Anti-Brexit Protest: More Than 100,000 Demand Referendum On Brexit Deal
Source: Huffington Post
23/06/2018 19:02 BST | Updated 4 hours ago
The People's Vote march has been called the biggest Brexit demonstration yet.
By Nicola Slawson
Kathryn Snowdon
An estimated 100,000 marched on Westminster on Saturday to show their support for a referendum on the final Brexit outcome, two years after the initial vote.
The Peoples Vote March set off at 1pm and organisers believe it is the biggest Brexit protest so far.
The mass demonstration through the streets of London comes on the second anniversary of the 2016 referendum.
Crowds waving flags and placards filled Parliament Square chanting We demand a peoples vote.
Read more: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/estimated-100000-march-in-anti-brexit-protest-in-london_uk_5b2e862ae4b00295f15cefa1
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)AZ8theist
(5,542 posts)Observed a halftime news report from Britain. Seems they indicated there was not a lot of interest in a re-vote from both major parties.
That to me appears questionable since the effects of the Brexit disaster will be quite heavy on British employment, for one thing.
Of course, there was the Russian Stooge, Boris Johnson, shoving his ugly mug in front of any available camera (did he take lessons from Rudy Giuliani, I wonder??....)and proclaiming Britain MUST EXIT NOW. Following instructions from Putin, no doubt.
I would like to think that if the citizens of Great Britain had the information available to them of the Putin HACKING of the Brexit vote along with the financing of the Russian stooges, that maybe....just maybe they would have voted differently?
It would have been nice here in America, if the populace had known about Russian interference ahead of time, we would not be stuck with the vile, disgusting Benedict Dotard.
Speaker to the Yanks
(26 posts)I voted Remain, as they should have. Apparently, many people thought that 23/06/16 was some sort of a damned 'pre-vote'. Fools, the lot!
Delphinus
(11,848 posts)With the talk of British representatives meeting with Russia, and the Cambridge Analytica interference, do you think the results might have been tampered with?
Speaker to the Yanks
(26 posts)Mr Putin doubtless gave support to the Leave campaign, but, as they say, one's product won't sell if there are no buyers. Thanks to fools like Farage, their were a sufficient number of buyers to upset the whole bloody apple cart.
Hekate
(91,059 posts)Putin has a very clear agenda to break up Western democratic alliances, and he is succeeding probably beyond his wildest dreams.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, and beyond the antique and useless Electoral College, it took a helluva lot of tampering, sabotage, and outright treason to ensure that Trump got sworn in.
In the West, we are all up against it. Welcome to DU, from out in California. Where, by the way, there was/is a movement called Calexit -- led by a guy with an office in (wait for it) Russia.
Speaker to the Yanks
(26 posts)I've little doubt that Mr Putin and his apparatchiks were active in both your election and our separation folly. But unless the Russians have developed methodologies capable of actually taking over the minds of foreign peoples, the fact remains that, in both our cases, there were sufficient numbers of gullible voters to make the disastrous difference.
Hekate
(91,059 posts)...and they leave no paper trail.
In key states, they were hacked. Yes, it has been proven.
As Stalin once said: It doesn't matter who the people vote for. It only matters who counts the votes.
Hekate
(91,059 posts)They found the entire FaceBook apparatus laughably easy to use, especially since Mark Zuckerberg, the creator of FaceBook, appears to be something of an idiot savant. FaceBook was mercilessly sliced, diced, and trolled with thousands of fake accounts, trolls, and bots.
Those of us at DU from its inception in 2001 have been concerned about the vote being hacked for over 15 years. There is an amazing amount of research and actual information available.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)The assassination of MP Cox one week before the election, which caused active campaigning to be halted, and the involvement of third party bad actors has tainted the results.
Also it is now clear that there is no way to resolve the problem of Ireland half in and half out with Scotland being very strongly in favour of staying in.
I don't think the greatest Brexit enthusiasts envisioned that Brexit could very well lead to a dismantling of the UK.
Given that all of the real life possible options are now more clearly defined, and that Britons can have an election now without interference from outsiders it would be very wise to have another vote on an issue that could effect Europe for 100 years.
Mc Mike
(9,118 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)which some of us also knew then, but never mind, I'd say they have a good case. And if Brexit goes down as it should maybe we can get a redo of our own. Better late than never!
Dan
(3,590 posts)How do we punish Russia - for what they did? You can not allow their actions to remain unpunished, there must be pain for Russia. They have declared a non-violent war against the West - attempting to destroy our governments, etc.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The question is what are the rules of the game and who applies them? I haven't followed every twist and turn, as I was pretty busy with other stuff that spring and was disgusted with the way November turned out. I tuned back in when Trump fired Comey and Mueller got into the act.
So here's my sad and cynical view of Russia fwiw: They were a player the way Honduras is a player in making merch for WalMart. I don't disagree that the outcome suits Putin and that he'd like to take credit for the whole sorry business but basically everything they did they did under the careful scrutiny of the US military and the massive US-UK intel establishment. There are more players of course that we're not supposed to mention, and I doubt if Barack and Brennan knew the full extent of it. But basically Russia doesn't own Facebook, the networks, the cable companies, the broadcast companies, the NYT and all the rest. They trolled the internet, fine, and probably got payed a few rubles for it. But the swiping of the Nov. '16 election was entirely a home-grown affair as far as I can tell. So basically I see Russia as a scapegoat. Whether Mueller topples Trump I kind of doubt but I hope I'm wrong.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)I think the Trump campaign was simply using anything and everything they could against Democrats and Hillary. That means legal and illegal. Ethical and the furthest thing from ethical. They didn't care, to quote a phrase. Whatever would weaken their opponents.
Russia played a part. And members of the Trump team, maybe even he himself, colluded with Russian agents to collect dirt on Hillary (or TRIED to at any rate) which Putin delightfully facilitated. Putin also helped with internet troll armies to spread fake news. Because it was in Putin's best interest to have Trump in the WH, someone that was stupid enough and compromised enough that he could use, and hold back from implementing sanctions on his and his fellow oligarch's ill gotten wealth.
But lets not kid ourselves, I'll bet at least 10x the money and efforts were spent by the GOP's own dark army. They had their own troll farms, home grown. They had their own compromised judges to okay voter suppression laws. And probably had and still have one segment of that dark army infiltrated in the voting machine industry.
But what may be a silver lining is that the Russian interference may well be Trump's Achillie's Heel. That the GOP were probably doing just fine on their own suppressing the vote, eliminating millions they didn't want voting off the voting lists, paying their own trolls to write on message boards and news sites, and of course their own media propaganda wing which included the most watched 'news' network, and thousands of daytime political talk radio stations. They may have just as well have "won" without Putin's help.
But their greed for anything and everything they could get, which included Putin's help along with laundered criminal money, might just be the domino that fells the whole putrid scam.
Dan
(3,590 posts)If true, proven true, then the government might collapse due to illegitimatcy or at lease fracture....whatever that might mean.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and along came Barack Obama who believes in the dream and what do you know, he pulled us out and then some. We've gotten through lot, a full-on civil war and untold internal coup attempts of varying degrees of success, and here we are. I was really looking forward to Hillary's presidency as I thought she might finally go after the VRWC and splinter it into a thousand pieces but it was not to be. So I don't know where we're headed but I don't think it's over a cliff just yet.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)The best evidence shows that per capita GDP in Russia has declined almost 30% during the time sanctions were first put in place.
This shows that it hit $ 10,000 in 2016 but latest figures show it down to $ 8,000
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-per-capita
We need to develop a broad North Atlantic coalition to contain Putin and lay the foundation for bringing Russia back into the family of nations so that the terrible burdens being felt by the poor in Russia can be addressed.
Obviously nothing positive can happen while the Republicans are in the White House.
moondust
(20,032 posts)on the deal, May can agree to pretty much anything, right? Imagine Trump having that kind of opportunity to enrich himself and his toadies.