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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:46 PM Jan 2018

EXCLUSIVE: Trump Officials Discussed "Reversing" Abortion For Undocumented Teen

Last edited Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Vice News



By Carter Sherman Jan 31, 2018

The Trump administration official in charge of the Office of Refugee Resettlement discussed trying to use a controversial, scientifically unproven method to reverse an undocumented teen's abortion, according to documents reviewed by VICE News.

Scott Lloyd, a longtime crusader against abortion who heads the agency that oversees undocumented minors who enter the country without their parents, spoke with staffers about trying to reverse the abortion of a pregnant teen in their custody, according to a deposition he underwent as part of a lawsuit between the Trump administration and the American Civil Liberties Union.

In the past few years, opponents of abortion have championed the idea of halting a medication abortion midway by using the hormone progesterone. Anti-abortion activists have pushed governors in four states to sign laws requiring healthcare providers to tell patients about this so-called “abortion reversal” method. But there is no credible medical evidence that such a procedure works, and the mainstream medical community worries that using it amounts to experimentation on women.

Nevertheless, Lloyd said in the deposition that he and his staff discussed the possibility of abortion reversal. Emails obtained by VICE News, including one sent last March to the clinic handling the abortion of a teenager in ORR’s custody, also mention progesterone explicitly and show that officials had questions about the feasibility of using it “for the purpose of aborting a chemical abortion process.”

Read more: https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/yw5a5g/exclusive-trump-officials-discussed-reversing-abortion-for-undocumented-teen



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EXCLUSIVE: Trump Officials Discussed "Reversing" Abortion For Undocumented Teen (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
Aborting an abortion? Ohiogal Jan 2018 #1
Re-impregnate her?? Does he plan to do the job himself? lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #2
FUCK YOU, YOU WOMAN-HATING PIECE OF FILTH niyad Jan 2018 #3
Dr. Mengele Lindsay Jan 2018 #4
+100 Definitely the best comment. skylucy Jan 2018 #11
+1000 mountain grammy Jan 2018 #17
Crossed into gibraltar72 Jan 2018 #28
Rightwing madness. J_William_Ryan Jan 2018 #5
They do live in their own reality, don't they? haele Jan 2018 #12
If they were about preserving humans Marthe48 Jan 2018 #6
This is satire, right??? Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #7
Gets worse as the days go by in Trumps America. damn. riversedge Jan 2018 #25
If he can reverse an abortion, can we reverse 11/8/16? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2018 #8
WTF??? Faux pas Jan 2018 #9
this entire regime is a Gish gallop of WTF?! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2018 #10
Mengele, Exactly one of my first thoughts n/t MarcA Jan 2018 #14
Mengele is the first name that popped into my head. Female hormones - a deeply complex specialty Turn CO Blue Jan 2018 #21
Trump officials discussed a forced pregnancy Deb Jan 2018 #13
Oh, is THAT what they meant DFW Jan 2018 #15
Yea, Im actually relieved by what I read angrychair Jan 2018 #16
this cant be a legit story can it? TalenaGor Jan 2018 #18
from the article on reversing chemical abortions lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #19
These idiots really hate women and do not believe that women have any rights Gothmog Jan 2018 #20
I thought it said the hormone was "preposterone.' Beartracks Jan 2018 #22
DUzy! BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #23
Hey, thanks! Beartracks Jan 2018 #30
Out of all the scary dystopian bullshit I've heard from the Trump Junta Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #24
oh so he wants to be the one to grope the teenager... samnsara Jan 2018 #26
This is flat out criminal. This Pervert needs to be not just removed but arrested. stuffmatters Jan 2018 #27
I imagine this is likely for the abortion pill. But I believe the major effects of that are within dewsgirl Jan 2018 #29

Ohiogal

(32,206 posts)
1. Aborting an abortion?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jan 2018

When there's no evidence that it works? what will these sick fucks think of next?

haele

(12,701 posts)
12. They do live in their own reality, don't they?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jan 2018

Is this based on some theory based on early procedure that attempts (sometimes successfully) to prevent some miscarriages that may take several days to occur? After all, there are so many different combinations of various types of situation that may - or may not - trigger a miscarriage; some environmental, some genetic, some hormonal, some based on the mother's health, some based on fetal health or development.

I'm thinking that if the abortion procedure is already in progress - even if it's a chemical procedure, that's pretty much it. No amount of "heroic application" of hormones and chemicals would be able to reverse it without significant damage to both the mother and the fetus - if it did succeed.

On edit - Besides, if staffers at a facility forced someone to take "the reversal" against their will, wouldn't that be kidnapping?

Haele

Marthe48

(17,140 posts)
6. If they were about preserving humans
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jan 2018

they'd stop playing God with people's lives. This is as sick as anything nazi drs. planned to try.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
21. Mengele is the first name that popped into my head. Female hormones - a deeply complex specialty
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

and this kind of unethical experimentation on humans (coercion to change the wishes of the patient, going against medical advice of the original treating physician, mixing hormones, off-label use of a prescription, going against the scientific consensus of the medical community) should constitute human experimentation and his state licensing board should open a case on this "doctor".





DFW

(54,519 posts)
15. Oh, is THAT what they meant
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jan 2018

From the headline, I thought it meant Trump supporters got to rape the women to get them pregnant again.

Well...knowing those people, I wouldn't put it past them..........

angrychair

(8,758 posts)
16. Yea, Im actually relieved by what I read
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jan 2018

Based on the headline, I fully expected this to go in a different direction from what I read..forcible rape and impregnating were involved in my first impression though junk science and torture is hardly a consultation.

I put nothing out of scope with these idiots...they are seriously sick fucks.

lapfog_1

(29,243 posts)
19. from the article on reversing chemical abortions
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jan 2018

"Delgado had never heard of anyone “reversing” a medical abortion before, but he had an idea for how to try. A medical abortion comes in the form of two pills: Mifepristone, the first, works by blocking the hormone progesterone and preventing a pregnancy from continuing. Misoprostol, the second pill, is taken 24 to 48 hours later to cause contractions that empty the uterus.

Delgado fixed on progesterone, which is critical for sustaining pregnancy. Progesterone is cheap and widely covered by insurance. It’s often used to boost fertility and given to women at risk for miscarriage. Delgado thought that a woman who had taken mifepristone could increase the chance of continuing the pregnancy by first skipping the misoprostol and then taking a lot of progesterone — multiple times a week throughout her first trimester to overpower the mifepristone. The idea was less of a reversal, really, than a halt."

No comment.

Beartracks

(12,841 posts)
22. I thought it said the hormone was "preposterone.'
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:22 PM
Jan 2018

It may as well be called that, because the idea behind the procedure is preposterous.

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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
24. Out of all the scary dystopian bullshit I've heard from the Trump Junta
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jan 2018

this is #1...

And "Scott Lloyd" needs to be in motherfucking prison

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
29. I imagine this is likely for the abortion pill. But I believe the major effects of that are within
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:44 PM
Jan 2018

24-48 hrs. What the hell are they even doing? Those poor women that they are experimenting on.

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