NATO chief says alliance won't aid Israel if Iran attacks
Source: Associated Press
BERLIN (AP) NATOs secretary-general says the alliance wouldnt come to Israels defense in case of attack by arch enemy Iran.
Jens Stoltenberg told the magazine Der Spiegel in comments published Saturday that Israel is a partner, but not a member and that NATOs security guarantee doesnt apply to Israel. Stoltenberg says NATO isnt involved in Mideast peace efforts or in conflicts in the region.
He spoke at a time of rising Israel-Iran tensions. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently intensified his criticism of a 2015 agreement between world powers and Iran that offered Tehran sanctions relief for curbs on its nuclear program. The U.S. withdrew from the deal last month.
Israel and Iran have also clashed militarily over Irans military presence in Syria.
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comradebillyboy
(10,191 posts)thesquanderer
(12,001 posts)...that NATO is not obligated to come to Israel's defense, as opposed to seemingly ruling out the possibility that they might. But then again, there is no direct quote there. Between the reporter's paraphrase and possible language translation, we can't be sure of the exact nuances of what was said.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Israel wants to fight Iran, they want other countries to help, and other countries just said, up front, "No. You're on your own."
Good way to prevent a war, imo.
thesquanderer
(12,001 posts)...it was about what would happen if Iran attacked Israel.
shanny
(6,709 posts)However, I still think Israel is itching to have this war, and hoping to have allies fighting it.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Israel isn't a part of NATO, so the countries that are, are not obligated by treaty to defend Israel, regardless of the situation.
However, that doesn't mean the those countries wouldn't, depending on the situation.
TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)The last thing NATO needs to be involved in is this.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Trying to besmirch Iran by connecting them to Russia, in defence of Israel no less, is pretty... dishonest, as it's unrelated to either Israel's fear of Iran, or Israel's threat to Iran.
Israel should not get ANY support for warmongering against ANYONE.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Give me a break!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)from the USA. Pilots & planes to fight off Middle-east attackers volunteered to help and WW2 (surplus as WW2 was OVER) surplus planes were bought in indirectly from others.
Israel would have been crushed by Jordan & Iran, but nope they fought fiercely and several American citizens fought by their sides.
138 billion over 70 years is peanuts, trump has spent 86 BILLION golfing the past year.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Israel has probably been the largest recipient of US largesse since then. Also too if you had read the article you would know that outright aid is not all of it.
I'm not going to spend any time arguing with someone who thinks tRump has spent 86 BILLION with a B as opposed to MILLION with an M
TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)Has done far worse to Iran than Iran has done to anyone else.
On top of that, Israel is a lousy no good country. It was founded with terrorism, has ignored hard core right wing gangs which have murdered numerous people, has developed a WMD program and refuses to cooperate with anyone on its oversight, has stated wars - unlike Iran, has bombed UN facilities, murdered US soldiers and sure, has helped jihadis in Syria.
And all of that is still better than what the West - particularly the US and UK have done to Iran.
So yeah, besmirch Iran.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)what country wasn't "founded with terrorism" ????
TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)pays a LOT more for gas than you do already... gas prices are also only really a thing that Americans - who drive everywhere - care about... so that's not a convincing argument re: Iran and Israel.
And what country wasn't founded with terrorism? LOL.
This is the worst sort of "privilege" you're displaying.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)re Iran & Russia & America and what you pay for gas at the pumps are quite related.
It's ok though, as long as you vote (D) in every election our democracy should survive the disinformation campaigns and the attacks.
TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)With western values pays less than you do.
And BTW., no gas prices are controlled by a cartel which is run by our favorite dictatorship in the ME. The one using our weapons to bomb civilian infrastructure, multiple children's hospitals and refugee camps.
The only disinformation going on here is the propaganda you've been repeating.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)And they matter because comparing your country to countries that don't have free market systems for fuel - Saudi Arabia for example - means that such comparisons are meaningless.
Pretty typical of many Americans to compare the US to thirdworld countries to justify e.g. Gun violence.
Grins
(7,263 posts)Soon after Geoffrey Wawro was Professor of Strategic Studies at the Naval War College in Rhode Island, he wrote a book describing the history, politics, and religion of the Middle East, with individual chapters on each country in the region.
Read the section on Israel and try, just try, to not throw the book across the room and not curse Israel.
Today there is a world of talk and an official investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 American election, while the Reich-wing overlooks (or is complicit) in the meddling Israel has done in every American election - since Truman. TRUMAN! Until 2016 - far more than the Russians.
And when you get done reading about Israel, read the section about Iran and what Eisenhower and the Reich-wing did to them back in the 50's, and the section on Nixon in the 70's kissing the Shah's ass for oil, and the support his administration gave to keep the Shah in power, up to where American Embassy hostages were taken during the Carter years. When I was done with that chapter and understood the real history better, I thought, "They will hate us for 100-years..." Because if I were Iranian - I sure as hell would.
And I'm writing this as on one who used to fully back Israel. No more. Screw you Bibi and your Likud.
His book is titled "Quicksand", for that's what that region truly is.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Thanks for the recommendation.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)the 17th century , after the Saudis crush Iran & their ally Russia.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)The only thing keeping KSA afloat is the presence of thousands of American troops in country and in the surrounding Gulf nations.
If we were to pull out of the region KSA would be so weak that the Albanian Army could roll over it.
Coventina
(27,224 posts)They've used their wealth to hire other people to do their thinking and doing for them.
avebury
(10,953 posts)anybody else.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)you do realize Syria (Asaad) government and Irans government are allies with Russia?
*and only if Iran starts nuking shit because the drift will cover that area of the world first. Dubai is just over the water from Iran.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Even come up? It is not mentioned in the AP article. However as stated by the Secretary-General, Israel is not part of the NATO alliance. So why would he be compelled to state the obvious.
WiseElder
(132 posts)But if they are attacked just get out of their way and there will nothing left of any of the attackers.
Turbineguy
(37,420 posts)the excuse he needs to launch a pre-emptive strike.
7962
(11,841 posts)but Israel wouldnt need NATO anyway; they'd destroy Irans military in short order. And the world would be going nuts over the thousands of dead Iranian troops because they dont understand what winning a war entails.
manicdem
(397 posts)Iran would never get into a major conflict with Israel (unless they had nukes) cause they know they will lose. Israel would dominate in a war. Also while most Arab countries dislike Israel, they consider Israel as the lesser of 2 evils and may join in to fight Iran.
Israel doesn't need MATOs help and NATO would probably want to stay out of the conflict unless Turkey somehow got involved.