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jpak

(41,761 posts)
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 09:05 AM Jun 2018

High school valedictorian says she tried to speak about sexual assault and her mic was cut off

Source: CNN

Lulabel Seitz spoke freely about her immigrant family, her dreams and even the wildfires that forced her school to close last year. But four minutes into her graduation speech, the valedictorian says her microphone was abruptly cut off when she tried to mention being sexual assaulted at school.

"Because the class of 2018 has demonstrated time and time again that we may be a new generation but we are not too young to speak up, to dream and to create change. Which is why, even when some people on this campus, those same people ....," she told her fellow graduates last weekend before her microphone was disconnected.

The 17-year-old graduating from Petaluma High School in Petaluma, California -- a city about 40 miles north of San Francisco -- says she was sexually assaulted on campus by someone she knew but school administrators did not take action despite her formal complaints.

She also said that she was warned not mention it her in speech.

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Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/10/us/california-valedictorian-speech-cut-off/index.html

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High school valedictorian says she tried to speak about sexual assault and her mic was cut off (Original Post) jpak Jun 2018 OP
She had a message to deliver and was cut off. pazzyanne Jun 2018 #1
We all have messages to deliver. Igel Jun 2018 #4
Bingo SharonClark Jun 2018 #12
So. With that logic DiverDave Jun 2018 #14
An intellectual leader was addressing an assembly of her peers at a public gathering Aristus Jun 2018 #17
Have a nice day! pazzyanne Jun 2018 #19
So, thoughts and prayers and let's not talk about it now. When then? bitterross Jun 2018 #22
Yes, let's celebrate and ignore a student who was assaulted. Don't want to ruin a good day, do we? Doodley Jun 2018 #26
She was rightly cut off, IMO. She had agreed to not criticizing the school... Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #27
Seitz published her full speech on YouTube oberliner Jun 2018 #2
Who here is in the least bit surprised? efhmc Jun 2018 #3
she deviated from the remarks that she had given them. mopinko Jun 2018 #5
Some deals should be broken. Shipwack Jun 2018 #6
i'm not making a judgement, i'm just sayin mopinko Jun 2018 #7
Yeah well... dhill926 Jun 2018 #8
i dont disagree but mopinko Jun 2018 #10
She signed under duress. She earned the right to speak as "Valedictorian" . usaf-vet Jun 2018 #18
From the CNN article there was no deal - there was a dictate csziggy Jun 2018 #21
I hope she kept speaking as loudly as she could muster. 7962 Jun 2018 #9
Graduating is a happy time for all. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #11
Her speech was positive and uplifiting oberliner Jun 2018 #16
I agree, there's a time and a place for everything. Jedi Guy Jun 2018 #24
Hopefully, their censorship is having the Streisand Effect Pluvious Jun 2018 #13
Hopefully now the Police will get involved. mackdaddy Jun 2018 #15
Huh? Jedi Guy Jun 2018 #25
'free speech' regarding heaven05 Jun 2018 #20
Truth Frightens People Who Have Reason to Suppress It. MineralMan Jun 2018 #23
School administrators are too worried about their own ass. Their paycheck overrides truth. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #28

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
1. She had a message to deliver and was cut off.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 09:17 AM
Jun 2018

Wish they would cut the mike on tRump and his administration when they are on talk shows. That would make more sense.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
4. We all have messages to deliver.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 09:49 AM
Jun 2018

How'd you like your kid's birthday party to be the platform for somebody getting up and saying how horrible and downright shameful it is that we can afford presents and things like cake and ice cream while people are starving in Yemen? Yeah, probably not. Esp. if there's entertainment and people were planning on having fun. You know, a celebration with congratulations other than, "While you're here celebrating, people are dying, being raped and sodomized, starving in misery...."

Or maybe it's appropriate for an older kid to announce at his sister's party that he'd been molested in the bathroom for years by Uncle Mike, but decided to take that opportunity to condemn Mike publicly. After all, it's all about him, and the brazen effrontery to think that maybe other people set up the platform for their own use and not his.

It's nice to grab the stage and make everybody else's celebration a change to enforce by vigilante justice over what some administrator did or didn't do. After all, if the kid who did the assaulting was actually charged, that would violate procedural norms for dealing with minors; if not charged, then the courts have limited what schools can do. And in the spirit of restorative justice, we don't come down with a heavy hand on misconduct. Unless, of course, we have the moral authority of the arc of history bearing down on us and we are but its servants. And when it's public like that and all one-sided, it makes all that formality about what happened where so, um, non-indigenous.

Basically, she hijacked the thread because hers went nowhere. And because she didn't want to actually file charges, always an option, right?

There are ways of dealing with problems that do not involve defamation and assuming that everybody wants to have their celebrations and happy places made into the public square for a vigilante-style hanging.

Aristus

(66,530 posts)
17. An intellectual leader was addressing an assembly of her peers at a public gathering
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jun 2018

to talk about goals, ideas, and ideals, implementation of those things, barriers to their realization, and challenges to those who would accomplish them.

This was an inappropriate setting to talk about the setbacks she and others had suffered, and the crimes others were allowed to commit with impunity?

It sounds like 'Never' is the answer to: "When would be the right time?"



 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
22. So, thoughts and prayers and let's not talk about it now. When then?
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jun 2018

That's the same logic. It's the logic that sweeps everything under the rug and lets it continue to happen.

Doodley

(9,176 posts)
26. Yes, let's celebrate and ignore a student who was assaulted. Don't want to ruin a good day, do we?
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 02:36 PM
Jun 2018

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
27. She was rightly cut off, IMO. She had agreed to not criticizing the school...
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 03:13 PM
Jun 2018

and certain of its students. She broke the agreement.

Fair or not, when you go to someone else's house, they get to dictate what is spoken at their house. I don't eat beef or pork. If a friend invites me over for a bar-b-que but asks me not to lecture on the evils of beef, I either agree or not. If I agree, and then go and stand up and start criticizing the hosts for serving beef, they could rightly ask me to leave for disrupting their bar-b-que. That's not interference w/freedom of speech, when you are at someone else's property or function.

There are other things she could have done, and maybe did do. I think it's horrible that the school authorities didn't investigate an alleged rape, if that's what happend. I'm female and would be enraged by that, if it happened to me. But that has nothing to do with celebrating graduation with your class and giving a speech to lead them all into the future. She didn't have to speak there, considering the rule they gave her. But she chose to.

Everyone has corresponding rights. The students and school had a right to enjoy a positive experience about graduating and looking into the future, rather than rehashing old wounds.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. Seitz published her full speech on YouTube
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 09:19 AM
Jun 2018

Here it is:



Her comment with the video:

The Petaluma High School administration infringed on my freedom of speech, and prevented a whole graduating class from having their message delivered. For weeks, they have threatened me against "speaking against them" in my speech. Sometimes we know what's right and have to do it despite the threats. Watch the whole uncensored version here as well as the aftermath of them cutting my mic!

Shipwack

(2,183 posts)
6. Some deals should be broken.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:02 AM
Jun 2018

There are times when doing something important and moral is more important than adhering to a rule made under duress.

I’m just surprised that they weren’t vindictive enough to deny her the diploma.

mopinko

(70,388 posts)
7. i'm not making a judgement, i'm just sayin
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jun 2018

they hit the switch before she got very far.
she knew they would do that.

good for her for going there.

mopinko

(70,388 posts)
10. i dont disagree but
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jun 2018

i remember the end of high school well enough to get a little nervous thinking of handing a hot mike to a grad w/o a shut off switch.

usaf-vet

(6,239 posts)
18. She signed under duress. She earned the right to speak as "Valedictorian" .
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:01 PM
Jun 2018

The last lesson the school felt they were going to TEACH her was censorship.

Maybe they should have considered the parents of underclassmen deserved to know that the school environment is not safe for all kids. Threats exist and they could be ignored.

csziggy

(34,140 posts)
21. From the CNN article there was no deal - there was a dictate
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:26 PM
Jun 2018

From the CNN artilce linked in the OP:

She also said that she was warned not mention it her in speech.

"They just told me to not talk about it because it wouldn't help," she told CNN a week after the graduation ceremony.


Seitz's mom encouraged her to record a video of the speech she intended to give. With the help of her family, she stood in front of a camera reading her speech and posted it to YouTube the day after graduation.

"The Petaluma High School administration infringed on my freedom of speech, and prevented a whole graduating class from having their message delivered," she wrote on YouTube. "For weeks, they have threatened me against 'speaking against them' in my speech. Sometimes we know what's right and have to do it despite the threats."


From Washington Post article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/06/09/this-valedictorian-began-to-talk-about-sexual-misconduct-at-her-graduation-then-her-mic-was-cut/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.34bf4ea3f9ba)

According to the version of the speech that she read later and posted to YouTube, Seitz planned to say: “And even learning on a campus in which some people defend perpetrators of sexual assault and silence their victims, we didn’t let that drag us down. The class of 2018 has demonstrated time and time again that we may be a new generation but we are not too young to speak up, to dream, and to create change.”


Where is there anything about a deal? She was dictated not to speak and when she tried they cut off her mike.

Here is the full speach she intended to give:

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. I hope she kept speaking as loudly as she could muster.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jun 2018

At least the first several rows would har her & maybe even more if it was quiet enough.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. Graduating is a happy time for all.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:58 AM
Jun 2018

As she noted in her speech, she graduated after facing odds against it because of the hardships she and her family had endured. The other graduates were having a happy time, too, some of whom had faced similar hardships.

There's a time and place for everything. I'm on the fence about this, but I think it probably is the better policy not to allow complaints of the people giving you the diploma, and complaints about other graduates in the audience. That sort of hijacks the graduation experience of other graduates to make it about one person's complaints against the school.

Maybe she could have written an editorial for their school paper, or given a story to the press. Maybe expressed her views on her FB page, if many school members read it.

I haven't heard many graduation speeches, but those I've heard are usually positive, uplifting, maybe humorous, moving. They weren't talking about what's wrong with the school. That's not the right time or place, I think. The school had disallowed it, so she was forced to agree to that, if she wanted to give a speech. I hope this doesn't hurt her career; companies aren't big on employees who don't follow the rules. Hopefully they'll chalk it up to youth.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. Her speech was positive and uplifiting
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:27 AM
Jun 2018

With respect to the issues she brought up, she said: "We didn't let that bring us down".

The message was that there were struggles and challenges but that the class was able to rise about them triumphantly.

Pluvious

(4,348 posts)
13. Hopefully, their censorship is having the Streisand Effect
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:04 AM
Jun 2018

Giving her revelations more exposure and impact.

It just feels like we're living in transformative times.
I hope we can grow up soon.

mackdaddy

(1,532 posts)
15. Hopefully now the Police will get involved.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:19 AM
Jun 2018

First they should investigate the Sexual Assault, and then they should investigate the School Staff for withholding the report of the sexual assault.

Jedi Guy

(3,289 posts)
25. Huh?
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jun 2018

Where are you getting that the school withheld the report? According to the school's statement, local police were involved and "determined the course of action." To me that sounds like there was an investigation, but there was no actionable evidence to substantiate her allegation against the other student.

If there's no proof apart from her word, what are they supposed to do? Arrest and/or expel another student solely based on the allegation?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
20. 'free speech' regarding
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:22 PM
Jun 2018

anything related to sexism, racism that could blemish the illusion that ameriKKKa is still a land of free people. Free speech takes another hit.

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
23. Truth Frightens People Who Have Reason to Suppress It.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jun 2018

That's why she was cut off. However, now, her story will be told on a much larger scale, as news media picks this up. The school officials are going to be sorry about their action, I guarantee.

Her story is now national news, with the school administrators as the bad guys. They made a choice, and will now have to live with the choice they made.

Small people who are scared make poor choices.

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