Cue the Buses. And they wonder why people are Pissed Off.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!!

They're having problems hiring new agents, and keeping the ones they have because of pay for being so isolated with their families , some in the middle of nowhere. The money should go for that, building up area's for these officer's and their families, and increase their pay. Not a wall that'll just be taken down after they're ousted from office.

Did not keep the Germans out.

The Germans went around the wall.

Isn't that what Shitholio promised?

I LOVE that.

So long as Trump comes up with the money by hisownself. Russia likes walls, for instance. Perhaps they may want to shore up their investment.

They love it so much they should have no problem paying for it.

wants to keep the Filibuster Rule for the Senate. That was 32 minutes ago via Raw Story.

Trump says Mexico will pay for it......Trump pays for the wall and then he can collect the money from Mexico..........put his pockets to the test

The claimed net worth is wildly inflated already. This $20 billion is just for starters. That's 20x what "it has", at least.

to the wall. I'm sure if they put smart people together to come up with such an alternative - they can come up with something better than a $20 billion wall.

Then they have a negotiation tool to use against Trump & the Repugs.

The Dems need to make the case that spending $20B is just a waste of money just so Trump can say he kept his campaign promise. At that - he is only keeping half of his campaign promise because there is no way Mexico will pay for it.

If we still want border security the Dems can make the case that we want border security as well but we can do it less expensively and save the taxpayers money to boot.

This would get the Dems on the offensive for this issue.

It's about time the Dems start thinking out of the box.

Equal or better border security with a savings to the taxpayers. Trump's plan is a waste of money and walls aren't foolproof. I believe there is probably research pointing out the weaknesses of walls. I also believe there are plenty of better alternatives.

Seems so basic, let's go Chuck and Nancy. Best defense is a strong offense.

Democrats advised better sensors, use of drones, roads for patrol access through remote areas, and other more practical methods.

Trump still wants his wall. It was a campaign promise and his price for DACA is being able to deliver on it (less the Mexico paying for it part, I guess).

how he's going to cross the Rio Grande with that wall? Or if all those folks who lose their property to eminate domain because of it will be happy they voted for it? How about one of his precious golf courses that gets cut in half because the wall goes thru it? You will need a passport to play there..how fun!

This wall thing is silly.

I remember the Maginot line. It was well constructed, well designed. Perfect.

But the Germans just went around it.

We can even leave it open to him to design, plan, approve, etc. If he wants every segment emblazoned with his name, 75 foot tall, with invisible segments so that noone on our side gets hit with bags of drugs being thrown over, and he wants companies that he owns to do the construction, fine. Trump wall, 100%, get er dun.

Only one condition. Every penny of funding must come from Mexico, Upfront, with no concessions or tradeoffs by the US government. Trump opens an account, Mexico deposits money, Trump spends that money on a wall.

who worship dump. There is no legitimate reason for a "wall." Border security enhancements at targeted areas, yes. But that's not what this is--the wall is an abstract concept standing for keeping brown people out.

If dems agree to a wall, just delay the start date until after the 2018 election.

wall, watch the videos on YouTube about the Maginot Line. The French constructed an amazing wall, a fortified wall to keep the Germans out. It did not work.

Then there is the Iron Curtain and the Berlin Wall. They didn't work either.

Walls create the illusion of security. They are not worth the money invested in them.

This! And also we can't afford it after this massive effing tax break for the wealthy they just passed. It's amazing how they think that $20B for a wall is so easy to come up with but meals-on-wheels and healthcare for poor children is too expensive. Fuck the wall! It's a stupid idea from a stupid man.

politically was the most important? He as much as admitted it is only a political move!

As I heard on the Sunday shows, Congress will first authorize any wall spending, and then it goes to Appropriations, where they decide exactly how much will be needed and how spent. So even if this thing is included in a deal, it's only a preliminary step, not a done deal.

edit to add link:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-04/donald-trump-pena-nieto-mexico-wall-leaked-call-transcript/8773814