - who think their "white heritage" needs to be protected - join the rest of America, they'll always be "under attack". Their "heritage" of owning other human beings is wrong, dead wrong, and it's time for them to jettison that evil "heritage". It's past time to jettison that evil "heritage".

negoldie

(198 posts)
63. I lived and worked in the south
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 01:46 PM
Nov 2017

for many years. There is saying in Eastern Kentucky regarding an implied disrespect of white folks. In these folks twisted minds government subsidies like snap and medicaid go mostly to folks of color, while they collect disability and receive medicaid or medicare. The saying goes something like this: Poor white and out of sight.
They don't know what they don't know, yet vote republican to the bitter end because......bible?

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
23. You beat me to posting pretty much this.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:28 PM
Nov 2017

Totally agree. Their way of life is under attack. As well it should be!

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

sandensea

(21,720 posts)
4. Well, hell - aren't we all in one way or another. That's just called living in this world.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:47 PM
Nov 2017

Touchy bastards aren't they (the Republican ones).

PatrickforO

(14,605 posts)
7. We can thank Fox 'news' and hate radio for this.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:54 PM
Nov 2017

Decades of racist dog whistles and sowing of hatred. People have to be taught to hate. In some cases, it's the parents. In others, its our lack of a Fairness Doctrine and big-business propaganda. Make no mistake. Charlie Koch and the rest of the 'donor class' have some big expectations of tax cuts, which will pick our pockets.

They need us to hate one another, because bitter division enriches them.

PatrickforO

(14,605 posts)
38. At first, at the grass roots level, with education of people door to door and
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 09:39 PM
Nov 2017

on social media, as our most recent victories attest.

Next, when we get strong enough, we need a 21st century Fairness Doctrine. Lots of deep pockets will line up against that, though. Just as many as when we overturn Citizens United.

BigmanPigman

(51,673 posts)
48. I doubt I will live long enough to see Citizens United scrapped
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:28 AM
Nov 2017

let alone a Fairness Doctrine. It seems like it is always us against them and the rich control everything more than ever.

PatrickforO

(14,605 posts)
52. Polarity and rhythm are 2 of the laws of the universe. Nothing can break them.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 02:49 AM
Nov 2017

Eventually the pendulum will swing back that far. It will.

I'm an optimist, and see signs even now that the pendulum is moving away from the crazy right. Many, many people are putting out healing energy, as well as performing healing actions in their lives.

BigmanPigman

(51,673 posts)
53. Very sage thoughts...you remind me of the French people in Nice.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 03:08 AM
Nov 2017

I lived there in 2005 for a little while when I couldn't take Bush and the "war" attitude of the US any longer without slitting my throat. This was in the days of Freedom Fries too. When I asked the French if they hated Americans they always said, "Bad leaders come and bad leaders go, things will change again". My sister was there a month ago and they have they same attitude towards The Moron (the current, bigger Moron). It is comforting to know that people like that, and you are one, still exist. THANKS!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. That's encouraging to read, Bigman. What doesn't
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 07:03 AM
Nov 2017

jump out from this poll is that OVER HALF of southerners polled denied the enticement to agree with the question. Given the extreme polarity over these issues, it seems likely that southern manners are disguising a very wide schism here also.

I'm with Patrick. Our grandparents did it. However, I confess I'm worried. This time the koch-types learned from that and early on set out to divide and conquer the electorate, and they've succeeded to the point that I wonder if it sometimes makes some of them nervous. There's very little reporting on religious right extremists, but the kochsters have aligned with them and they're no doubt very busy and determined.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
14. I'm sure they do, they never get out of these podunk towns so they believe
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:58 PM
Nov 2017

whatever they're told or see on t.v. which is usually Fox news

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
16. White Americans ARE under attack
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:02 PM
Nov 2017

Domestic White Terrorists kill all people. Black Americans, Hispanics, Muslim. If an American is still alive, Beware the NRA led terrorists that are killing them because hey it is profitable for the merchants of death.

hatrack

(59,606 posts)
18. Searching pockets for available tears of sympathy . . . .
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:08 PM
Nov 2017

. . . turning out pockets . . .

Nope.

azureblue

(2,158 posts)
20. in a word
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:10 PM
Nov 2017

bullshit. I live in the South, and have friends throughout the South, in Cities and rural areas. Not one of my friends feels "under attack: I do not. Maybe you'd find one out of 200 hundred that feels that way, but you'd find teh same ration in about any part of the country.

The so called survey is a steaming load of caca, designed to divide and distract.

I'm surprised people here are dumb enough to fall for it.

hatrack

(59,606 posts)
21. Here's the methodology . . .
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:19 PM
Nov 2017

For this latest Winthrop Poll, callers surveyed 830 residents in 11 Southern states by landline and cell phones between Oct. 22 and Nov. 5. The Southern states are Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia. Results which use all respondents have a margin of error of approximately +/- 3.4% at the 95% confidence level. Subgroups have higher margins of error. Margins of error are based on weighted sample size.

Then there's your personal experience, which is different. The fact that it's different doesn't invalidate the poll.

azureblue

(2,158 posts)
44. and who did they call?
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:15 PM
Nov 2017

830 people. I easily know three times that, in all of the Southern states, and I know maybe four people who would fit the poll's definition. The poll is invalid or skewed. Or once again, an attempt to try to paint Southerner as bigoted or as white supremacists. Let me clue you in here - you can get the same numbers in any state of the union, if you know who to call..

there is no defending this bullshit poll. Really now, almost half of all Southerners feels threatened? That even defies common sense, much less logic..

And I will add this: 34% of Georgia's population is black. MS is 38%. LA is 33% So, using the polls numbers: let's average out the number of black folks per state at 35%. So 35% of 830 is about 290. The poll claims that 46% feel threatened, right? So the poll is saying that roughly 140 blacks feel "threatened"? That blacks are threatening their lifestyle? Get real......

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Both the poll and the post effectively troll for signs of bigotry.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:25 PM
Nov 2017

And here they are. Ask questions inviting people to reveal their ignorance and some of the more unpleasant facets of their characters and you certainly won't be eliciting their finer ones. As we see from some of the responses here.

I live in the south also, and their good facets are what people show most of the time. Of course. But they're very real.

But I wouldn't say what the poll results suggest is completely invalid, though given what we know about the validity of polling data I'd take the figures with a grain of salt.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
22. Maybe if they believed in science, equal rights,
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:19 PM
Nov 2017

civil rights .... basically, the ideals that make us proud to be Americans ..... we could accept them but they are so damn backwards

Cirque du So-What

(26,032 posts)
25. I protect my white heritage
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:41 PM
Nov 2017

by applying sunscreen. Beats the alternative. Aside from that, everything inherent to 'white heritage' will either survive the test of time or go the way of the dodo bird.

Thekaspervote

(32,823 posts)
27. Whiners
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:06 PM
Nov 2017

Get a life. Why don't you try the life of a PTSD vet living homeless on lower Wacker dr in Chicago? Colder than billy hell! Or the Hispanic that's lived here, paid taxes all their life and about to be deported!! G--damn it. STFU

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
32. White heritage?, never heard of it.
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:41 PM
Nov 2017

My Generation of my Family has Hawaiin blood in my cousins, my children's generation has Aleutian Islander in mine and my sisters kids, my Daughter dates a Black Man.

One of these days the only thing white left in my family will be a Northern European name.

And no history of racism to remember.

And that's the way it should be.

llmart

(15,569 posts)
41. Anybody else here watch "Finding Your Roots"...
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:08 PM
Nov 2017

on PBS? If so, the things he reveals about one's heritage are almost always shocking to the person he's researching. Some of them are white as the snow but have African American genes in their DNA.

These whining ignoramuses need to get over themselves. No one promised the a rose garden.

DBoon

(22,430 posts)
33. White Heritage?
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:43 PM
Nov 2017

I'm white and I have nothing in common with their "white heritage"

The only thing all white Americans have in common is beating up on non-whites. It is a culture defined by who we aren't.

You wanna talk about Irish American heritage or Polish American heritage, maybe I can understand that, but "white American" is a completely bogus category.

We Yankees are just as white and just as European as you, and I will be damned if we support your "heritage" of treason and slavery

magicarpet

(14,222 posts)
47. As stated above exactly on the mark...
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 11:57 PM
Nov 2017

You said,
"We Yankees are just as white and just as European as you, and I will be damned if we support your "heritage" of treason and slavery."

---------------------

They refer to it as "White Heritage" because it adds to the facade that what they refer to is of their historic past. The innocent day to day events of times gone past. Our history - we are all entitled to preserve and record our history and the history of our ancestors. Only a mean person would deny you your right to your historic past.

First of all it is not "White Heritage" they wish to preserve it is "White Privilege". They want to cut in line ahead of the black and/or brown man because they think they are better than them and they always deserve a better spot in the social order than the darkies.

If they feel bad or having a cranky day it is their right to take it out on the black man. If they get together in a mob and get shitfaced drunk they have a right to entertain themselves at the expense of the black man.

Hunt a black man down, bind his hands, tie a rope from the bound hands and the other end to the back bumper of a pick up truck. Find a nice long dirt road, start off slow having him run behind the pick up. Then increase the speed little by little until the black man stumbles and falls down then proceed and continue a few more miles dragging this man's body down the dirt road. Southern boys will be boys, sometimes they drink and act out and get kind of rowdy, but they were just having a little bit of fun.

This type of stuff has no place on our society. It has nothing to do with heritage or history but more to do with histrionics and hysterical racism.

Like,
The Rebel flag = hysterical racism
The KKK = hysterical racism
White Supremacy = hysterical racism
The Nazi flag = hysterical racism

This is all part and parcel of Southern history but is nothing to brag or be proud of.

It is long past time to put this monster of rampant racism to rest. Monuments to honor those who proclaimed the virtues of slavery, grotesque racism, and treason against the United States government might be the wrong direction to go.

The goodness and intelligence of man does not often prevail by osmosis - if bull headedness and stubbornness enters the equation the corrective measures often must be forced to achieve the desired results.

Sometimes it seems we are too eager to cover up our blunders or inclined to make a hasty exit for the door to escape the reality of these blunders.

You can't help but wonder if we took the time to analyze our blunders and better understand them, maybe assign some blame for those who caused the blunders and then more fully resolve them, if we might be better off.

If we are in such a hurry to move on and look forward never looking back - our problems and blunders never seem to be resolved but rather come back to haunt us again and again.

It is unfortunate that at the end of the Civil War it was not clearly spelled out that slavery and it's step sister racism, and treason committed by the south was a despicable and vile act, this should have been understood in no uncertain terms - no ifs, and, or buts.

But we somehow allowed to let these issues slide, then come back to haunt us, then slow boil, bubble, and fester. Next, then to compound the issue we permitted the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy access to public space to erect monuments to the "heroes" of slavery, racism, and treasonous acts that caused the loss in excess of 400,000 lives in all out civil warfare.

Do the officers and soldiers of the Confederate Army deserve to be held up as heroes with monuments, statues, schools, public buildings, and federal military bases named after them ? Should we really be celebrating slavery and treason, because that seems exactly what we are doing and have been doing for a prolonged period of time.

What can we expect next - erecting granite and bronze monuments and statues to Osama bin Ladin, Adolph Hitler, General Pinochet, and Idi Amin ?

The most despicable monsters of the world carved into marble likenesses so we can always remember and tell our children about them so our cherished heroes are never forgotten no matter how monstrous their acts.

Are we sure this is the correct and proper thing to do - monsters should not be our heroes. A mere footnote in the annals of history books is the best they deserve but to be worshiped they deserve not to be so entitled or remembered quite so endearingly.

Golden Raisin

(4,619 posts)
34. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:51 PM
Nov 2017

EXCEPT: No Blacks, Browns, Asians, Jews, Hispanics, Muslims, Gays, Native Americans, etc. need apply. Whiny-ass, privileged white Americans in the South should just secede again. They can ban all of the above groups, have 24/7 Jay-zus as mandatory state religion, NRA and open carry, NASCAR and all the rest. They'd probably be fine with bringing back slavery.

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
37. damn straight I feel under attack
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 09:35 PM
Nov 2017

By greedy corporations and religious types who are pushing some very biased agendas.

L-

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
40. Under attack. Words used to matter. What does that mean?
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

This type of poll moves conversation into dead ends unless pollsters learn to force people to articulate words through the lense of logic and reason.

If this feeling is about the statue ,then just say that. Does that issue mean that whites are “under attack”?
How else are they under attack? Economically? Then who is attacking them? African Americans? Hispanics? Aliens? If so there is no data or discussion to support that belief.

We can’t discuss our living in the same country if we surrender to feeling polls. It is so sloppy intellectually. I wish the Hill or the College that ran the poll would insert reason and logic back into the discussion. Otherwise the “ feelings”of “under attack” leaves no room for discussion and increase the laziness and dumbed down thought that allows feelings to become the malignant policy and politics of Trumpism.

dlk

(11,606 posts)
46. Loss of Entitlement is Not the Same as Discrimination or Being Under Attack
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:48 PM
Nov 2017

It may feel like it to those who see their primacy being challenged but it's not the same.

DavidDvorkin

(19,510 posts)
50. The question is too vague
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 01:07 AM
Nov 2017

The other questions in the poll are fairly specific. This one was "White people are currently under attack in this country." (Agree, Strongly Agree, etc.) That can be interpreted in a number of ways. I wish they had phrased it differently.

Vinca

(50,334 posts)
55. Northerners might also complain they are under attack by white Southerners.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:32 AM
Nov 2017

We don't want your guns, your fundamentalist religion or your 32 year old son dating our 14 year old daughters.

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
57. What was it obama
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:47 AM
Nov 2017

finally said about trump during the campaign...
Specifically to the gop politicos, frothing at
the mouth from dons anti-gop stance..
"reap what you sow"

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
58. As for being a racist,
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:10 AM
Nov 2017

I was talking with a neighbor when I first moved to the South. I don't know why, but he told me he was a racist. We have Black neighbors and friends. I asked him how he was a racist and he answered it differently than I expected. He said it was because when the Civil War ended, Blacks should have been allowed to go to the same schools and get the same education as Whites. I told him he needed to talk with his pastor, who is Black, about what a racist is.

Gothmog

(145,965 posts)
62. These southerns are in danger of becoming minorities
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 01:16 PM
Nov 2017

These southerns treated minorities like crap and fear that the same will be done to them when they are in the minority

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
65. I'd like to read that plaque: he fought to protect rape, murder, & stealing babies from their mother
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 05:01 PM
Nov 2017

to sell.

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