saw a number of highway signs up there proclaiming that there should be another state of "Jefferson"

I don't think it is going anywhere.

What they hope is to retain the Senate and influence the Electoral College by creating another low population red state similar to Idaho or Wyoming.

realistically, CA should be 2 or 3 states, but giving one to Sagebrush Revolutionaries ain't happening.

Putin's "divide and conquer" policy at work.

Is that Russia, like the USSR, takes advantage of pre-existing divisions and dissatisfactions.

It was pointed out that this kind of thing in California has been going on for decades. It's been a grievance for decades. When the USSR was busy elsewhere, when Russia was too weak to bother, and before Putin started agitprop over such things.

The ultimate solution to this kind of tactic is, sadly, to resolve the issues. Otherwise, they are made worse, pretty much by both sides, in predictable ways. In some respects, the process is just hastened and attitudes firmed up.

So, should we be surprised if the suddenly announce that they are relocating to Russia?

http://www.businessinsider.com/yes-california-independence-campaign-launch-calexit-movement-again-2017-8

A fringe political group that led the call for California to break away from the union after the election of President Donald Trump has relaunched with new leadership.

The Yes California Independence Campaign went dark in April after its self-appointed leader, Louis Marinelli, announced he was abandoning the movement and settling permanently in Russia. The news was not that surprising. Marinelli set up a makeshift embassy (which he said would be used to promote the secessionist movement) in Moscow last December.

Earlier this week, the former vice president of the campaign, Marcus Ruiz Evans, announced in an email that he's picking up where Marinelli left off as president of Yes California. Among his first actions, Evans shuttered the group's unofficial embassy and cultural center in Moscow.

"Although well intentioned, it was a distraction, a point of contention, and a source of division among supporters of California independence. It needed to close and now it is closed," Evans said of the embassy in a statement.

I would never want California to leave the Union...Do you know how many electoral votes we would lose.
I agree, Calexit was set up by the Russians.

Whatever. It gives them something to talk about besides themselves and their friends. And if it's still Russia promoted, that'll come out soon enough.

What jackasses. I bet Putin thinks they're cool, though.

What do they consider a success? West Virginia?

Kansas.

Good luck without the L.A. and San Francisco tax revenues..

red state thinking.

with our heavily Democratic State Gov. But thanks for your concerns.....assholes....

If it ever happens, it will be be red, polluted, natural resources pillaged, and very poor.

Plumas County half the year for us. We leave tomorrow to try and purchase a replacement home for the one we lost in Hurricane Irma. We live on a sailboat island hopping to nations I am sure 45 would call shitholes as we avoid the ritzy spots.

We have life good in California under Jerry Brown. Things sucked under Arnold and Pete Wilson.

Our state is just fine the way it is.

while leaving the blue sections with their existing 2 Democratic senators. Same shit different day.

Senate seats. An island of blue in the middle of all that Texas Red.

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Since when?

1 Dr. Samuel B. Pryor 1856 1857 1 None
2 John McClannahan Crockett 1857 1858 1 Democratic
3 Isaac Naylor 1858 1858 1 None
4 A. D. Rice 1858 1859 1 None
5 John M. Crockett (Second term) 1859 1861 1 Democratic
6 J. L. Smith 1861 1861 1 None
7 Thos. E. Sherwood 1861 1862 1 None
- Military governor (American Civil War). 1862 1865 None None
8 John M. Crockett (Third term) 1865 1866 1 Democratic
9 John W. Lane 1866 1866 1 Democratic
10 George W. Guess 1866 1868 1 None
11 Benjamin Long 1868 1870 1 None
12 Henry Ervay 1870 1872 1 None
13 Benjamin Long (Second term) 1872 1874 1 None
14 William Lewis Cabell 1874 1876 1 None
15 John D. Kerfoot 1876 1877 ½ None
16 William Lewis Cabell (Second term) 1877 1879 1 None
17 J. M. Thurmond 1879 1880 1 None
18 J. J. Good 1880 1881 ½ Democratic
19 J. W. Crowdus 1881 1883 1 None
20 William Lewis Cabell (Third term) 1883 1885 1 None
21 John Henry Brown 1885 1887 1 None
22 Winship C. Connor 1887 1894 3 None
23 Bryan T. Barry 1894 1895 ½ None
24 F. P. Holland 1895 1897 1 None
25 Bryan T. Barry (Second term) 1897 1898 1 None
26 John H. Traylor 1898 1900 2 None
27 Ben E. Cabell 1900 1904 4 None
28 Bryan T. Barry (Third term) 1904 1906 2 None
29 Curtis P. Smith 1906 1907 1 Democratic
30 Stephen J. Hay 1907 1911 2 Democratic
31 W. M. Holland 1911 1915 2 None
32 Henry D. Lindsley 1915 1917 1 Democratic
33 Joe E. Lawther 1917 1919 1 Democratic
34 Frank W. Wozencraft 1919 1921 1 Democratic
35 Sawnie R. Aldredge 1921 1923 1 Democratic
36 Louis Blaylock 1923 1927 2 None
37 R. E. Burt 1927 1929 1 None
38 J. Waddy Tate 1929 1931 1 None
39 Tom Bradford 1931 1932 ½ None
40 Charles E. Turner 1932 1935 1½ Democratic
41 George Sergeant 1935 1937 1 Democratic
42 George Sprague 1937 1939 1 Democratic
43 Woodall Rodgers 1939 1947 4 None
44 J. R. Temple 1947 1949 1 Democratic
45 Wallace H. Savage 1949 1951 1 Democratic
46 Jean Baptiste Adoue 1951 1953 1 None
47 Robert L. Thornton 1953 1961 4 None
48 Earle Cabell 1961 1964 1½ Democratic
49 J. Erik Jonsson 1964 1971 3½ None
50 Wes Wise 1971 1976 2½ None
Acting (51) Adlene Harrison 1976 1976 less than 1 Democratic
51 (52) Robert Folsom 1976 1981 2½ None
52 (53) Jack Wilson Evans 1981 1983 1 Republican
53 (54) Starke Taylor 1983 1987 2 Republican
54 (55) Annette Strauss 1987 1991 2 None
55 (56) Steve Bartlett 1991 1995 2 Republican
56 (57) Ron Kirk 1995 2002 3½ Democratic
57 (58) Laura Miller 2002 2007 2½ Democratic
58 (59) Tom Leppert 2007 2011 2 Republican
Acting (60) Dwaine Caraway 2011 2011 less than 1 Democratic
59 (61) Mike Rawlings 2011 incumbent 3+ Democratic

that "Democratic" years and years ago doesa NOT mean the same thing as "Democratic" today?

but up is down and white is purple right LOL

and have been there numerous times. And the times I was there is was as RED as can be.
RW evangelist churches every two or three feet.

Having a DEM mayor means nothing about the area.

So take your LOL and stick it somewhere useful.

Georgia, or Arkansas, or Kentucky, or South Carolina



What major city do you live near?

Oh, and you don't stick LOLs, your RUB LOLs...LOLs need softness

I was shocked, because I made the same assumption as you before I actually went there.

So...no wrong.

You were referring to Dallas as red in the present tense. There is no other way to read this:

Don't know enough to comment about California. In some states suburbs and wealthy ones in particular get a disproportionate cut of money for schools, roads, services. Cities, with a low tax base, not so much. Rural areas, not enough people to worry about. I see their point. But good luck with that.

They wasted all two of their brain cells to write a manifesto.

communities just as the poor and stupid southern states do, assholes..

I know, I've lived in many place in Calif and still do.

These idiots are bad at math it would seem.

has been going around for years. Utter nonsense.

California should split -- into about 5 or 6 states

So should Texas, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and some others

Puerto Rico (and they should incorporate the USVI into the deal) should enter as a state.

Then....

Once all that has come to pass, the Congress should change the statehood requirements to require a minimum of 1.5 M people to qualify for statehood. Those states under that number should be forced to merge with other states. As it stands now, states like Wyoming (DC has more people), NoDak, SoDak, Nebraska, Kansas, and Montana, (and - sorry Sanders fans - Vermont) are WAY WAY over represented. We all took civics and understand the big state/small state thing, but when California and Wyoming =have the same number of Senators, and California has like 56 x the population, it's a little ridiculous.

DC, being north of the Potomac, should remain separate (the Constitution mandates this) but its people should vote in Maryland house and senate elections.

As long as they divide fairly

330 million in the US
California has 30 million.

300 Million remaining, divided by 49 states, means about 6 million average per state.

30 million Divided by 6 million is 5.

5 states, each drawn out in such a way as to each have approximately equal population.

Sure, we lose Big Blue California, but we get 4, maybe 5 blue states out of it. And Californians get much closer to fair representation on the national level.

States are the first and most entrenched layer of gerrymandering.

Separate California into three states.

One is San Angeles - from the LA Metro Area to the Mexican border.

The second is the Bay Area.

The third is all the red areas in California.

I think that's fair...they get two more Senate seats, and so do we.

The electoral college is based on population. And there's fewer people who would live out in "New California" than in the coastal areas. All this would do is divide and fuck up the house and the senate.

Humboldt & Mendocino counties! is wrong w/these fools anyway?

California = one state, one people, one place!

ca should be divided into 3 states.
we can call them- log, fog and smog.

They should go to Nebraska, low tax nirvana, and see the imploded economy there...not that these types are ever swayed by actual facts.

CA is only "ungovernable" because they don't like how it is governed