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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:57 AM Nov 2017

US troops in Japan banned from drinking after fatal crash

Source: arabnews World

TOKYO: US Forces in Japan banned all personnel from consuming alcohol after a drink-driving accident on the island of Okinawa where anti-base sentiment runs high.
A US Marine crashed his vehicle into a mini-truck at an intersection on Sunday, killing the other driver, 61.
The 21-year-old, whose breath test showed an alcohol level three times the legal limit, was arrested and charged with negligent driving resulting in death, police said.
All US servicemen stationed in Japan are now banned from drinking, both on and off base, the US Forces in Japan said in a statement.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said Tokyo made an immediate complaint about the case to the US side, demanding the US military enforce strict discipline and take preventive steps.
“It is extremely regrettable that this accident happened even though the Japanese government has repeatedly asked them for the thorough implementation of preventive measures and enforcement of disciplines,” Suga told reporters.
The US has several military bases in Japan and stations about 47,000 troops in the country as part of a joint security treaty.
But crimes by US personnel have seen relations with locals strained.
In the most recent case, a former US Marine employed at the US Air Force’s sprawling Kadena Air Base on Okinawa was charged with the murder of a 20-year-old woman last year.
The incident intensified longstanding local opposition to the American military presence on the island.
Commanders across Japan will immediately lead mandatory training to address responsible alcohol use, risk management and acceptable behavior, the US statement added.
Okinawa accounts for nearly 75 percent of land allotted for US bases in Japan, despite being only a fraction of the country’s total area.

Read more: http://www.arabnews.com/node/1196311/world

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Baconator

(1,459 posts)
8. We do have off time you know...
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 06:53 PM
Nov 2017

... and some choose to make poor use of it.

Human beings... Whodda thunk?

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
11. there is no excuse for anyone in the US, military or not to drink and drive...
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:06 PM
Nov 2017

but it happens everyday. Should we revert back to prohibition?

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
14. The problem with that is that people don't change much.
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 03:02 PM
Nov 2017

They will, however, go to astonishing efforts to not change. So rather than expending effort to change the behavior demanded by a blanket order, they'll conceal that behavior.

Then they'll start concealing it in the paperwork and the disciplinary reports. Once you start falsifying one thing, other important things, like combat readiness estimates, roster strength, and supplies are also tempting to falsify, meaning a unit won't perform as expected in the field. Then a foreign national honey trap will come along, set up a drunken relationship with a clerk, and have a leverage line into administrative-level goings on in US combat units. And so on.

I know all of this because things like this happened in 1950, when several low-strength, alcoholic, oversexed American regiments were deployed from Japan to South Korea. In six weeks they were severely mauled, and the UN barely held the Pusan Perimeter as a result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)#Korean_War

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. honey traps happen anyway drink or no drink.Look at all the elected caught /w sex-traps-past decade
Tue Nov 21, 2017, 03:16 PM
Nov 2017

A alcoholics have a disease, they need help and treatment. We don't need them in our government positions.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
16. Heh, heh....
Wed Nov 22, 2017, 01:47 PM
Nov 2017

... Well, I guess when you figure out how to identify people who spend their entire lives maintaining a deception, make that deception grounds for removal, anticipate what depths such people will be willing to sink to maintain their status, and get to every single one of them before the Chinese and the Russians do, then the problem is solved, isn't it?

All of this should sound exceedingly familiar to everyone who watched the military and intelligence communities in the US get burned time after time for maintaining a state of institutionalized homophobia. Not only did it not work, it created an enormous liability that could be easily exploited to made dishonest people out of otherwise extremely reliable people.

I think the better way is to be even more open about it. You want to drink? Fine. Tell your OD that you're going out on the piss, have him assign a designated driver and chaperon to your crew, have the MPs waiting in the wings, and make sure they behave. Record the behavior and when it becomes habitual or dangerous, intervene before it can become a problem. Honesty, good information, and rewards for telling it like it is rather than what the brass wants to hear is probably the best way to track and control the problem.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,117 posts)
3. This saddens me so very much. RIP to the lives that have been lost due to
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:59 AM
Nov 2017

our "sometimes" forced involvement in the affairs of other countries. I am also very angry that there is NOTHING I can do to reduce this travesty.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
5. I'm ignorant about this but are there a significant amount of Japanese businesses (clubs/bars etc.)
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:40 AM
Nov 2017

that profit from U.S. troops frequenting their establishments? Won't this ban on drinking alcohol impact them severely?



 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
6. Yup
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 03:29 PM
Nov 2017

I live near Camp LeJeune and if they wouldn't let the troops drink at all, many restaurants and bars would close. I am not suggesting they get wasted, but they do like a couple of beers with dinner.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
7. They have plenty that depend on base biz plus tourism
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 05:25 PM
Nov 2017

Bars, clubs, restaurants. They have hawks out side these establishments trying to get troops inside, They have blocked sales before, after a murder and rape of a local by US troops. They have major demonstrations there all the time, trying to close town the bases. The police roll in, crack some heads, bus them off. Don't ever want to mess with Okinawa police.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
13. when I was in the military, before we gave Okinawa back to Japan,
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:14 PM
Nov 2017

the island was a huge military complex that provided thousands of civilian jobs to the people of Okinawa. Their economy was dependent on the US military.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
12. our military condones an area within walking distance from any overseas military base I have ever on
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 08:09 PM
Nov 2017

In Korat Thailand, when I was there, they used to have topless dancers in the club on base at lunchtime.

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