Trump Allied Televangelist Who Says Only Non-Believers Get PTSD Invited To Speak To Military
Source: Newsweek Magazine
BY NINA BURLEIGH ON 1/26/18 AT 6:57 PM
A self described Christian extremist who believes American warriors are immune to post-traumatic stress disorder will be the featured speaker at a prayer breakfast at the nations largest military installation next week. Televangelist Kenneth Copeland, a member of President Donald Trumps Faith Advisory Council, is scheduled to speak at the behemoth Fort Jackson army base in Columbia, S.C. on February 1.
Copeland belongs to a breakaway sect of Christian Prosperity Gospel preachers who preach that Christ helps believers get rich, and that the Christian God and his Messiah disapprove of government programs for the poor.
Copeland was among a group of Christian fundamentalists who gathered at Trump Tower to lay hands on Trump in 2015, praying to know whether the Lord wanted him to run for President. Last year, he issued an online prophecy in which he proclaimed, "Our time has come. For we are the Christian extremists.
But his most controversial remarks may have come in 2013, when he claimed the Bible backed up his notion that PTSD doesn't afflict True Believers. Reading from Numbers 32: 20-22, he said, So this is a promiseif you do this thing, if you arm yourselves before the Lord for the war
you shall return, youre coming back, and be guiltless before the Lord and before the nation. Any of you suffering from PTSD right now, you listen to me, Copeland added. You get rid of that right now. You dont take drugs to get rid of it. It doesnt take psychology. That promise right there will get rid of it.
Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-evangelicals-christians-us-army-military-ptsd-792797
pbmus
(12,422 posts)They_Live
(3,250 posts)for this dickhead to speak.
PatrickforO
(14,608 posts)What do you bet he's never, ever been in harm's way, seen or heard a shot fired in anger?
TomSlick
(11,150 posts)Hasn't the Lord taken him yet? I suppose only the good die young.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)When will we manage to go back to separation of church and state?
They_Live
(3,250 posts)equally represented at breakfast. And they should be...
dhol82
(9,353 posts)asking for blessings from the great spaghetti head.
Ramen.
jmowreader
(50,603 posts)Spaghetti for breakfast doesn't sound all that good to me.
FrodosNewPet
(495 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Military+Evangelical Properity Christianity+Corporate America = the new Fascism.
keithbvadu2
(37,058 posts)Phoenix61
(17,027 posts)Like active duty members who have PTSD aren't worried enough about the stigma of seeking care. I am constantly stuck with so little to say other than, WTF is wrong with these people?!?. I sincerely wish I believed in hell because it would make me feel better knowing he was headed there.
Sam McGee
(347 posts)Biblethumping military commanders . . . the sonsofbitches are everywhere.
jmowreader
(50,603 posts)Every unit from battalion on up has a chaplain. Sometimes they get pretty extreme: when I was in Berlin they sent my battalion a fire-breathing fundamentalist chaplain who said at his first service that all Catholics were going to Hell.
The next morning he was handed a set of orders to Bad Kreuznach...apparently my very-Catholic battalion commander didn't want to be told he was going to Hell.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)on some of the basics.
Farmer-Rick
(10,242 posts)Had one assigned to our department and he would go around telling everyone what the sailors said to him. A sailor would be having a problem, then go to him to discuss it, the next thing you know, he was telling the Department Head or the Master Chief.
Talked to him a few times about it and he claimed otherwise. People just stopped going to him. What a waste of space. Never did understand his purpose if he wasn't going to give confidential counseling.
Matthew28
(1,798 posts)and people that don't value the truth.
It is truly sad.
DURHAM D
(32,619 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)So what about Track Palin? What about Chris Kyle? So, every man, or woman who suffers from PTSD is a non-true believer? So, what about people who claim to be non-believers, but also do not suffer from PTSD?
Wordilocks
(99 posts)His time in the military probably just exacerbated existing issues.
UpInArms
(51,295 posts)yonder
(9,687 posts)and they're friggin' clueless about it.
3catwoman3
(24,138 posts)...to me, that is not art, it's porn.
Initech
(100,151 posts)burrowowl
(17,656 posts)New Testament nor gotten the message love god with all your soul and your neighbor as yourself. Nor Faith and Hope shall all pass away but Charity will remain forever!
He is really filled with hate!
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Copeland attended Oral Roberts Universty in the early days. He was a pilot for Oral.
AllaN01Bear
(18,866 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)I have a family member, a Vietnam Vet, who has been really suffering PTSD and wants to kill himself, all these years on. He supported trump, I can't hold that against him. This may be the last straw in his support for trump.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,930 posts)I'm not a vet. I don't have PTSD. And yet I understand that PTSD is an uncontrollable consequence of really bad stuff happening.
These are the kinds of things that make state that it's a wonder the murder rate isn't a lot higher than it is.
DinahMoeHum
(21,841 posts). . .to the commanding officer at the base. . .
https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2018/01/mrff-demand-letter-to-major-general-john-p-pete-johnson/
(snip)
General, every year at this time like clockwork MRFF is usually inundated with a plethora of complaints about matters associated with the so-called National Prayer Breakfasts (NPBs) and National Prayer Luncheons (NPLs) which so many military installations hold on an annual basis. It has been MRFFs experience that such events, though billed as non-mandatory and pure-as-the-driven-snow voluntary are very often QUITE the opposite, in all actuality, for so very many unfortunate military subordinates who are VOLUNTOLD to attend by their command chains. (I will leave alone, for the moment, the array of serious issues of illicit, First Amendment breaches associated with all of these NPBs and NPLs as they are SO often misused and abused for sinister, twisted purposes of fundamentalist Christian proselytization.)
(snip)
BTW, the majority of the complaints Mikey Weinstein's outfit receives are from mainstream branches of Christianity.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to be untrue, in this case that PTSD doesn't afflict the religious, isn't the worst thing that could happen.
Voluntold shouldn't happen, of course, but light is being shined on beliefs that can't stand up to it.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)that Christians have to follow the laws in the Torah so don't quote from it.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Disguised as Christianity.
paleotn
(18,015 posts)Grifters and con artists are attracted to each other. And copeland has been scamming for Jebus for a very long time. He's cut from the same cloth as the Oral Robbers...I mean Roberts.... and his putrid son. I hate each and every one of those bastards with every fiber of my being.
turbinetree
(24,745 posts)as a taxpayer.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2018/01/18/kenneth-copeland-36-million-jet/
Maybe its time to remind these people, that as a taxpayer, I don't want my military being spoken to by a "guy" that has no fucking training or clue on PSTD and is basically a con artist, looking for new donations..................fuck this shit.
Jackson.armylive.dodlive.mil/leadership/
Phone: (803) 751-5166
Paladin
(28,290 posts)Always has been, always will be. He has no business appearing before our military forces.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)There is scientific evidence of brain changes in people with PTSD. The book The Body Keeps the Score is excellent in this regard.
raccoon
(31,136 posts)Crowman2009
(2,507 posts)Especially since the verse is referring specifically to the Kingdom of Israel's army--not any other country. All of these asshole prosperity hucksters are stupid enough to think the old testament applies to the United States. A bunch of European countries did this whole "god is with us" BS during the first world war as well.