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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:01 AM Jun 2018

NATO chief says alliance won't aid Israel if Iran attacks

Source: Associated Press




BERLIN (AP) — NATO’s secretary-general says the alliance wouldn’t come to Israel’s defense in case of attack by arch enemy Iran.

Jens Stoltenberg told the magazine Der Spiegel in comments published Saturday that Israel is a partner, but not a member and that NATO’s “security guarantee” doesn’t apply to Israel. Stoltenberg says NATO isn’t involved in Mideast peace efforts or in conflicts in the region.

He spoke at a time of rising Israel-Iran tensions. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently intensified his criticism of a 2015 agreement between world powers and Iran that offered Tehran sanctions relief for curbs on its nuclear program. The U.S. withdrew from the deal last month.

Israel and Iran have also clashed militarily over Iran’s military presence in Syria.

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Read more: https://apnews.com/f6379586733c49eba15ed39c48b4bfe5/NATO-chief-says-alliance-won't-aid-Israel-if-Iran-attacks

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NATO chief says alliance won't aid Israel if Iran attacks (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2018 OP
Israel desperately wants the US and NATO to blow up Iran for them. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #1
It might have been more diplomatic to say... thesquanderer Jun 2018 #2
Maybe the point was to make that point. shanny Jun 2018 #12
The quote was not about Israel attacking Iran... thesquanderer Jun 2018 #31
Good point. shanny Jun 2018 #32
That's a good point, I think. Captain Stern Jun 2018 #33
Thank god TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #3
NATO will be needed when Russia (Irans ally) 'tries' to invade Poland. Sunlei Jun 2018 #5
LOL TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #6
Why is that? They built an amazing country with little help after WW2. Sunlei Jun 2018 #7
"Little help?" shanny Jun 2018 #13
right after WW2 Israel couldn't even get direct war surplus, planes, large weapons 'help' Sunlei Jun 2018 #17
LOL --right after WWII. shanny Jun 2018 #20
The West TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #14
when you're paying $10 a gallon for gas for your car be sure to thank (R)ussians. Sunlei Jun 2018 #18
The rest of the world TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #21
No several countries pay much less because they don't profit off their citizens like USA does. Sunlei Jun 2018 #22
No country TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #23
what are 'western values' countries? and why are they important? Sunlei Jun 2018 #24
Easy to figure out TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #25
They built an amazing country with little help...? Screw Israel. Grins Jun 2018 #27
I am going to get that book from the library. Thanks. n/t MicaelS Jun 2018 #29
I knew a lot of that, but not in depth. shanny Jun 2018 #30
"NATO isn't involved in Mideast peace efforts". although Israel would crush Iran back to Sunlei Jun 2018 #4
You really think the Saudis are going to "crush" Russia? Jake Stern Jun 2018 #9
You got that right. The Saudis couldn't push a button without outside help. Coventina Jun 2018 #10
And Trump won't go against Putin to help avebury Jun 2018 #26
Saudis ------indirecty by crushing their enemy Iran* Sunlei Jun 2018 #19
Why would this subject. Snackshack Jun 2018 #8
Israel never expects non-Jews to come to their aid. WiseElder Jun 2018 #11
That gives Netanyahu Turbineguy Jun 2018 #15
Well, Israel isnt a NATO member, so they dont automatically get the NATO support. 7962 Jun 2018 #16
Iran would lose manicdem Jun 2018 #28

thesquanderer

(12,001 posts)
2. It might have been more diplomatic to say...
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:10 AM
Jun 2018

...that NATO is not obligated to come to Israel's defense, as opposed to seemingly ruling out the possibility that they might. But then again, there is no direct quote there. Between the reporter's paraphrase and possible language translation, we can't be sure of the exact nuances of what was said.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
12. Maybe the point was to make that point.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jun 2018

Israel wants to fight Iran, they want other countries to help, and other countries just said, up front, "No. You're on your own."

Good way to prevent a war, imo.

thesquanderer

(12,001 posts)
31. The quote was not about Israel attacking Iran...
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 01:44 AM
Jun 2018

...it was about what would happen if Iran attacked Israel.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
32. Good point.
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 08:05 AM
Jun 2018

However, I still think Israel is itching to have this war, and hoping to have allies fighting it.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
33. That's a good point, I think.
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 10:15 AM
Jun 2018

Israel isn't a part of NATO, so the countries that are, are not obligated by treaty to defend Israel, regardless of the situation.

However, that doesn't mean the those countries wouldn't, depending on the situation.

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
6. LOL
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:30 AM
Jun 2018

Trying to besmirch Iran by connecting them to Russia, in defence of Israel no less, is pretty... dishonest, as it's unrelated to either Israel's fear of Iran, or Israel's threat to Iran.

Israel should not get ANY support for warmongering against ANYONE.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
7. Why is that? They built an amazing country with little help after WW2.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jun 2018
"besmirch Iran"-give me a break!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. right after WW2 Israel couldn't even get direct war surplus, planes, large weapons 'help'
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:34 AM
Jun 2018

from the USA. Pilots & planes to fight off Middle-east attackers volunteered to help and WW2 (surplus as WW2 was OVER) surplus planes were bought in indirectly from others.

Israel would have been crushed by Jordan & Iran, but nope they fought fiercely and several American citizens fought by their sides.

138 billion over 70 years is peanuts, trump has spent 86 BILLION golfing the past year.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
20. LOL --right after WWII.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 12:09 PM
Jun 2018

Israel has probably been the largest recipient of US largesse since then. Also too if you had read the article you would know that outright aid is not all of it.

I'm not going to spend any time arguing with someone who thinks tRump has spent 86 BILLION with a B as opposed to MILLION with an M

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
14. The West
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:17 AM
Jun 2018

Has done far worse to Iran than Iran has done to anyone else.

On top of that, Israel is a lousy no good country. It was founded with terrorism, has ignored hard core right wing gangs which have murdered numerous people, has developed a WMD program and refuses to cooperate with anyone on its oversight, has stated wars - unlike Iran, has bombed UN facilities, murdered US soldiers and sure, has helped jihadis in Syria.

And all of that is still better than what the West - particularly the US and UK have done to Iran.

So yeah, besmirch Iran.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. when you're paying $10 a gallon for gas for your car be sure to thank (R)ussians.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jun 2018

what country wasn't "founded with terrorism" ????
 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
21. The rest of the world
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jun 2018

pays a LOT more for gas than you do already... gas prices are also only really a thing that Americans - who drive everywhere - care about... so that's not a convincing argument re: Iran and Israel.

And what country wasn't founded with terrorism? LOL.

This is the worst sort of "privilege" you're displaying.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. No several countries pay much less because they don't profit off their citizens like USA does.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jun 2018

re Iran & Russia & America and what you pay for gas at the pumps are quite related.

It's ok though, as long as you vote (D) in every election our democracy should survive the disinformation campaigns and the attacks.

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
23. No country
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jun 2018

With western values pays less than you do.

And BTW., no gas prices are controlled by a cartel which is run by our favorite dictatorship in the ME. The one using our weapons to bomb civilian infrastructure, multiple children's hospitals and refugee camps.

The only disinformation going on here is the propaganda you've been repeating.

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
25. Easy to figure out
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jun 2018

And they matter because comparing your country to countries that don't have free market systems for fuel - Saudi Arabia for example - means that such comparisons are meaningless.

Pretty typical of many Americans to compare the US to thirdworld countries to justify e.g. Gun violence.

Grins

(7,263 posts)
27. They built an amazing country with little help...? Screw Israel.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jun 2018

Soon after Geoffrey Wawro was Professor of Strategic Studies at the Naval War College in Rhode Island, he wrote a book describing the history, politics, and religion of the Middle East, with individual chapters on each country in the region.

Read the section on Israel and try, just try, to not throw the book across the room and not curse Israel.

Today there is a world of talk and an official investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 American election, while the Reich-wing overlooks (or is complicit) in the meddling Israel has done in every American election - since Truman. TRUMAN! Until 2016 - far more than the Russians.

And when you get done reading about Israel, read the section about Iran and what Eisenhower and the Reich-wing did to them back in the 50's, and the section on Nixon in the 70's kissing the Shah's ass for oil, and the support his administration gave to keep the Shah in power, up to where American Embassy hostages were taken during the Carter years. When I was done with that chapter and understood the real history better, I thought, "They will hate us for 100-years..." Because if I were Iranian - I sure as hell would.

And I'm writing this as on one who used to fully back Israel. No more. Screw you Bibi and your Likud.

His book is titled "Quicksand", for that's what that region truly is.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
4. "NATO isn't involved in Mideast peace efforts". although Israel would crush Iran back to
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:24 AM
Jun 2018

the 17th century , after the Saudis crush Iran & their ally Russia.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
9. You really think the Saudis are going to "crush" Russia?
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:39 AM
Jun 2018


The only thing keeping KSA afloat is the presence of thousands of American troops in country and in the surrounding Gulf nations.

If we were to pull out of the region KSA would be so weak that the Albanian Army could roll over it.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
10. You got that right. The Saudis couldn't push a button without outside help.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:42 AM
Jun 2018

They've used their wealth to hire other people to do their thinking and doing for them.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
19. Saudis ------indirecty by crushing their enemy Iran*
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jun 2018

you do realize Syria (Asaad) government and Irans government are allies with Russia?

*and only if Iran starts nuking shit because the drift will cover that area of the world first. Dubai is just over the water from Iran.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
8. Why would this subject.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jun 2018

Even come up? It is not mentioned in the AP article. However as stated by the Secretary-General, Israel is not part of the NATO alliance. So why would he be compelled to state the obvious.

WiseElder

(132 posts)
11. Israel never expects non-Jews to come to their aid.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jun 2018

But if they are attacked just get out of their way and there will nothing left of any of the attackers.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
16. Well, Israel isnt a NATO member, so they dont automatically get the NATO support.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 11:29 AM
Jun 2018

but Israel wouldnt need NATO anyway; they'd destroy Irans military in short order. And the world would be going nuts over the thousands of dead Iranian troops because they dont understand what winning a war entails.

manicdem

(397 posts)
28. Iran would lose
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jun 2018

Iran would never get into a major conflict with Israel (unless they had nukes) cause they know they will lose. Israel would dominate in a war. Also while most Arab countries dislike Israel, they consider Israel as the lesser of 2 evils and may join in to fight Iran.

Israel doesn't need MATOs help and NATO would probably want to stay out of the conflict unless Turkey somehow got involved.

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