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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:15 PM Jan 2018

Trump Allied Televangelist Who Says Only Non-Believers Get PTSD Invited To Speak To Military

Source: Newsweek Magazine




BY NINA BURLEIGH ON 1/26/18 AT 6:57 PM

A self described “Christian extremist” who believes American warriors are immune to post-traumatic stress disorder will be the featured speaker at a prayer breakfast at the nation’s largest military installation next week. Televangelist Kenneth Copeland, a member of President Donald Trump’s Faith Advisory Council, is scheduled to speak at the behemoth Fort Jackson army base in Columbia, S.C. on February 1.

Copeland belongs to a breakaway sect of Christian “Prosperity Gospel“ preachers who preach that Christ helps believers get rich, and that the Christian God and his Messiah disapprove of government programs for the poor.

Copeland was among a group of Christian fundamentalists who gathered at Trump Tower to lay hands on Trump in 2015, praying to know whether the Lord wanted him to run for President. Last year, he issued an online “prophecy” in which he proclaimed, "Our time has come. For we are the Christian extremists.”

But his most controversial remarks may have come in 2013, when he claimed the Bible backed up his notion that PTSD doesn't afflict True Believers. Reading from Numbers 32: 20-22, he said, “So this is a promise—if you do this thing, if you arm yourselves before the Lord for the war … you shall return, you’re coming back, and be guiltless before the Lord and before the nation. “Any of you suffering from PTSD right now, you listen to me,” Copeland added. “You get rid of that right now. You don’t take drugs to get rid of it. It doesn’t take psychology. That promise right there will get rid of it.”


Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-evangelicals-christians-us-army-military-ptsd-792797

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Trump Allied Televangelist Who Says Only Non-Believers Get PTSD Invited To Speak To Military (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
These people are as dangerous as any mullah.... pbmus Jan 2018 #1
I sure hope taxpayers are not paying They_Live Jan 2018 #2
Wow. Scary. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #3
Kenneth Copeland? TomSlick Jan 2018 #4
Why do we still have national prayer breakfasts? dhol82 Jan 2018 #5
The Satanists and Pastafarians are not being They_Live Jan 2018 #11
I would love to see someone with a colander on their head dhol82 Jan 2018 #12
It would have to be a National Prayer Lunch if you invited the Pastafarians jmowreader Jan 2018 #18
Don't knock it until you've tried it! FrodosNewPet Jan 2018 #38
They sure do pull some shit out their asses. He's one of the richest at 27 million +. YOHABLO Jan 2018 #6
His military service? Bone spurs? keithbvadu2 Jan 2018 #7
OMG That is awful beyond belief Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #8
Why a prayer breakfast at Fort Jackson? Sam McGee Jan 2018 #9
They had 'em when I served in the 1980s and 1990s jmowreader Jan 2018 #22
Lol. Apparently his god neglected to instruct him Hortensis Jan 2018 #31
Some of those Chaplains were evil little bastards Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #40
We're fighting idiocy Matthew28 Jan 2018 #10
Sick DURHAM D Jan 2018 #13
Track Palin? erpowers Jan 2018 #14
Track Palin had problems before the military Wordilocks Jan 2018 #19
Oh ... televangelists! Heres Pat Robertsons hypocrisy UpInArms Jan 2018 #15
astonishing hypocrisy, indeed yonder Jan 2018 #20
I don't know about anybody else, but... 3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #26
Ugh, fuck the Christian right! Initech Jan 2018 #16
Apparently he hasn't read the burrowowl Jan 2018 #17
Copeland was 1 of 6 evangelists Grassley tried to get financial info from. G gave up bobbieinok Jan 2018 #21
wonder if this fellow has ever been under fire or on the line ? hem. AllaN01Bear Jan 2018 #23
Wow that is some nasty shit coming forth from his mouth lunasun Jan 2018 #24
Not going to go over well with any Vet Miigwech Jan 2018 #25
I'm enraged. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #27
Letter by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2018 #28
Thanks for posting this. Imo, telling soldiers things they KNOW Hortensis Jan 2018 #32
You don't believe Cold War Spook Jan 2018 #29
I hate when non physicians try to practice medicine. McCamy Taylor Jan 2018 #30
Evangelical Christianity is a GOP political action committee bronxiteforever Jan 2018 #33
of course he's a flaming trumpster.... paleotn Jan 2018 #34
WHY was this dirt bag given a forum to proselytize his end times BS turbinetree Jan 2018 #35
Copeland is complete and utter garbage. Paladin Jan 2018 #36
More anti-science MountCleaners Jan 2018 #37
I hope he gets a loud booing and hissing. nt raccoon Jan 2018 #39
More bible verse cherry-picking BS! Crowman2009 Jan 2018 #41

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
5. Why do we still have national prayer breakfasts?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:30 PM
Jan 2018

When will we manage to go back to separation of church and state?

They_Live

(3,250 posts)
11. The Satanists and Pastafarians are not being
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:42 PM
Jan 2018

equally represented at breakfast. And they should be...

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
12. I would love to see someone with a colander on their head
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:46 PM
Jan 2018

asking for blessings from the great spaghetti head.
Ramen.

jmowreader

(50,603 posts)
18. It would have to be a National Prayer Lunch if you invited the Pastafarians
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:28 PM
Jan 2018

Spaghetti for breakfast doesn't sound all that good to me.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
6. They sure do pull some shit out their asses. He's one of the richest at 27 million +.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:34 PM
Jan 2018

Military+Evangelical Properity Christianity+Corporate America = the new Fascism.

Phoenix61

(17,027 posts)
8. OMG That is awful beyond belief
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:34 PM
Jan 2018

Like active duty members who have PTSD aren't worried enough about the stigma of seeking care. I am constantly stuck with so little to say other than, WTF is wrong with these people?!?. I sincerely wish I believed in hell because it would make me feel better knowing he was headed there.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
9. Why a prayer breakfast at Fort Jackson?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:35 PM
Jan 2018

Biblethumping military commanders . . . the sonsofbitches are everywhere.

jmowreader

(50,603 posts)
22. They had 'em when I served in the 1980s and 1990s
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 12:01 AM
Jan 2018

Every unit from battalion on up has a chaplain. Sometimes they get pretty extreme: when I was in Berlin they sent my battalion a fire-breathing fundamentalist chaplain who said at his first service that all Catholics were going to Hell.

The next morning he was handed a set of orders to Bad Kreuznach...apparently my very-Catholic battalion commander didn't want to be told he was going to Hell.

Farmer-Rick

(10,242 posts)
40. Some of those Chaplains were evil little bastards
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:59 AM
Jan 2018

Had one assigned to our department and he would go around telling everyone what the sailors said to him. A sailor would be having a problem, then go to him to discuss it, the next thing you know, he was telling the Department Head or the Master Chief.

Talked to him a few times about it and he claimed otherwise. People just stopped going to him. What a waste of space. Never did understand his purpose if he wasn't going to give confidential counseling.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
14. Track Palin?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jan 2018

So what about Track Palin? What about Chris Kyle? So, every man, or woman who suffers from PTSD is a non-true believer? So, what about people who claim to be non-believers, but also do not suffer from PTSD?

 

Wordilocks

(99 posts)
19. Track Palin had problems before the military
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:36 PM
Jan 2018

His time in the military probably just exacerbated existing issues.

burrowowl

(17,656 posts)
17. Apparently he hasn't read the
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:09 PM
Jan 2018

New Testament nor gotten the message love god with all your soul and your neighbor as yourself. Nor Faith and Hope shall all pass away but Charity will remain forever!
He is really filled with hate!

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
21. Copeland was 1 of 6 evangelists Grassley tried to get financial info from. G gave up
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jan 2018

Copeland attended Oral Roberts Universty in the early days. He was a pilot for Oral.



 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
25. Not going to go over well with any Vet
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 01:35 AM
Jan 2018

I have a family member, a Vietnam Vet, who has been really suffering PTSD and wants to kill himself, all these years on. He supported trump, I can't hold that against him. This may be the last straw in his support for trump.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,930 posts)
27. I'm enraged.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 03:44 AM
Jan 2018

I'm not a vet. I don't have PTSD. And yet I understand that PTSD is an uncontrollable consequence of really bad stuff happening.

These are the kinds of things that make state that it's a wonder the murder rate isn't a lot higher than it is.

DinahMoeHum

(21,841 posts)
28. Letter by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. . .
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 08:44 AM
Jan 2018

. . .to the commanding officer at the base. . .

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2018/01/mrff-demand-letter-to-major-general-john-p-pete-johnson/

(snip)
General, every year at this time like clockwork MRFF is usually inundated with a plethora of complaints about matters associated with the so-called “National Prayer Breakfasts” (NPBs) and “National Prayer Luncheons” (NPLs) which so many military installations hold on an annual basis. It has been MRFF’s experience that such events, though billed as “non-mandatory” and pure-as-the-driven-snow “voluntary” are very often QUITE the opposite, in all actuality, for so very many unfortunate military subordinates who are “VOLUNTOLD” to attend by their command chains. (I will leave alone, for the moment, the array of serious issues of illicit, First Amendment breaches associated with all of these NPBs and NPLs as they are SO often misused and abused for sinister, twisted purposes of fundamentalist Christian proselytization.)
(snip)



BTW, the majority of the complaints Mikey Weinstein's outfit receives are from mainstream branches of Christianity.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Thanks for posting this. Imo, telling soldiers things they KNOW
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 09:23 AM
Jan 2018

to be untrue, in this case that PTSD doesn't afflict the religious, isn't the worst thing that could happen.

Voluntold shouldn't happen, of course, but light is being shined on beliefs that can't stand up to it.

paleotn

(18,015 posts)
34. of course he's a flaming trumpster....
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 10:10 AM
Jan 2018

Grifters and con artists are attracted to each other. And copeland has been scamming for Jebus for a very long time. He's cut from the same cloth as the Oral Robbers...I mean Roberts.... and his putrid son. I hate each and every one of those bastards with every fiber of my being.

turbinetree

(24,745 posts)
35. WHY was this dirt bag given a forum to proselytize his end times BS
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 11:20 AM
Jan 2018

as a taxpayer.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2018/01/18/kenneth-copeland-36-million-jet/

Maybe its time to remind these people, that as a taxpayer, I don't want my military being spoken to by a "guy" that has no fucking training or clue on PSTD and is basically a con artist, looking for new donations..................fuck this shit.


Jackson.armylive.dodlive.mil/leadership/


Phone: (803) 751-5166


Paladin

(28,290 posts)
36. Copeland is complete and utter garbage.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 11:39 AM
Jan 2018

Always has been, always will be. He has no business appearing before our military forces.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
37. More anti-science
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 11:43 AM
Jan 2018

There is scientific evidence of brain changes in people with PTSD. The book The Body Keeps the Score is excellent in this regard.

Crowman2009

(2,507 posts)
41. More bible verse cherry-picking BS!
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:03 AM
Jan 2018

Especially since the verse is referring specifically to the Kingdom of Israel's army--not any other country. All of these asshole prosperity hucksters are stupid enough to think the old testament applies to the United States. A bunch of European countries did this whole "god is with us" BS during the first world war as well.

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