She has given people permission to take up arms against the federal government, because there will be no consequences. Well provided you are a white man.

She has given people permission to take up arms against the federal government, because there will be no consequences. Well provided you are a white man.

A black man could be shot dead just for appearing like he has a gun, but white men can brandish military style weapons about and get a slap on the hand and are featured on cable news.

Are they deliberately throwing the cases?

to just run willy nilly over FEDERAL LAND, when ever you want to and bilk the public............................

These traitors and that's what they are are traitors.....................


What part of due process am I missing here...........................

Law enforcement saying mean things about suspects is hardly new. Or evidence worthy.

maps and FBI interview reports with defense attorneys."

Either hated them and crossed the line trying for a conviction, or intentionally screwed up to toss the case.

Completely awful outcome but the judge was put into a corner by the asshat prosecutor. Due process must be upheld

That was part of the problem. The defense was throwing so much at the wall that once they hit that point, the evidence became relevant in the judge's mind.

And believe me, they were throwing every amount of militia, sovcit, fringe-Mormon cult stuff you can imagine. This is no longer your basic Sagebrush Rebellion.

What you're saying is true, but it ONLY applies to white males.

Not to anyone else.

Even though I don't know who Agent Mikey is. Jesus Christ, seems they had less trouble convicted TED Bundy than Cliven!

etc.,

Damn, I always knew there was something sinister about those Life cereal commercials!

of "government overreach" !

Remember that rumor?

is that law enforcement said mean things.

If a black guy got away with a crime because police said mean things, all of Bundy's supporters would be screaming about political correctness.

Judges typically aren't a happy when the prosecutor withholds evidence because its beneficial to the defendants.

what they were accused of? They're on camera, they've admitted it, they wrote missives from the property saying they did it ... it couldn't BE more cut and dry.

Ergo, I don't see any conceivable way that this case was not purposefully 'thrown' by the prosecutors because there's ZERO chance that there was evidence that could've actually exonerated them.

There's no way that 'mean stuff that the cops said' (assuming that is what was not handed over) should have enough legal weight to outweigh the HUGE preponderance of evidence in the prosecutions favor.

This isn't like Mark Furman maybe furtively planting a glove cause he's a racist prick, ya know?

Assuming that the 'cops internal talk about the subjects' really IS the type of evidence in question, this ruling also opens the door to any defendant from now on to demanding 'the evidence' of basically every word every cop & prosecutor involved in their case in any way 'said about them', and getting mistrials if that info isn't handed over to their attorneys.

But of course it'd be selectively 'honored' ... i.e. mistrials granted ... for white and/or rich people.

They would have been shot and there would have been no trial, just mho.

Peace

It looks like a legit case of malpractice/misconduct on the prosecution, someone should get fired over this.

It looks like the problems were systemic.

The Bundys are asshats and guilty, but the BLM is just so bad and mismanages things so badly, they don't get any support.

If the prosecutor is sympathetic to a guilty party, they can destroy the case by FUBARing it. The same thing happened in Oregon and Bundy's got off scott free there too. Maybe someone is paying out some big bribes?

although the incompetence is hard to believe, I agree.

but don't stir up the rattlesnake den.

Something like that.

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Ever the victims, always persecuted, etc.

Chief Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Nevada
Incumbent
Assumed office
January 1, 2014
Preceded by Robert Clive Jones
Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Nevada
Incumbent
Assumed office
May 6, 2010
Appointed by Barack Obama

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Navarro

I'm leaning towards it must have been a legit case of malpractice.

if these people were black, they would have been shot on sight. JMO.

And, the ones doing the killing would have been exonerated.

Screw the law, screw the land, screw the people.

Prosecutors violated a defendants rights. We can hate the defendants but a fair trial should apply to everyone right?
This is a great example of Obama's ability to appoint great Judges..no?

True.

She dismissed the case WITH PREJUDICE, finding that there was flagrant misconduct by prosecution and the FBI.

She had solid ground on with to make her ruling, but it STILL sucks that these racist ass all hell, law-breaking, right-wingers are FREE because we all KNOW that beauguard is not going to appeal this judges decision because he's ONE OF THEM .....

In the meantime, we're cutting Meals on Wheels, CHIP, etc., from people who could use the help.

I was surprised they were even able to seat a jury. You pat my back/I'll pat yours kinda situation.

Laws were definitely and flagrantly broken. Why the tiptoeing around the perps? They belong behind bars!

the Coup is almost complete!

If the prosecution did indeed trample on their rights and not turn over discovery items to his lawyers I support the judge throwing the case out. That is the only way we have to keep zealous prosecutors who are only interested in conviction rates from railroading innocent citizens.
That being said, yes it is obvious from what we saw on TV that these people were guilty and deserve to be punished. But the rule of law and the principle of "innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers" are more important than any single case.

While I hate the result it is even more infuriating that this result happened because of blatant, repetitive prosecutorial misconduct.

The saddest thing about this result is that this is going to embolden this particular wing of the right wing zealotry. These folks aren’t crazy enough as it is without help like this. One has to wonder if there was some sort of desire to have the case fail on the part of prosecution.

Why so incompetent?

that Bundy and his disciples will do this shit every time there's a Dem. Admin now.

Next time, said admin needs to order the trigger pulled. If the Bundys hide behind their children again, oh well.

A BLM, Woman's march, Cub Scouts.. blocking roads or property...

Do you remember the blow back from Waco?

bombing a Fed building. It should have resulted in a total clampdown on Y'allQaeda. Instead, we put on the kid gloves and allowed the cancer to fester.

It's only going to get worse.

You don't see why that's wrong?

But prosecutors have to be better, even with the volumes of evidence involved.

The sovereign citizen movement says they are their own countries.

So if they're pointing guns at our citizens (even if they do work for the Feds) and invading American soil, they're committing an act of war.

That's your plan?

IOW, they are citizens of their own countries, not of the U.S.

Applying their rules, I regard any sort of occupation of Federal land as a foreign invasion.

I expect my government to deal with foreign invasion harshly.

opportunities to do so. The "movement" has grown in recent years.

Give them what they want. And everything that goes with it.

If Bubba wants to declare himself a citizen of Bubbaland rather than the US because some Federal agency hurt his fee fee's, fine. Bubba cannot vote in American elections anymore. Nor can he or anyone in his house receive any sort of government aid. This includes Medicare and Social Security.

If he decides to get into a shooting war with the cops or the Feds, or take over American soil, he's not just a standard crook. He's committed an act of war. That doesn't go well. Just ask Hiroshima.

Assuming we don't put him in the ground, Bubba ain't going to a jury of his peers. That's for American citizens, not enemy combatants. Bubba goes to military tribunal.

Should Bubba decide that being a Sovereign Citizen isn't for him and that he'd prefer the benefits of being an American Citizen again, he can get an immigration lawyer and apply for citizenship.

Seeing that it's all or nothing will kill the movement. Right now, they're attracting people because they're allowed to do it buffet style.

"total clampdown on Y'allQaeda."...do you decide who? Who makes that call on who to clamp down on...or pull the trigger on..? Can Dumpster make that call on you?
I'll bet you wouldn't like it if you were the target of a trigger pull.

You know why Oregon State Police had to make that call, I assume--since you mentioned it.

"The Feds" are evil. Now, it is true that since this "movement" (cult) has grown, various conspiracy theories have been attached, like Uranium One, Hillary! (of course), evil Harry Reid, and Chinese solar farms--but ultimately it is the Evil Feds.

Here is a recent example of what I mean from a lame YouTube interview with Ammon Bundy:

Just read what really happened.

the Feds DID NOT want to win this case. I cannot blame the judge.

to the judge's declaring a mistrial, along with a link to the brief written by the prosecution. The judge didn't buy it.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2017/12/nevada_prosecutors_seek_new_tr.html

trashing Gold Butte National Monument. I think the BLM needs to give this another go.

the bundys will be on the hook for payments to the judge
from their speaking engagements with groups of white
domestic terriorists. Like themselves...