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EarthFirst

(2,906 posts)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:21 PM Jan 2018

Trump ex-Campaign Chair Manafort sues Mueller, Rosenstein, and Department of Justice

Source: CNBC

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has sued special counsel Robert Mueller, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, and the U.S. Department of Justice.

The suit alleges that Mueller has strayed beyond the scope of the investigation he was authorized to pursue, and argues that the charges filed against Manafort have nothing to do with the 2016 presidential election that spurred Mueller's appointment.

"The actions of DOJ and Mr. Rosenstein in issuing the Appointment Order, and Mr. Mueller's actions pursuant to the authority the Order granted him, were arbitrary, capricious, and not in accordance with the law," the suit reads.

The appointment order authorizing Mueller as special counsel permits him to investigate any matters that "may arise directly from the investigation."

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/03/trump-ex-campaign-chair-manafort-sues-mueller-rosenstein-and-department-of-justice.html

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Trump ex-Campaign Chair Manafort sues Mueller, Rosenstein, and Department of Justice (Original Post) EarthFirst Jan 2018 OP
I hope he bankrupts himself with the legal fees Happyhippychick Jan 2018 #1
I was going to say that his lawyers better demand payment up front TexasBushwhacker Jan 2018 #25
"bankrupts himself with the legal fees" He had to hock a couple houses, didn't he? mpcamb Jan 2018 #30
Don't know why his accusations are relevant. Lil Missy Jan 2018 #2
They aren't relevant. But it does matter how a person is caught. Look up Oliver North. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #21
Yeah PatSeg Jan 2018 #22
remind me under what authorization did republicans investigate that whole monica thing? unblock Jan 2018 #3
Oh, but that was different..... acts between consenting adults are everybody's business groundloop Jan 2018 #4
Or Benghazi or fail to properly investigate 9/11... Roland99 Jan 2018 #5
GOP would investigate President Hillary Clinton for Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #26
Different authorizing statute onenote Jan 2018 #7
Starr went everywhere trying to make a case. Went on for over a year. I think it all notdarkyet Jan 2018 #16
five years, believe it or not. unblock Jan 2018 #20
Lock Him Up! jpak Jan 2018 #6
Maybe he's using this to hamstring Mueller's investigation woodsprite Jan 2018 #8
This was my thought as well... EarthFirst Jan 2018 #15
See posts 7 and 10 onenote Jan 2018 #19
Yes. Trump Gang main weapon is endless litigation. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #23
So Mueller is just supposed to ignore any crimes he might uncover? MGKrebs Jan 2018 #9
That, in essence, is the crux of Manafort's lawsuit onenote Jan 2018 #10
Never heard of such a thing...unbelievable. So this means Harvey Weinstein can file suit against iluvtennis Jan 2018 #11
ordinarily, discovery would be a deterrent to this kind of legal abuse 0rganism Jan 2018 #12
Good luck asshole... BlueIdaho Jan 2018 #13
How is this not a SLAPP suit? nt SunSeeker Jan 2018 #14
There is no federal anti-SLAPP lawsuit law. onenote Jan 2018 #32
Sure it would be. It names specific individuals (Brownstein & Mueller). SunSeeker Jan 2018 #35
They'd be SLAPPIN' the wrong party! Lil Missy Jan 2018 #34
Well...good luck with that. paleotn Jan 2018 #17
This BASTARD has broken probation rules BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #18
my thoughts are as days go by Manaforts bluestarone Jan 2018 #24
AG enid602 Jan 2018 #27
Jail that piece of shit now onecaliberal Jan 2018 #28
And speaking of Schneiderman Thekaspervote Jan 2018 #29
According to this, it could get interesting if the suit goes forward........ riversedge Jan 2018 #31
Indeed it is more a delaying/diversionary tactic rather than one with any likelihood to prevail. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2018 #33

TexasBushwhacker

(20,254 posts)
25. I was going to say that his lawyers better demand payment up front
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:58 PM
Jan 2018

Paul will have nothing once Mueller is done with him.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
2. Don't know why his accusations are relevant.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jan 2018

Why would it matter HOW he got caught?

Rhetorical question - I'll stay tuned ...

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,073 posts)
21. They aren't relevant. But it does matter how a person is caught. Look up Oliver North.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:20 PM
Jan 2018

He skated though he was clearly guilty. Because it mattered how he was caught.

But Manafort's main premise that Mueller exceeded his mandate is not a valid legal theory. Mueller's mandate is to follow the facts wherever they go.

PatSeg

(47,750 posts)
22. Yeah
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:22 PM
Jan 2018

A crime is still a crime, even if it isn't what the prosecutor was looking for. If you investigate someone for larceny and in the process uncover a murder, is the murder then invalid?

groundloop

(11,533 posts)
4. Oh, but that was different..... acts between consenting adults are everybody's business
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:30 PM
Jan 2018

Treason, not so much.

Oh my God, these damned repuke traitors are getting desperate aren't they?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,137 posts)
26. GOP would investigate President Hillary Clinton for
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jan 2018

serving caviar at a WH function, as in treason for serving caviar, a Russian delicacy.

But their guy goes into business with the KGB, nothing.

onenote

(42,831 posts)
7. Different authorizing statute
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:40 PM
Jan 2018

Starr was operating under the auspices of the Independent Counsel Act, which authorized the appointment of an "independent prosecutor" by a panel of the DC Circuit who, upon request could (and did) expand or alter the scope of the independent prosecutor's investigation. The Independent Counsel Act expired in 1999 and was replaced by the Special Counsel Act which operates within the DOJ and is not supervised by the Court of Appeals. I haven't looked at the Special Counsel Act closely enough to see how it defines the scope of a special counsel's investigatory power, but from what the article says, it appears that Mueller was granted broad authority and the claim is that Rosenstein didn't have the power under the law to give Mueller such broad authority.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
16. Starr went everywhere trying to make a case. Went on for over a year. I think it all
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jan 2018

Started with whitewater. (I think) Starr jailed Susan?forget last name for over a year for refusing to testify. He’s a real pos.

unblock

(52,494 posts)
20. five years, believe it or not.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:48 PM
Jan 2018

he investigated ever stupid, crazy wacky idea the right wing could come up with.
couldn't find a thing.
finally he talked paula jones' lawyers into suing clinton in civil court so they could try to get him on perjury.

woodsprite

(11,940 posts)
8. Maybe he's using this to hamstring Mueller's investigation
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jan 2018

Could he stop Mueller from announcing any more info re: the Russia/money laundering investigation because they were doing their own investigation of the special counsel?

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
9. So Mueller is just supposed to ignore any crimes he might uncover?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jan 2018

At worst he could just refer it to an appropriate jurisdiction.

onenote

(42,831 posts)
10. That, in essence, is the crux of Manafort's lawsuit
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:59 PM
Jan 2018

It's that there is a process by which the Special Counsel can go to the Attorney General (or in this case Rosenstein) and, after consultation, the Atty Gen'l can expand the scope of the Special Counsel's investigation beyond that specified in the original authorizing order. The claim is that the original authorizing order circumvented this process by giving Mueller authority to investigate matters beyond those specifically described in the authorizing order without having to go to the AG with a showing of need for such expanded authority.

iluvtennis

(19,907 posts)
11. Never heard of such a thing...unbelievable. So this means Harvey Weinstein can file suit against
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:07 PM
Jan 2018

District Attorney once they file charges against him? Maybe Bill Cosby can sue now as charges already filed against him.

0rganism

(23,991 posts)
12. ordinarily, discovery would be a deterrent to this kind of legal abuse
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:12 PM
Jan 2018

but in this case, i'd bet everything worth discovering has already been ... discovered. so go for it mr. Manafort, good luck not saying something you regret while under oath.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
13. Good luck asshole...
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

I hope you end up dead broke and in jail. It could not happen to a meaner son of a bitch.

onenote

(42,831 posts)
32. There is no federal anti-SLAPP lawsuit law.
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:32 AM
Jan 2018

And this suit against the government wouldn't be a SLAPP suit in any event.

SunSeeker

(51,798 posts)
35. Sure it would be. It names specific individuals (Brownstein & Mueller).
Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:02 PM
Jan 2018

And as far as whether anti-SLAPP laws apply in federal court there is a circuit split on the issue. The Ninth and First Circuits have both accorded federal-court defendants the full procedural advantages of anti-SLAPP laws. See, e.g., Batzel v. Smith, 133 F.3d 1018, 1024-26 (9th Cir. 2003); Godin v. Schencks, 629 F.3d 79, 88 (1st Cir. 2010). The DC Circuit, on the other hand, has concluded that anti-SLAPP motions don’t belong in federal courts because they directly conflict with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. See Abbas v. Foreign Policy Grp., LLC, 783 F.3d 1328, 1333-37 (DC Cir. 2015).

Alas, I just realized this case is in the DC Circuit, so you are right in this instance.

But there's always Rule 11!

BigmanPigman

(51,653 posts)
18. This BASTARD has broken probation rules
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:15 PM
Jan 2018

by contacting a Russian to write an article together while he is under indictment and now he pulls this shit?!

bluestarone

(17,122 posts)
24. my thoughts are as days go by Manaforts
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jan 2018

Russian people are feeding him ways to fight his charges. This is why Mueller needs to act fastest possible way here

Thekaspervote

(32,821 posts)
29. And speaking of Schneiderman
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 08:54 PM
Jan 2018

If manafort somehow manages to skate, which the NYT piece quoting several federal prosecutors said the suit is baseless, Schneiderman will immediately pick up and go with RICO charges against him. He's a fool. He thinks the advise he's getting from the Russians will help him?? Really?? They will dump him so fast!!

riversedge

(70,445 posts)
31. According to this, it could get interesting if the suit goes forward........
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jan 2018




...............“If the ultimate objective is to continue to try to undermine the credibility of Mueller and his prosecutors, it could have some value,” said Jimmy Gurulé, a Notre Dame law professor who was a senior Justice Department official in the administration of the first President George Bush. “But in terms of a legal strategy, it’s highly unlikely to prevail.”

Worse for the White House, the lawsuit also invites Mr. Mueller to give a “devastating response” that spells out all the ways Mr. Manafort is relevant to Mr. Trump and the Russia investigation, said Peter Zeidenberg, a former prosecutor who worked on a special counsel investigation during the George W. Bush administration. “If I’m the government, I’m licking my chops to file this response. He’s going to tie a bow on this,” he said of Mr. Mueller.

Even if Mr. Manafort succeeds at every turn, his problems are not over. He could still face charges if new prosecutors decided to bring them. But any court ruling that narrowed Mr. Mueller’s authority would give him less leeway to use unrelated charges as leverage against people close to the president.

Mr. Mueller won the cooperation of Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, for instance, after investigating him for unregistered foreign lobbying and lying to the F.B.I. on matters unrelated to the election.

The lawsuit provides fodder for Republicans who are trying to discredit Mr. Mueller’s investigation. As evidence that Mr. Mueller is biased, critics have pointed to Democratic donations by members of his team and anti-Trump text messages sent by an F.B.I. agent whom Mr. Mueller removed from the investigation.....................
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