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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:41 PM Jan 2018

Virginia court rejects Democrat's bid in tied state House race: media

Source: Reuters



ANUARY 3, 2018 / 1:08 PM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

Ian Simpson


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Virginia recount court on Wednesday rejected a bid by the Democratic candidate in a disputed state House of Delegates race to reconsider its ruling that the election had ended in a tie, Washington’s WTOP radio reported.

The Newport News Circuit Court’s decision means that a lottery-style drawing will go ahead as planned on Thursday to determine the winner of the race between Democrat Shelly Simonds and Republican incumbent David Yancey.

Republicans hold a one-vote margin in the 100-seat House. If Simonds is picked, the chamber would be split 50-50 and force lawmakers into a rare power-sharing arrangement.

A recount had shown that Simonds won the Nov. 7 election by one vote, but judges ruled that a disputed ballot should be counted for Yancey. Simonds then filed a lawsuit asking the judges to reconsider.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-virginia-election/virginia-court-rejects-democrats-bid-in-tied-state-house-race-media-idUSKBN1ES1NP

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Virginia court rejects Democrat's bid in tied state House race: media (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
So why did the judge make the call exactly to change that vote "for" Yancey? It does not pass cstanleytech Jan 2018 #1
She had mentioned there were a bunch of other questionable ballots. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #2
Because of state law. Igel Jan 2018 #6
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Completely disagree bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #4
Uh oh jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #5
Stating the truth unabashedly as I see it bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #28
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Just so you know - about DU .... Lil Missy Jan 2018 #8
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I also agree with you post Anna N/T SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #21
I agree that we don't sink to their level maxrandb Jan 2018 #10
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Just the opposite of the truth. Republicans had the ballot thrown out. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #9
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You've got it wrong. The Republican got a Dem vote thrown out to create the tie. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #14
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And it is wrong. Just think. A one vote lead becomes a one vote loss if the vote switches! L. Coyote Jan 2018 #16
sorry not what i heard bluestarone Jan 2018 #17
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O.K., we are on the same page, disputed ballot was thrown, then counted, a one vote change. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #19
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You moved on a dime from alleging someone is "making things up" to "we're on the same page..." LanternWaste Jan 2018 #22
And I was right about making things up. The vote moved only one vote. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #23
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agree bluestarone Jan 2018 #26
ugh... Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #24
I think the ballot was not clear and the court violated the law marylandblue Jan 2018 #27

cstanleytech

(26,361 posts)
1. So why did the judge make the call exactly to change that vote "for" Yancey? It does not pass
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:43 PM
Jan 2018

the smell test.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. She had mentioned there were a bunch of other questionable ballots.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

But I guess they only count if it helps the RePutin candidate.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
6. Because of state law.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:00 PM
Jan 2018

And the usual interpretation of that law.

That ballot was chosen because, well, that was the ballot that was challenged by the plaintiff. Of course the choice of ballot was biased toward the plaintiff--what fool would pick a ballot that would have helped his opponent?

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bucolic_frolic

(43,505 posts)
4. Completely disagree
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:55 PM
Jan 2018

The ballot in question is ambiguous. Depends on which legal rule on ballots is applied, or whether the voter was just voting a straight GOP ticket, and even some of those have slashes through them.

Who was legally empowered to determine the ballot? That is the question. Did the election commission empower the 3 judge panel? Did they have the authority to delegate that duty? Does the panel have the power to do anything other than confirm or deny the count in its entirety?

I don't think some of those questions are answerable. I don't think the Democratic candidate had the best legal advice.

Go back to your Republican hole, mole.

bucolic_frolic

(43,505 posts)
28. Stating the truth unabashedly as I see it
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 06:36 PM
Jan 2018

does not make a "tough guy"

Using facts, and steering down the middle with logic and common sense makes for gravitas

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Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
8. Just so you know - about DU ....
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:17 PM
Jan 2018

In general, cyber opinions on DU are like assholes. Everybody has one.



Welcome to DU.

Response to Lil Missy (Reply #8)

maxrandb

(15,401 posts)
10. I agree that we don't sink to their level
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jan 2018

I think what is most tragic about this entire election is that the Democrats won the statewide race by almost 11 Percentage Points, but due to the way the Retrumplicans drew the districts, they still split the Legislature either 50-50, or 51-49 in their favor.

Response to maxrandb (Reply #10)

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
9. Just the opposite of the truth. Republicans had the ballot thrown out.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jan 2018

And the Dem is challenging the authority to do so.

Why are you making shit up?

Like someone said above!

Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
14. You've got it wrong. The Republican got a Dem vote thrown out to create the tie.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jan 2018

And, after the fact at that, so there is an issue of how many times you can recount an election. Can you keep recounting until you get a win? NO.

All this is in the public domain and you should know it if you want to make allegations.

Response to L. Coyote (Reply #14)

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
16. And it is wrong. Just think. A one vote lead becomes a one vote loss if the vote switches!
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jan 2018

But, it became a tie. That's how the draw a name became relevant.

bluestarone

(17,127 posts)
17. sorry not what i heard
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:50 PM
Jan 2018

I thought it was 1 vote lead for the Dem. THEN the panel decided the ballot that they threw out should NOT have been thrown. (this was a ballot marked for a repb, which made it a tie?

Response to L. Coyote (Reply #16)

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. You moved on a dime from alleging someone is "making things up" to "we're on the same page..."
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:08 PM
Jan 2018

You moved on a dime from alleging someone is "making things up" to "we're on the same page..."

Nice attempt!

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
23. And I was right about making things up. The vote moved only one vote.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:11 PM
Jan 2018

And i was wrong about how it moved, to a Republican instead of away from a Dem, but same result and same challenge, contesting the alteration late in the game.

Response to L. Coyote (Reply #23)

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
27. I think the ballot was not clear and the court violated the law
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jan 2018

The ballot was thrown out based on the agreement of the dem and repub watchers. Challenges are only allowed during the recount. Then the final count was made and dems won by one vote. Then the republican had second thoughts after the time to make a challenge had passed. IMO it's too late. You can't wait for the final count then go back and look for ballots you wish you had challenged if you don't like the outcome. If one ballot gets a second chance, why don't they all? How many chances do you have to get the outcome you want?

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