Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

uberblonde

(1,215 posts)
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:31 PM Jan 2018

Pennsylvania GOP leader tells state supreme court he will defy its anti-gerrymandering order

Source: Think Progress

On January 22, the state supreme court struck down the state’s gerrymandered congressional maps — maps which enabled the GOP to win 13 of the state’s 18 congressional districts even in years when Democrats won the statewide popular vote. That order explained that the state’s maps must be “composed of compact and contiguous territory” and must not “divide any county, city, incorporated town, borough, township, or ward, except where necessary to ensure equality of population.” It also gave the legislature until February 9 to draw new maps, and the governor until February 15 to approve the maps and submit them to the court for review.

[...] Four days after its initial order, on January 26, the court issued a subsequent order requiring the legislature to turn over certain data — including geolocation files “that contain the current boundaries of all Pennsylvania municipalities and precincts” and various reports analyzing how well the legislature’s proposed new maps comply with the court’s January 22 order.

In a letter from his legal counsel, Scarnati explicitly refuses to comply with the second order. Though the letter claims that “the General Assembly is currently advancing bills aimed at creating an alternative map,” the letter also states that “Senator Scarnati will not be turning over any data identified in the Court’s Orders.”

Scarnati’s stated reason for this defiance is his belief that the court’s January 22 order “violates the U.S. Constitution’s Elections Clause.” Last week, Scarnati sought a stay of the January 22 order from the Supreme Court of the United States, claiming that only the state legislature and not the state courts are constitutionally allowed to weigh in on questions of gerrymandering. The U.S. Supreme Court has not yet ruled on this stay request, which means that both the January 22 order and the January 26 order remain binding upon Scarnati.

Read more: https://thinkprogress.org/pennsylvania-gop-leader-tells-state-supreme-court-he-will-defy-its-anti-gerrymandering-order-afc0b3cd8eb0/



They just can't win unless they cheat -- and they know it.
37 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Pennsylvania GOP leader tells state supreme court he will defy its anti-gerrymandering order (Original Post) uberblonde Jan 2018 OP
Lock him up! bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #1
Republicans hate the law. TeamPooka Jan 2018 #2
You can't have a..... SergeStorms Jan 2018 #22
It appears there are no enforcement agencies. UpInArms Jan 2018 #32
What's with all the gop'ers defying court orders? Not challenging the decisions, just flat-out shraby Jan 2018 #3
Because for the most part they have been able to get away with it Perseus Jan 2018 #19
Let's see, stupid, a blowhard Republican who knows he can't get elected procon Jan 2018 #4
OK, Contempt of Court fella! no_hypocrisy Jan 2018 #5
Really, that Congress job is worth going to jail for? lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #8
This is the trickle down effect from the moron. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #6
IDIOT BY CHOICE Angry Dragon Jan 2018 #7
Sounds like the court needs to issue an arrest warrant. cstanleytech Jan 2018 #9
Presidential pardon in 5 ... 4 ... 3 .... NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #10
No pardon coming from Cheeto on this - he can't interfere in state matters FakeNoose Jan 2018 #14
When has that ever stopped him? NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #15
Stop him? SCantiGOP Jan 2018 #20
He needs to be arrested. BadgerMom Jan 2018 #11
Good grief - lawlessness breaking out all over with these guys RandomAccess Jan 2018 #12
Once a decision has been made, the Supreme Court does not have the ability to enforce its rulings. elmac Jan 2018 #13
Well, Pa Cosmocat Jan 2018 #17
The AG, Audit Gen and Treasurer DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #26
One thing we have to admit..... Republicans have balls of steel when it comes to embarrassing world wide wally Jan 2018 #16
When you belong to a gang of outlaws like the GOP why would you obey any law handed down geretogo Jan 2018 #18
GOP response disregard court orders bluestarone Jan 2018 #21
Go to jail orangecrush Jan 2018 #23
Senate President Scarnati TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #24
Typical GOP fascist view. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #27
PA R legislature knows they went overboard with the maps DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #29
Thanks! And... TwistOneUp Feb 2018 #34
I am very surprised by this action DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #25
Maybe I'm naive, but... KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2018 #36
My impression is that it belongs DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #37
Jails were for made for you!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #28
It Seems They Know They Cant Win Fair And Square colsohlibgal Jan 2018 #30
Why did it take so long to get a court rule on this ? StTimofEdenRoc Jan 2018 #31
Well, I would expect the Court to issue an Order TomSlick Feb 2018 #33
I hope so. He needs to Stopped Cha Feb 2018 #35

bucolic_frolic

(43,548 posts)
1. Lock him up!
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:34 PM
Jan 2018

So privileged that court orders don't apply to him!

Try that next time you get a traffic ticket!

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
22. You can't have a.....
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jan 2018

successful coup d'état by following silly laws! The GOP was once viewed as the party of "the rule of law". Now they're completely lawless, and a good percentage of Americans are OK with that. Think about that for a little while, and just try to have it not mess up your day!

UpInArms

(51,296 posts)
32. It appears there are no enforcement agencies.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jan 2018

I banged my head on that brick wall with many state agencies in Missouri. I would find various elected officials breaking the rules, call the state and get told ... we make the rules, but cannot enforce them.

Sigh

shraby

(21,946 posts)
3. What's with all the gop'ers defying court orders? Not challenging the decisions, just flat-out
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:36 PM
Jan 2018

refusing to comply.
Thow their asses in the clink to think it over for a while.

If I did that, I'd suffer some down time.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. Because for the most part they have been able to get away with it
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jan 2018

Correct me if I am wrong but, didn't Karl Rove ignore subpoenas that were filed against him.

"Karl Rove, President Bush's longtime political guru, refused to obey an order to testify before a House Judiciary Committee hearing Thursday."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/10/rove.subpoena/

And he didn't show up...so, now Republicans feel they can ignore anything that comes from the courts. So far, the man-child, knowingly (I am assuming he understands the criminality of his actions, but I could be wrong) has committed "Obstruction of Justice" actions, continues to do it and still getting away with it, he continues to sign on horrible bills, continues to lie, tweet, etc. etc.

Same with Ryan, McConnell, etc. etc. So why would it be that other repubs would not believe the can get away with stuff like that as well?

Until the courts start making these people accountable for their actions, penalizing them, they will continue to challenge the courts. Its just like little kids, they challenge their parents until they finally get the punishment to finally realize their parents were not playing games.

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. Let's see, stupid, a blowhard Republican who knows he can't get elected
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:51 PM
Jan 2018

without cheating, vs the full force of the law behind the SCOTUS ruling that says, no, you can't cheat anymore... hmmm, who to pick?

BigmanPigman

(51,674 posts)
6. This is the trickle down effect from the moron.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:11 PM
Jan 2018

He is setting a great precident for getting away with murder from now on. The Law and Order and the Moral party my ass.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
14. No pardon coming from Cheeto on this - he can't interfere in state matters
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:53 PM
Jan 2018

It's up to the PA Supreme Court or the DA's office to issue a warrant for this guy.

SCantiGOP

(13,879 posts)
20. Stop him?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:34 PM
Jan 2018

It means he has no legal way to do this. It would be the same as me issuing a pardon - it would have no effect.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
13. Once a decision has been made, the Supreme Court does not have the ability to enforce its rulings.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:49 PM
Jan 2018

This can only be done by the Executive and Legislative branches of government, and since the fascists are in power they can ignore all the decisions they want and get away with it.

Cosmocat

(14,595 posts)
17. Well, Pa
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:00 PM
Jan 2018

Does have a pretty decent Democratic governor. It would be interesting to see if he had the ability to, if he could take action.

DeminPennswoods

(15,307 posts)
26. The AG, Audit Gen and Treasurer
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:39 PM
Jan 2018

are all Democrats. The governor heads the PA State Police. I can't imagine AG Josh Shapiro won't file charges against Scarnati et al.

world wide wally

(21,762 posts)
16. One thing we have to admit..... Republicans have balls of steel when it comes to embarrassing
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

themselves by bullshit.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
18. When you belong to a gang of outlaws like the GOP why would you obey any law handed down
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:19 PM
Jan 2018

from a court of law ? He belongs in hand cuffs and leg irons .

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
24. Senate President Scarnati
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:35 PM
Jan 2018

Should be thrown in jail for Contempt Of Court. This is a well-established procedure and is clearly within the court's jurisdiction.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,502 posts)
27. Typical GOP fascist view.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:52 PM
Jan 2018

I wanted to chuckle but I won't when I read they are "claiming that only the state legislature and not the state courts are constitutionally allowed to weigh in on questions of gerrymandering".

Isn't that a bit like letting the fox watch the henhouse? Apparently, These GOP critters don't accept the principles of balance of power in government systems.

And, welcome to DU!


DeminPennswoods

(15,307 posts)
29. PA R legislature knows they went overboard with the maps
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:03 PM
Jan 2018

They have been resisting releasing any info they used to create the maps.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
34. Thanks! And...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:59 AM
Feb 2018

Maybe the reason they don't want to release the data is because they then have zero wiggle room. By not letting the court see the data, they may have some wiggle room to avoid "going to college".

(The Chicago mob calls jail "college" because that's where you really learn what's what...)

DeminPennswoods

(15,307 posts)
25. I am very surprised by this action
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:37 PM
Jan 2018

I mean, the state Rs have become more rw over the years, but there are still a good chunk of Rs who can and do work across the party aisle.

I do know the Rs fought and fought to not release their data to the lower court. This shows they must be know the data will show how they illegally packed and cracked voters into various districts. The court has 5-2 Dem majority and I don't honestly see the 2 R justices going along with Scarnati. I think he'll be held in contempt.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,502 posts)
36. Maybe I'm naive, but...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 06:32 AM
Feb 2018

It would seem that the data would be public property and hence should be available to the public.

Have any idea of who assembled the data and who paid for it?

................

DeminPennswoods

(15,307 posts)
37. My impression is that it belongs
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 06:47 AM
Feb 2018

to the GOP legislators, but I don't know for sure. The data itself probably was derived from public data like voting rolls, census tracts, etc but the the Rs must consider they way they used it to pack and crack is proprietory.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
30. It Seems They Know They Cant Win Fair And Square
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 09:46 PM
Jan 2018

It sure looks like a race to the bottom for the republicans.

TomSlick

(11,152 posts)
33. Well, I would expect the Court to issue an Order
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 12:00 AM
Feb 2018

that Sen. Scarnati appear to show cause why he should not be cited for contempt. If he does not appear as ordered, I would expect the Court to send the State Police to take him into custody and hold him in jail until the Court's next sitting.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Pennsylvania GOP leader t...