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brooklynite

(94,984 posts)
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:15 PM Jan 2018

Sources: Oprah Winfrey 'actively thinking' about running for president

Source: CNN

Oprah Winfrey is "actively thinking" about running for president, two of her close friends told CNN Monday.

The two friends, who requested anonymity in order to speak freely, talked in the wake of Winfrey's extraordinary speech at the Golden Globes Sunday night, which spurred chatter about a 2020 run.

Some of Winfrey's confidants have been privately urging her to run, the sources said.

One of the sources said these conversations date back several months. The person emphasized that Winfrey has not made up her mind about running.

Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/media/oprah-golden-globes/index.html?sr=twCNN010818oprah-golden-globes1007AMStory

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Sources: Oprah Winfrey 'actively thinking' about running for president (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2018 OP
No, just no Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #1
I am with you Perseus Jan 2018 #10
What you said. I have not given up on Senator Franken. nt Still Blue in PDX Jan 2018 #49
Ugh. LisaM Jan 2018 #2
Oh, and by the way, her speech? LisaM Jan 2018 #3
I've seen many comments on FB that it moved friends to tears. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #17
I watched the Golden Globes from tip to tail.... LisaM Jan 2018 #26
I also watched the whole thing and I thought her speech was very powerful. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #28
HOW? HOW? How does anyone think that? LisaM Jan 2018 #37
It sounds like you dislike her, and so the speech fell on deaf ears. You had already pnwmom Jan 2018 #38
I'm just meh about her. I like her sometimes, and not others. LisaM Jan 2018 #40
Not the mention her love of Mark Fuhrman Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2018 #45
And Schwarzenegger, has she ever answered why she endorsed Schwarzenegger. Tikki Jan 2018 #68
Agree 100%. Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #48
Let's check the boxes for a trump meltdown.... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #4
Yes, our child who occupies the White House MUST have meanie names for anyone he doesn't like groundloop Jan 2018 #7
One of the Rogue twitter accounts.. More_Cowbell Jan 2018 #8
Trump should not even contemplate 2020 Perseus Jan 2018 #12
he is all about the campaign..... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #16
"It will make their heads explode" is not a basis for support Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2018 #46
never said I would support her... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #50
I did think it was a good speech More_Cowbell Jan 2018 #5
Oprah would be infinitely better than 45* (but then again, who wouldn't?) groundloop Jan 2018 #6
lots of names on the don't run list please.... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #11
Please, not that idiot. longship Jan 2018 #9
You cast judgement on what you know nothing about! Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #14
I noticed that, too. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #20
Use the Google, my friend. longship Jan 2018 #35
Having them on an entertainment show isn't supporting them. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #36
What is promoting them as a presidential candidate? longship Jan 2018 #47
Well, yes, it actually is. She actively promoted Codeine Jan 2018 #61
Your type of politics is damaging to everyone. Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #64
Don't believe me. Just look it up for yourself. longship Jan 2018 #69
Because too many naive people think Oprah is somehow presidential material. longship Jan 2018 #27
Love it left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #42
You actually called Oprah an idiot. Have you not been paying attention for 30 some years? brush Jan 2018 #51
Show building? Fucking Show Building????? longship Jan 2018 #57
Idiots aren't capable of building a TV network. And you are not worthy of anymore responses. brush Jan 2018 #58
TV networks???? longship Jan 2018 #59
I've got a cousin who was once arrested. Firebrand Gary Jan 2018 #63
Bad analogy Cold War Spook Jan 2018 #65
She supports a psychic surgeon who bilks poor people!!! longship Jan 2018 #66
Dr. Phil has to be a Republican. He has the IQ of a dishrag yurbud Jan 2018 #67
Him, I find mostly harmless. longship Jan 2018 #70
Hmm. Seems like CNN click bait to me. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #13
I have watched as Oprah worked her way upward UpInArms Jan 2018 #15
She knows so much more than her detractors can understand? Demit Jan 2018 #19
Detract away, dear UpInArms Jan 2018 #43
Well said. We could do worse. RandomAccess Jan 2018 #24
I agree - and I've been surprised by the negativity. n/t bloom Jan 2018 #73
Used to think that Democratic voters were smarter than Republican voters delisen Jan 2018 #18
Enough! Plucketeer Jan 2018 #21
Oh Jesus fucking Christ...She isn't running, just promoting her name/brand some more snooper2 Jan 2018 #22
No, thank you. tammywammy Jan 2018 #23
I think it might be a set up mainstreetonce Jan 2018 #25
I just said similar, then I saw your post. herding cats Jan 2018 #30
I think theyre just trolling Trump with this statement. herding cats Jan 2018 #29
In that case.. Please, O, keep it going for a little while.. Then hand it off to a qualified Dem not vkkv Jan 2018 #33
NNNNNnnnnnooooooooooooooo... Stedman !! vkkv Jan 2018 #31
This is madness. madaboutharry Jan 2018 #32
Not just no, HELL NO Lebam in LA Jan 2018 #34
Oprah wants to suck all the air out of the Democrats in 2020? Paladin Jan 2018 #39
Is Bob Barker not available? left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #41
Geez - Do we really need this distraction again? Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2018 #44
Ah, the leaking game rocktivity Jan 2018 #52
Nope! aka-chmeee Jan 2018 #53
No Just No montanacowboy Jan 2018 #54
I'm ready rocktivity Jan 2018 #55
Sure, let's elect another political neophyte to the presidency. The_jackalope Jan 2018 #56
ok so rtracey Jan 2018 #60
I've had my personal fill of "legacy" candidates and celebrities. GatoGordo Jan 2018 #62
California went from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Jerry Brown yurbud Jan 2018 #71
Warren, Waters, Baldwin, Klobuchar, Stabenow, Lee, Hirono, Kaptur, Slaughter, Frankel, etc, etc, nt Mc Mike Jan 2018 #72
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
10. I am with you
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jan 2018

Nothing against Oprah, but I don't think that is a good idea.

Maybe if she runs for senate or some position in government first, then lets see how she does and we can then give her our support if she proves herself.

I would like Al Franken to move into having the investigation on his accusers done, then run for president.

LisaM

(27,850 posts)
3. Oh, and by the way, her speech?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jan 2018

I'm sorry. There was nothing actually wrong with it, but I certainly did not find it "extraordinary". Come on.

LisaM

(27,850 posts)
26. I watched the Golden Globes from tip to tail....
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:39 PM
Jan 2018

Her speech was one of the least moving moments of the show. Sure, I had a relative who claimed she cried over it, but this is the same relative who gets excited over the Hallmark keepsake ornament every year and sends out excited hints about it ahead of time. She's also in her 50s and has a Harry Potter tree; more power to her, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to take her as a benchmark for great speeches.

It was just Oprah being Oprah, which means she pushed the buttons of a lot of gullible people. I was far more moved by the moment of unscripted solidarity between Sharon Stone and Mariah Carey ahead of time - two people who get a lot more flak than Oprah ever does for just being themselves.

I'm not trying to knock Oprah here, but there was absolutely nothing special about her speech.

LisaM

(27,850 posts)
37. HOW? HOW? How does anyone think that?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:53 PM
Jan 2018

I'm completely kerflummoxed. This is a woman who had a meltdown when Hermes wouldn't stay open late for her. This is a woman who inflicted Dr. Phil on the world. This is a woman who once almost took down the beef industry and then changed her mind about the information she got.

I think she's an okay person (and I actually enjoy her acting) but there was nothing original in that entire speech and absolutely nothing that stood out.

I just don't get the adulation.

pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
38. It sounds like you dislike her, and so the speech fell on deaf ears. You had already
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:54 PM
Jan 2018

made up your mind about her, and one speech wasn't going to change that.

LisaM

(27,850 posts)
40. I'm just meh about her. I like her sometimes, and not others.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jan 2018

I certainly don't think she's qualified to run for office. Remember her academy, and the problems it faced out of the gate? She may have meant well, but she's no more qualified to run a school system than she is to run for office. She should stick to what she's good at, but that's not the new normal in our world.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/troubles-oprah-winfreys-school-south-africa/story?id=12950275

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
45. Not the mention her love of Mark Fuhrman
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jan 2018

and cosntant attempts to rehab his image and give him a new career as an "expert" author.

Tikki

(14,563 posts)
68. And Schwarzenegger, has she ever answered why she endorsed Schwarzenegger.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 06:25 PM
Jan 2018

She appears to like to keep the camera close.



Tikki

Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
48. Agree 100%.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:07 PM
Jan 2018

I don't understand why people actively value inexperience when it comes to politics. In every single profession out there, other than politics, you want the most experienced person out there. If you're sick, you want the most experienced doctor out there. If you want to build a house, you want an architect who's built other houses. But in politics, being a novice is an asset, even if the job entails running the largest government in the history of the planet.

I don't get it. We hired a novice on 2016, and it's not going well.

getagrip_already

(14,970 posts)
4. Let's check the boxes for a trump meltdown....
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:21 PM
Jan 2018

Black...
A POWERFUL Woman...
More popular than Trump....
More Magazine Covers than Trump.....
Better Ratings than Trump....
RICHER than Trump....
Actually reads real books.....
Liked....

That ought to lead to an epic twitter rant. But I wonder what her nickname will be?


 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
12. Trump should not even contemplate 2020
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jan 2018

he should be worried about 2018, and I don't mean November.

getagrip_already

(14,970 posts)
16. he is all about the campaign.....
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jan 2018

He can't help himself. It's fun for him. Large crowds, lots of tv coverage, lots of print stories. He never left campaign mode. He is still in it, hence the campaign events he has held so many times since taking office.

He will campaign even if he is impeached. About the only way to stop him is a jail cell, but there is about a zero percent chance of that.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
46. "It will make their heads explode" is not a basis for support
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jan 2018

That sounds like the idiotic justification the GOP has for their batshit nominees.

getagrip_already

(14,970 posts)
50. never said I would support her...
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:10 PM
Jan 2018

don't know much about her. There are other candidates I'd put ahead of her though.

Just pointing out how this would impact the orangeatang.

More_Cowbell

(2,192 posts)
5. I did think it was a good speech
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:21 PM
Jan 2018

and I'm not a huge Oprah fan; haven't seen any of her shows or anything for decades.

I feel like Oprah values her privacy too much to run for office.

groundloop

(11,535 posts)
6. Oprah would be infinitely better than 45* (but then again, who wouldn't?)
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:22 PM
Jan 2018

NO Oprah, please just stick to endorsing whomever the nominee is.

getagrip_already

(14,970 posts)
11. lots of names on the don't run list please....
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jan 2018

basically any of the candidates who ran in the primaries last round. We have plenty of other great choices. Lets use one.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. Please, not that idiot.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jan 2018

She'd put Jenny McCarthy as HHS secy, Dr. Oz as Surgeon General, and John of God as presidential physician. And we'd all be seeing a lot more of Dr. Phil, presidential marriage counselor, and Deepak Chopra, no doubt science advisor.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
14. You cast judgement on what you know nothing about!
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jan 2018

Oprah speech last night sent you on tirade more than Fire and Fury did the President, I wonder why that is?

longship

(40,416 posts)
35. Use the Google, my friend.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:51 PM
Jan 2018

The one that will chill you to the bone is Oprah's support of John of God, Brazilian megachurch scammer and fucking psychic surgeon!!! He claims he can cure cancer!!!

And of course, there's always anti-vaccination Jenny McCarthy, and pro-AltMed-everything Dr. Oz, and Dr. Phil, who once told Oprah that he was the worst marriage counselor on the planet. What does Oprah promote him as? That's right, a fucking marriage counselor. Don't get me started about Deepak Chopra.

Oprah is a menace!

longship

(40,416 posts)
47. What is promoting them as a presidential candidate?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:07 PM
Jan 2018

That is my strong opposition. Yet we see it all over DU today.

I don't give a damn about her entertainment shows, or where she appears. However, knowing about her positions on some rather important topics relating to science and medicine, I have nothing but revulsion to those positions. It seems that not many are even aware of it. Yet they seemingly want her to run for president.

I intend to disabuse them of the opinion that Oprah Winfrey is somehow all puppies and goodness. She supports, and has supported some pretty hideous people and positions. As I have said here, that excludes her as a candidate for anything. Some people see only the puppies in spite of the facts.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
61. Well, yes, it actually is. She actively promoted
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jan 2018

their crap and helped produce spinoff programming as well.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
64. Your type of politics is damaging to everyone.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

If you're all knowing, then I expect to see you running for POTUS. If not, why don't you just listen, for once. It's a healthier strategy vs damaging everyone that you personally disapprove of who is even considering a run. That is, unless you prefer to see Republicans in office?

longship

(40,416 posts)
69. Don't believe me. Just look it up for yourself.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 06:38 PM
Jan 2018

You should know how to use Google.

Dr. Oz's testimony before Congress on his quackery was well documented as was Oprah's previous promotion of him which enabled him to get his TV gig.

Dr. Phil likewise is clearly an Oprah creation, although the only thing he can be accused of is practicing marriage counseling after telling Oprah he was terrible at it.

Now Jenny McCarthy's appearances on Oprah speak for themselves and are well documented. Look for yourself and consider a world where people listened to McCarthy on Oprah and didn't get their kids vaccinated. I remember polio and measles!

And just Google "Oprah John of God" and be in awe at her blinkered idiocy in the face of an outright scam artist. Then Google just "John of God" to get the dirt on this gem of a human. (I am being sarcastic, there.)

Other suggested searches "Oprah The Secret". Yup, made up quantum woo-woo, too.

My intended damage is only aimed at its target, one horrible Oprah Winfrey, who if people listened to her would be unvaccinated and going to kooks like faith healers and Deepak Chopra for their cancers. Cancer surgery by psychic surgery? Really? Oprah supports it.

longship

(40,416 posts)
27. Because too many naive people think Oprah is somehow presidential material.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:41 PM
Jan 2018

I wish to disabuse them of that opinion by exposing her long history of abject kookery. That is something of which too many here are apparently unaware.

I know much about Oprah's overt support of kooks and quacks. In this case, that is all that's necessary.

And yes, if she makes any move towards running for office, my tirades will continue. We don't want her anywhere near government.

brush

(53,978 posts)
51. You actually called Oprah an idiot. Have you not been paying attention for 30 some years?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jan 2018

She built a top rated show that lasted for 25 years.

She built a production studio.

She built a TV network, not to mention a fortune — all while encountering sexism and overcoming it.

She is decidedly not an idiot.

On the other hand, anyone who calls her that...

longship

(40,416 posts)
57. Show building? Fucking Show Building?????
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jan 2018

Do you mean like Donald Drumpf?

She is notably incurious (my most generous adjective). She supports abject quack medicine, which is the big deal killer for me. Anti-vaccination, the best life saving medical invention ever. Alternative medicine -- there is only one medicine, based on science. She even supports a psychic surgeon scammer from Brazil who claims he can cure cancer!!!

But because she's on the televisionary set, she gets a pass? Sheesh! One is tempted to say: And people wonder how we got Drumpf in the White House.

Ask yourself those questions when Oprah's in the White House and Dr. Oz is the Surgeon General. Or horrors, psychic surgeon John of God! Maybe Jenny McCarthy can become head of the CDC.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
63. I've got a cousin who was once arrested.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jan 2018

I guess I better not run for the local school board, by your logic.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
65. Bad analogy
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 06:02 PM
Jan 2018

She promotes people and their products such as OZ and gave Phil his start. If she doesn't know what scam artists they are I do not want her to be President. I bet you don't condone what your cousin did, but was supportive.

longship

(40,416 posts)
66. She supports a psychic surgeon who bilks poor people!!!
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jan 2018

She supports "The Secret" which is nothing more than demonstrable quantum woo-woo rubbish. Not surprisingly, Oprah also likes Deepak Chopra, the king of quantum woo-woo.

She promoted Dr. Oz, got him a TV program where his promotion of quack cures became so alarming that he was dragged before Congress to answer for it.

She never rescinded her support for anti-vaccination idiot Jenny McCarthy. Vaccines, which save lives. Oprah is against them, apparently.

And of course, then there's John of God, the cream of the crop of Oprah woo-woo. Go ahead and Google him. He does faith healing and psychic surgery. He claims he cures cancer. He has a megachurch in Brazil. He's very wealthy. Oh! And by the way, he's a fraud because psychic surgery and faith healing is always a fraud. But Oprah's a big fan girl.

Oprah has a long and storied record. And it's all well documented.

Some will not forget the horrible evil she has done in her name on her way to fame and fortune.

longship

(40,416 posts)
70. Him, I find mostly harmless.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jan 2018

It's Oz, Jenny McCarthy, and John of God that are dangerous. And by association, Oprah, of course, since she supports all of them.

Thanks for the response.

PatrickforO

(14,604 posts)
13. Hmm. Seems like CNN click bait to me.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:26 PM
Jan 2018

As fine a human being as Oprah is, we need someone with some executive experience IN GOVERNMENT to recover from the Trump shit-show.

UpInArms

(51,292 posts)
15. I have watched as Oprah worked her way upward
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jan 2018

And am impressed with the person she has become.

Our world is so upside down now, all I can say is ... you go, Oprah!

She is empathic to society and knows so much more than her detractors can understand.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
19. She knows so much more than her detractors can understand?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jan 2018

What would that be and how do you know?

delisen

(6,047 posts)
18. Used to think that Democratic voters were smarter than Republican voters
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jan 2018

but I am beginning to wonder.

The Halo Effect fallacy-people who are successful in one industry are automatically expected to be successful in another industry.

The Blank Slate irrationality-find someone with little to no experience in politics to become the top political leader because anyone with experience will have made some enemies or have some "baggage."





 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
22. Oh Jesus fucking Christ...She isn't running, just promoting her name/brand some more
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jan 2018

people are so gullible

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
23. No, thank you.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jan 2018

I’d prefer someone with political experience. If she’s interested in gaining political experience why not run for a lower office first.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
29. I think theyre just trolling Trump with this statement.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jan 2018

Let’s be honest, running for POTUS, let alone being POTUS is a shitty job. I seriously doubt Oprah has any real interest in attempting to take it on.

However, you have to admit it’s fun to think of Trump freaking out about the thought of being beaten by Oprah. Imagine all the insecurities that are racing through his little misogynistic, racist head right now?

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
33. In that case.. Please, O, keep it going for a little while.. Then hand it off to a qualified Dem not
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:48 PM
Jan 2018

named Kamala Harris or Kristen Gillibrand.

Those two lost my support in their immature rush to pronounce Al Franken as unfit.

madaboutharry

(40,246 posts)
32. This is madness.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jan 2018

Oprah has demonstrated that she is a formidable woman in many ways. "BUT, COME ON" as Mr. Obama likes to say. Oprah is not qualified to be the President of The United States. The end.

Lebam in LA

(1,345 posts)
34. Not just no, HELL NO
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:49 PM
Jan 2018

Celebrity worship is killing this country. Started with reality tv, now the populace seems to think government if entertainment.

Paladin

(28,286 posts)
39. Oprah wants to suck all the air out of the Democrats in 2020?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:55 PM
Jan 2018

Swell, just swell. Waiting for evidence of the groundswell of public opinion, demanding that Democrats be just as stupid as the Republicans were in 2016.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
41. Is Bob Barker not available?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jan 2018

What this country needs for President is a TV personality !

What could possibly go wrong?

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
44. Geez - Do we really need this distraction again?
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jan 2018

Oprah isn't running. This is a dumb fantasy.

This reminds me of 2016, when people could not let go of the "OMG! Elizabeth Warren is going to announce any day now!" dream, despite her repeatedly saying she wasn't running.
As a result, all the oxygen in the room was sucked up, no one would consider anyone else, and we were left with the lousy primary choice we had between a damaged Clinton and a weird, not-ready-for-primetime Bernie as the alternative.
Had people not sat around waiting for Warren to change her mind, we could have been encouraging someone like Brown or Franken to enter the field, or maybe even convinced Biden to get in after all. Instead, people were still talking up already-declined Warren well into late fall of 2015.

There are plenty of good people who can run, and obsessing on Oprah riding in a white horse and saving the day is wasting energy that could be better devoted to getting behind someone who might actually enter the race.

rocktivity

(44,587 posts)
52. Ah, the leaking game
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:40 PM
Jan 2018

Always keep in mind that "requesting anonymity in order to speak freely" also gives freedom to speak untruthfully. And what's to stop a leaker from ORDERING a source to leak information anonymously?


rocktivity

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
53. Nope!
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

In proving than ANYONE can be elected president, we've also proved that it doesn't mean that ANYONE can Be president.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
60. ok so
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:23 PM
Jan 2018

Ok so I am going on the record and saying right now, I will NOT support any actor/ sports figure / business millionaire for president, vice president or government position. PERIOD...

Oprah Winfrey has ZERO credibility to run for president.

 

GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
62. I've had my personal fill of "legacy" candidates and celebrities.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jan 2018

How about a politician who is knowledgeable, a serious person, and an accomplished statesman?

Could we give that a try?

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
71. California went from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Jerry Brown
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jan 2018

I don't like Jerry on everything, but at least he knows how things work.

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