Pentagon Suggests Countering Devastating Cyberattacks With Nuclear Arms
Source: New York Times
WASHINGTON A newly drafted United States nuclear strategy that has been sent to President Trump for approval would permit the use of nuclear weapons to respond to a wide range of devastating but non-nuclear attacks on American infrastructure, including what current and former government officials described as the most crippling kind of cyberattacks.
For decades, American presidents have threatened first use of nuclear weapons against enemies in only very narrow and limited circumstances, such as in response to the use of biological weapons against the United States. But the new document is the first to expand that to include attempts to destroy wide-reaching infrastructure, like a countrys power grid or communications, that would be most vulnerable to cyberweapons.
The draft document, called the Nuclear Posture Review, was written at the Pentagon and is being reviewed by the White House. Its final release is expected in the coming weeks and represents a new look at the United States nuclear strategy. The draft was first published last week by HuffPost.
It called the strategic picture facing the United States quite bleak, citing not only Russian and Chinese nuclear advances but advances made by North Korea and, potentially, Iran.
Read more: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/us/politics/pentagon-nuclear-review-cyberattack-trump.html
underpants
(183,014 posts)Good grief.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)Just imagine if the hacker is skilled enough to make it appear the intrusion came from one of their own enemies?
underpants
(183,014 posts)herding cats
(19,569 posts)Yep, per their own leader thats correct. 😂
BumRushDaShow
(129,978 posts)herding cats
(19,569 posts)😂
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)I'm pretty sure we're not talking about a lone "skilled hacker," or even if we are, a sustained and lethal attack on our infrastructure.
Imagine the entire grid going down. For weeks.
Imagine our nuclear facilities sent offline. All of them. At once.
Imagine JUST the internet down, almost permanently.
Imagine -- far less damaging, frankly -- false Hawaii-style alerts everywhere, all at once.
Imagine our water systems taken down -- all of them.
We've already caught Russia noodling around some of these things.
Their unprecedented penetration could spell chaos.
By Zeeshan Aleem@ZeeshanAleemzeeshan.aleem@vox.com Sep 6, 2017, 1:50pm EDT
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/6/16262198/hackers-us-power-grid-russia
This is the first time weve seen this scale, this aggressiveness, and this level of penetration in the US, for sure, Eric Chien, technical director of Symantecs Security Technology & Response Division, told BuzzFeed News.
The threat is quite real, IMO.
herding cats
(19,569 posts)Its simply their proposed solution isnt a viable solution. There are methods that may be viable, but nuking other countries isnt one of them.
Also, what if they choose to belive a spoofed location to create a situation (which under this administration wouldnt shock me.)?
This isnt the solution to the problem. Working first to secure or infrastructure and using a tech based approach to this problem is the way to go.
Nuking China, Russia, Iran or South Korea would be suicide.
EarthFirst
(2,906 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,037 posts)What will become of all the tubes?
Matthew28
(1,798 posts)PatSeg
(47,750 posts)Don't let Trump anywhere near that strategy. He'll no doubt love it.
truthisfreedom
(23,169 posts)How err... responsible!
haele
(12,692 posts)First, it was to supposedly protect Christianity and the Constitution from the threat of Muslim Jihad and the slippery slope of the 1st Amendment that could allow the Muslims and Liberals to take over and steal guns, bibles, Christian Manhood, and also impose Sharia Law. The Cheney administration encouraged these fools as willing weapons for the Oil-oligarchy's plan to expand U.S. corporate interests. Christianity was nothing but a tool for Cheney and his Cabal. Especially the Oafkeepers with their the "React-Kill" mentality.
The Oafkeepers really ramped it up when Obama became President to "save the military from the heathen ruining our country", actively recruiting aimless young white males as a bulwark against diplomacy and the perceived "liberalism" known as sane logic. The lessons of the 1960's and the 1980's have been lost on leadership; time to relearn it.
Haele
moriah
(8,311 posts)I mean, I could see the point of feeling if the only way to stop something like that was to shut down the computers.
Which an airburst to create an EMP certainly would do.
But it's not necessary to use nukes to create that effect.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)TygrBright
(20,779 posts)paleotn
(18,012 posts)Of course they're not fully taking into account the fact that finding out exactly WHO did the hacking can take days, weeks or even months. And even then, many times we're no where near 100% sure who's responsible. So why not just go off half cocked and run the risk of nuking the wrong people. Kill thousands and thousands of innocents. Smart. Real smart. Anyone who could accomplish something of this nature already knows all this, so it's obvious to them that we're full of shit. Such stupid, empty threats may make it more probable that a hack of this nature IS carried out.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)If you want a clear picture of the madness surrounding the use of these weapons - this book gives a great history of our "thinking" and reliance on first-strike intimidation tactics.
More proof we're all just monkeys on a mud ball and we'd better learn how to get along with each other or else.
GeorgeGist
(25,326 posts)fuck these fucks before they kill us all.
Oneironaut
(5,541 posts)Using cyber attacks to crash the stock market?
Melting down a nuclear power plant (or several)?
Completely destroying a nation's infrastructure electronically, killing millions and crippling its economy?
While a nuclear attack does seem a bit much, putting a threat out like this does make some sense. A nation might believe, "I can attempt to wreak havoc on the US's infrastructure without any consequences, because it's not technically an attack!" Cyber warfare could potentially do as much damage as a nuclear bomb if properly executed, so it makes sense to treat it as another act of warfare.