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jpak

(41,761 posts)
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 11:17 PM Jun 2018

Border patrol agents are stopping people on highways in New England to check their citizenship

Source: CNN

(CNN)Far from ground zero in the Trump administration's crackdown on illegal immigration along the southern border, US Customs and Border Protection checkpoints on highways in Maine and New Hampshire are catching the eye of civil liberties groups.

On Interstate 95 near the remote northern Maine town of Lincoln this week, the Border Patrol said it made nine drug seizures and two arrests for immigration violations during an 11-hour checkpoint operation in which agents asked motorists about their place of birth and citizenship status.

The federal agency -- one of several at the center of a growing humanitarian crisis involving 2,300 children separated from their parents at the Mexico border -- said in a statement that Wednesday's checkpoint in Maine was "a means of preventing smuggling organizations from exploiting existing transportation systems to travel to the interior of the United States."

Customs and Border Protection says the US Supreme Court has affirmed the agency's ability to ask motorists' citizenship status, even if they have no suspicion. Agents use training and questions to make decisions about a traveler's citizenship or residency, it said.

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Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/maine-new-hampshire-border-patrol-checkpoints/index.html

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Border patrol agents are stopping people on highways in New England to check their citizenship (Original Post) jpak Jun 2018 OP
Where are we the USSR? nt doc03 Jun 2018 #1
Russia is on its way. They have already installed a puppet government. olddad56 Jun 2018 #24
We're almost the Western Annex tonekat Jun 2018 #46
Really, WTF njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #27
worse elmac Jun 2018 #43
Legally they can only ask at international airports and ports of entry lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #2
100 Lochloosa Jun 2018 #4
And all of Maine falls into that zone jpak Jun 2018 #5
Most of the US population falls in that area. At least on the east coast. Lochloosa Jun 2018 #6
But not NH ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #23
Wrong flotsam Jun 2018 #38
200 million Americans live within the 100 mile zone. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #15
Most folks dont realize that. They think it only applies to the border area. nt 7962 Jun 2018 #33
Makes sense. We have, after all, declared Canada a National Security Threat. Midnight Writer Jun 2018 #3
no doubt its coming nationwide AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #7
"Your rights in the 'border zone'" - ACLU explainer EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #8
Not answering their questions would be all the suspicion they need to detain you groundloop Jun 2018 #13
Strangely, no it's not Nevernose Jun 2018 #18
+1 thanks EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #20
From the explainer EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #19
Love John Lewis. Knew this interrogate anyone and ask for "their papers" was coming. iluvtennis Jun 2018 #28
Shit. I live within 100 miles of Canada, but not by much... pangaia Jun 2018 #14
The "border zone" includes 100 miles from any coast too. EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #21
Oh, that's even worse.. maybe 35 miles. pangaia Jun 2018 #22
It's a majority of the country. n/m EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #26
So all the Democratic voting, liberal cities with immigrant populations? DBoon Jun 2018 #40
Coincidence. Just like how GOP SCOTUS has made it really hard to register and vote in Dem areas EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #45
Jus another way Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #9
They want to fill up their "for profit" jails. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #16
Pip pip. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #25
USSR or Nazi Germany? axm Jun 2018 #10
Trump America Needs To End..Pronto.. Grassy Knoll Jun 2018 #11
Ain't nuthin' new. I have a N.J. license plate. I was stopped in New Hampshire about 5 years ago. 3Hotdogs Jun 2018 #12
A map of the 100 mile zone rocktivity Jun 2018 #17
So next week when I go north a few miles north to Ohio Amish country the doc03 Jun 2018 #32
That shows Lake Michigan as part of the border. muriel_volestrangler Jun 2018 #41
Anyone feel that maybe part of the idea is to scare specific races away from the polls in Nov.? C Moon Jun 2018 #29
Two of my credit card companies bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #30
Everyone has the misconception watoos Jun 2018 #31
A number of years ago, we were caught in a checkpoint by Alabama state troopers... yallerdawg Jun 2018 #34
They should pull over people who look Canadian IronLionZion Jun 2018 #35
"No Thanks" DHS Checkpoint Refusals Compilation IronLionZion Jun 2018 #36
I understand the frustration elmac Jun 2018 #44
violation of your 4th amendment rights AllaN01Bear Jun 2018 #37
Until Melania produces her work papers watoos Jun 2018 #39
New Englanders seem to be a crusty lot CanonRay Jun 2018 #42
We're not taking it well at all. Totally Tunsie Jul 2018 #47

lapfog_1

(29,243 posts)
2. Legally they can only ask at international airports and ports of entry
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 11:20 PM
Jun 2018

and within a certain number of miles within the US border (60 miles I believe).

Midnight Writer

(21,856 posts)
3. Makes sense. We have, after all, declared Canada a National Security Threat.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 11:20 PM
Jun 2018

It's not the first time our government has chased the phantasms of Donald Trump's mind.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
8. "Your rights in the 'border zone'" - ACLU explainer
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jun 2018
https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/your-rights-border-zone

You have the right to remain silent or tell the agent that you’ll only answer questions in the presence of an attorney, no matter your citizenship or immigration status. You do not have to answer questions about your immigration status. You may simply say that you do not wish to answer those questions. If you choose to remain silent, the agent will likely ask you questions for longer, but your silence alone is not enough to support probable cause or reasonable suspicion to arrest, detain, or search you or your belongings.



As before, when you are at a checkpoint, you can remain silent, inform the agent that you decline to answer their questions or tell the agent you will only answer questions in the presence of an attorney. Refusing to answer the agent’s question will likely result in being further detained for questioning, being referred to secondary inspection, or both. If an agent extends the stop to ask questions unrelated to immigration enforcement or extends the stop for a prolonged period to ask about immigration status, the agent needs at least reasonable suspicion that you committed an immigration offense or violated federal law for their actions to be lawful. If you are held at the checkpoint for more than brief questioning, you can ask the agent if you are free to leave. If they say no, they need reasonable suspicion to continue holding you.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
18. Strangely, no it's not
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:41 AM
Jun 2018

Under the Martinez decision (and a previous one from the 50s), just stopping you is detaining you. They can ask you to pull over and ask you the same questions again, but only for a few minutes. A “reasonable” length of seizure.

That’s all crazy, but here’s the crazy part of the Martinez decision: while SCOTUS specifically gave the BP permission to ask people their immigrant status at random stops within a hundred miles of the border, SCOTUS also said that the people stopped don’t have to answer the question, and that the BP has to let the silent people go.

They don’t always let people go. Sometimes they’re malicious, sometimes they’re ignorant, sometimes they’re badly trained, but refusal to answer questions isn’t cause for reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
19. From the explainer
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:43 AM
Jun 2018
If you are held at the checkpoint for more than brief questioning, you can ask the agent if you are free to leave. If they say no, they need reasonable suspicion to continue holding you. You can ask an agent for their basis for reasonable suspicion, and they should tell you. If an agent arrests you, detains you for a protracted period or searches your belongings or the spaces of your vehicle that are not in plain view of the officer, the agent needs probable cause that you committed an immigration offense or that you violated federal law. You can ask the agent to tell you their basis for probable cause. They should inform you.



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EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
21. The "border zone" includes 100 miles from any coast too.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:44 AM
Jun 2018

So basically where more than 50% of the population of the US lives. New York, Boston, LA, Washington, SF, Seattle, Portland, Miami, etc etc etc

DBoon

(22,430 posts)
40. So all the Democratic voting, liberal cities with immigrant populations?
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:12 AM
Jun 2018

Anyone who lives in heavily populated areas that are strongly against Trump can be questioned at whim by ICE?

Interesting how that works out

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
9. Jus another way
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 11:47 PM
Jun 2018

to get an officer to be sniffing around your car and your business, to see if they can arrest you on something. Are we carving out another search exemption? 100 miles from the border they can do that I'm told. Some states can have legal checkpoints as per state law. I assume that means the Canadian border as well. (the 100 mile deal.)
If that's the case police in Cleveland, Buffalo, Detroit, etc...can use it as a blanket reason to pull you over...doesn't pass the smell test to me. I dunno.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
25. Pip pip.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:10 AM
Jun 2018

That's a fact. And pay for them with taxpayer dollars. Using the power of the govt to redistribute our wealth.

3Hotdogs

(12,467 posts)
12. Ain't nuthin' new. I have a N.J. license plate. I was stopped in New Hampshire about 5 years ago.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:10 AM
Jun 2018

I was visiting friends who live in the northern part of N.H. Border patrol or whatever organization it was, set up a roadblock and stopped every car. --- showed a license and i was allowed to proceed.

That was during the Obama administration

doc03

(35,454 posts)
32. So next week when I go north a few miles north to Ohio Amish country the
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:38 AM
Jun 2018

the SS can ask to see my papers! Sounds like the stories my uncle told about living in Romania during
the USSR occupation. Next if we want to take a road trip we will need permission from the government.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,415 posts)
41. That shows Lake Michigan as part of the border.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:16 AM
Jun 2018

Surely not? It can't be international waters, can it? This says not:

four of the Great Lakes are international waters

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1962d-20

And obviously Michigan is the exception.

bucolic_frolic

(43,511 posts)
30. Two of my credit card companies
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:48 AM
Jun 2018

in updating background information from the 1990s to comply with federal requirements

asked the same thing as part of their verbal survey.

"Are you a U.S. citizen?"

Struck me as odd.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
31. Everyone has the misconception
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:18 AM
Jun 2018

that Trump and the Repugs want money for more agents along the southern border, they want more agents across the country. Godwin's Law be damned, we are fast approaching Nazi Germany. Papers Please.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
34. A number of years ago, we were caught in a checkpoint by Alabama state troopers...
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:16 AM
Jun 2018

outside a town near an enormous chicken plant.

They asked for my vehicle registration and proof of insurance - required by law - and we had neither in the vehicle. I thought I was at least going to get ticketed!

The trooper looks around the car, and said "Get that in your glove compartment, have a nice day."

I'm sure "being a typical Alabama dumbass" convinced them I was a US citizen more than any ID would.

In other words, they were 'profiling' a specific area and doing immigration enforcement for the state. The state also tried to require teachers to report suspected immigrant status, but courts shut that down.

IronLionZion

(45,667 posts)
35. They should pull over people who look Canadian
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:42 AM
Jun 2018

they could be anyone, anywhere.

Yes, I know they pull over whites too. But they give extra scrutiny and harassment to brown people and refuse to believe our passport or driver's license is even real. It happens to me with my DC license. These assholes claim DC isn't a state and can't have licenses.

I carry my passport whenever I travel by car or plane. Yes, it is a US passport.

IronLionZion

(45,667 posts)
36. "No Thanks" DHS Checkpoint Refusals Compilation
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:46 AM
Jun 2018


This video is from 2013. If you try it these days you better hope you didn't get tan over the summer because it might end up bad for you.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
44. I understand the frustration
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 11:49 AM
Jun 2018

and before the fascists took control I would have answered their questions but now, as a protest, I would make their job a pain in the ass.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
39. Until Melania produces her work papers
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:07 AM
Jun 2018

for when she did modeling she is an illegal immigrant. If she lied to immigration her naturalization is null and void.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
47. We're not taking it well at all.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jul 2018

Checkpoints and complaints are escalating and it's becoming a more publicized issue in the media. ALL of New England, save for a tiny corner in SE Vermont, is in the enforcement zone so basically any of us can be pulled over at any time. Ridiculous! Supposedly we have the right to refuse to answer citizenship questions, but must be prepared to be retained until the patrol is satisfied we're not a danger.

Thus far, the patrol is asking questions without requiring production of paperwork. I put nothing past the Dump administration and feel that it's just a matter of time before this changes. I used to have a wallet-sized certified birth certificate, but that's gone missing over the years, and I have just submitted a form and payment to my hometown Clerk's office to replace it, just in case. I don't wish to carry my Passport at all times, and a drivers' license is only proof of residence, not citizenship.

[link:https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone|
?itok=rDq-QHhW


Much of U.S. Population Affected
•Many people think that border-related policies only impact people living in border towns like El Paso or San Diego. The reality is that Border Patrol's interior enforcement operations encroach deep into and across the United States, affecting the majority of Americans.
•Roughly two-thirds of the United States' population lives within the 100-mile zone—that is, within 100 miles of a U.S. land or coastal border. That's about 200 million people.
•Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont lie entirely or almost entirely within this area.
•Nine of the ten largest U.S. metropolitan areas, as determined by the 2010 Census, also fall within this zone: New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego and San Jose.


"Papers, please." Be ready...it's coming.
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