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and don't even think of writing some kind of declaration calling the king out on his behavior.

She said harass cabinet members. As much as I like him, he is flat out dead wrong. DeVoes, Pruit, Hucklberry etc deserve our scorn and derision the second they set foot out their front door until the second they slither back into their dens.

The Nazi-in-Chief and his racist administration should be hounded EVERYWHERE they go... no justice, no peace!!

I never have liked Schumer that much.

A hearty "fuck you!" or "shame!!" to Trump's enablers is WHOLLY American and in well within the spirit of the first Amendment.

She is calling for exactly what you are in different words. This is about speaking out- NOT lynch mobs. Calling people in power out on their actions in a non-violent way that shows we will hold them accountable for their behavior. In a country where elections are stolen, minorities are murdered and harassed on a daily basis and babies are being locked in cages, this kind of discourse only serves to uphold the status quo which is SEVERELY fucked up atm. Cheeto Benito is taking her words out of context in order to attack her and you just gave him and his cronies fuel for the fire.

So quick to turn on their own, while a republican can get away with anything in their own party.
We need to stop this because we need to WIN. Our country is at stake.

Franken

I don;t see anything in arithia's post that is 'turning on' Schumer. He'she is strongly disagreeing with Schumer,
as do I.

Turning against Franken WAS real.

...and indicative of the wholly unsupported sentiment "this is why we can't get things done?

Bumper-sticker sized thoughts and fortune cookie wisdom is no substitute for rational thought, though it's damn sight more convenient.

Don’t put down your peeps publically. It weekend them.

a premptive strike

American to make the distinction between what donnie does and what Rep Waters was calling for? I sure don't. I understand what they're (Sen Schumer and Rep Pelosi) trying to say. If we want to take the high road (which, at it's core, is never easy), we can't go into the gutter (not what Rep Waters was doing but again, a distinction lost on many people) and fight with the pig. We CAN'T make it easy for the lazy thinkers to throw up their hands and say they're all the same.

boxing gloves to a knife fight. We are in a war — one the Rs have been fighting for 30 years while we’ve been acting civil. They’ve stepped over a conspicuously clear line with this family separation, just following the law bullshit. Being civil in the face of this is acquiescing to evil.

Who are the lazy thinkers you refer to? If they can’t understand the how vile, inhumane and dangerous the detainment effort being carried out by this administration is, then they are not with us anyway. We lose nothing by standing up against such blatant inhumanity.

are the independents who only pay attention to what's going on after Labor Day, the ones who are too busy working or taking care of their families to spend time obsessing about the news every day. I don't blame most of them for tuning out - they have lives to live. But when they DO tune in, seeing Rep Waters call for a mob scene (which is exactly what she did) gives them all the ammunition they need to claim "both sides do it". I'm about as angry as I've ever been watching this repulsive piece of shit tear apart my country but I have no intention of wasting that anger on petty nonsense like getting someone tossed from a restaurant. Make some calls, knock on some doors, raise money - there are plenty of ways to use your anger in a positive way.

for the middle class and poor for 4 decades now, and now has worsened via overt racism, bigotry, xenophobia leading to sheer human rights violations by our illegitimate federal executive government. Doing more of what we've always done -- taking the high road, focusing on the mechanical tasks associated with electing Democrats is business as usual in my view and will only result in further human tragedy in my opinion.

That's not to say that you or anyone else should harass Trump administration officials if and when you see them -- but criticizing people who do and calling for civility at a time like this, when human beings are being unlawfully detained and harmed by our own government is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.

Most minority groups seem to understand what's going on is wrong. The problem in this instance are the (mostly white) folks who are terrified of the boat rocking in the first place. It's easier for people to ignore shit that doesn't affect them directly. Calls for civility amount to "shut up, sit down and stop making me think about shit I don't wanna or don't understand". We've seen it already with kneeling football players- it doesn't matter how much respect they showed, at issue is the mirror the players held up. People don't like what they see.

Naming the abusers for what they are, over and over again, will be necessary. Silence = normalization. Either we need to get much louder or the Trump admin is gonna have to make shit MUCH worse before the hesitant are willing to step up. And yes, people are gonna get upset that the status quo is being disturbed. That status quo doesn't impact them directly, so they won't care why/how people are protesting. It's up to us to rustle their jimmies enough to take action.

We must be the shield for those with no power until that third of our population with their heads up their asses wakes up to disarm the swordsman.

Ms. Waters did nothing like that.

Exercising your first amendment right by speaking freely against those in this administration is crucial. Perhaps if so many Democratically elected officials were not so intimidated by the wrath of tweets, we Democratic voters would not feel the need to show our disgust towards outright bigotry to members of this administration. The bigotry of our opponents would still exist, but it would be back in the shadows. Perhaps this exposure is for the best? This is, for now, still a relatively free country, so you are free to express and defend your ideas.

These administration officials need to be questioned and confronted about WH policies more often, not less.

Either join the resistance or get OUT of the way!!

If Schumer is going to keep rolling over to tRump, we need better leadership.

1.) Call for capitulation
2.) Reverse psychology version of stoking the blue base anger, because it certainly seems to be working (i.e., Drumpfsters respond to one type of thing that gets them angry but since we are in "opposite world", maybe doing the opposite will get us even more riled up)

the same to Franken?

She has a message and she's not afraid to speak her mind... she will not be silenced!!!

Just don't get it

He took what Maxine said totally out of context, and he's wimpy as well

with baseball bats till our brains and blood burst out while we take the high road and are seeking civil discourse.

That those in the Administration are not facing any consequences for their behavior and attitude. Scott Pruitt still has a job; Sarah Huckleberry only lies and still has a job; Jeff Sessions still has a job defacating all over the Constitution; Kristjen Nielsen has no heart; Betsy DeVos is gutting education and still has a job; and the rest of the Cabinet is busy tearing this Country apart.
All this, and we’re just supposed to sit back and take it.
Sorry Charlie, but we are pissed and are doing what we can.

So many people to go after - so little time!

We do NOT need to sit and be quiet - that time has long passed!

Great post, Ccarmona!

with physical violence. Perhaps that would be a better use of his voice. Just saying.

just when we have a good thing going, someone takes it one step over this weird invisible line that only exists for Democrats and we start cannibalizing each other

and the part about “how we lose” too. Our frigging leaders are still all about civil discourse even though the Rs are blowing up the frigging world! Jesus help us.

instead of going united against enemies by all means possible. Public shaming is the very least we can do because it’s not about politics but trum admin inflicting personal harm to large number of people. Unlike trump supporters we dont engage in violence.

Harassing opponents goes back to the very beginnings of the republic. It's quintessentially American.

How many YEARS,DECADES do you need to review to see that's BULL??? Gosh,was it all that long ago where we endured EIGHT years of them trash talking Obama?

I don't get it ... Chuck all over Maxine ... going oh so righteous ... and maybe I missed it, but not one word condemning Trump's threats against her. Go Maxine!

I don't want to hear it....

but I’m with Schumer on this. Like Michelle Obama said when they go low, we go high. Republicans are going to take those videos of Trump officials being harassed and use it in political ads this Fall. Don’t see how this helps Democrats.

and raise you video of babies in cages after being ripped from their mother's arms.

oops.

you just give the R's a reason to respond in kind (and possibly with greater force). Its a frequent political tactic of authoritarians to goad the opposition into minor action and use it to justify a massive over reaction.

It's "leaders" like you that have given control of Congress to the repugs for all these years.

You're so busy worrying about what might rile up the opposition that you don't have a clue how to actually fight.

I'm w maxine. What's the alternative? Back down when challenged? yeah...kiss the next two elections goodbye. At some point...the rubber meets the road. This is all an attempt this week to stop the marchers this weekend from booting some gd ass. This is ALLLLL about chicken shit repubs who are frightened about this, and trying to stop it before it starts.

Watch yourself; Chuck.

As a constituent; I refuse to relent to party politics which gives legitimacy to any of these perpetrators...

I'm with Maxine on this one. I think the time has come to push back and push back hard on this neo-fascist regime.

the ugly ugly tweets and the millions that followed bc they were given permission by the tangelo in ....just can't say chief anymore. dt is all i can muster.
Remember the uGLY UGLY tweets about First Lady Obama...emphasis on LADY. All the crude ted Nugent style jokes and angry bullshit.
At some point a person being abused...says no more. (I
'm thinking Farrah F Majors in the BURNING BED&gt At some point the cornered and poked dog will bite back out of survival. We are the dogs in the corner....and they think if we get prodded enough, we'll forget how MANY MORE OF US THERE ARE THAN THEM.
Don't forget it either. There's going to be INDIVISIBLE PEOPLE starting protests in practically EVERY county in this vast country. It's time to appreciate those people and give them the strength for the next one...and the next.
If you just don't know...go to the courthouse at your Capital or the county seat courthouses. It's time to get this thing up and floating.
'68 to '18 50 YEARS OF PROTEST'
" One Year To Change'

I admired the Obamas who took the high road when their opponents took the low road. In principle, of course, they are right. But in practical terms -- when the opponent has no qualms about harassing Democrats, from the President to ordinary citizens, then it grows more and more difficult to take that high road.

This weekend an old woman harassed Jim Accosta from CNN and told him to get the f**k out of the hall, until she turned and riled up the crowd behind her to chant the same. Trump has no qualms about name-calling, singling out Democrats, and using every low-brow antic to keep his fans happy, while tormenting the opposition; it doesn't even matter to them that what he says is not true aside from being completely wrong coming from the POTUS.

So, while Waters has set herself up for a whole lot of blowback from her remarks -- she was right, she speaks for many Democrats and I think she is tough enough to take it.
It is regrettable that this is where we are, but we Democrats are finally at the point where we are mad as hell and not going to take it any more.

I think many of us feel and think right now with perfect and complete clarity.

I don't hold it against Schumer for speaking out against Waters -- he has to do what he is expected to do.
It's only words -- he has no power over Waters.
Inwardly he may be cheering her words, but he can't do so publicly.

our heritage and our honor are being destroyed— not to mention the lives of thousands of refugee children. This is a war being perpetrated by insane people filled with xenophobic hate against anyone who is not like them.

Playing the game. That’s how we got here.

let's make it clear to them that they are not welcome in polite society and it's time for them to crawl back under their rocks.

Perhaps if more "good Germans" had not been afraid to make Hitler and his minions uncomfortable in public at the beginning things would have been different.

republicans play them like a fiddle

This is just f**king political posturing to attract and enrage viewers in order to gain viewership.

It is just f**king reality TV, and while it may be a cathartic experience for some, which is fine, it absolutely does NOTHING to remove the Nazi in the WH

No, I don't have a problem if people shun and trash supporters of trump, and members of his administration. Yes, they absolutely deserve it, but the ONLY way stop the Nazi's in the WH is getting people out to vote. While anger is a motivating factor to get people out to vote, people losing their healthcare, civil rights, jobs, social security, Medicare, are the issues that will affect people.

The asinine debate whether people should or should not be civil to each other is just a f**king distraction, to divide Democrats.

In case anyone was asleep in 2016, this was the exact garbage that happened, with the cooperation of our illustrious media

Not.

It's time to push back. We're on the edge of fascism. What if people had pushed back in Nazi Germany? Would millions of people have been gassed, if the masses of the people hadn't gone along with the fascist policies? Maybe. But maybe not. Looking back, pushing back would have been worth a try, I think.

Walters told reporters she had never called for violence or harassment of Trump administration officials, rather she asked her supporters to protest "peacefully." She suggested that if people personally believe that kicking a Trump administration official out of a restaurant is their form of peaceful protest, she would stand by it

Waters also repeatedly denied that her fellow Democrats, including Schumer and Pelosi, were referencing her when they spoke about the need for civility in politics. "They have talked about civility from everybody," she said. "Don't put this on Nancy Pelosi. Don't put this on everybody, put it on Trump.

Benjamin Arnold had to leave the country. I recommend the same for Trump and his cronies.

I wouldn’t condemn her for it

And calling her un-America was WRONG.

don’t like chuck. He’s a doormat for the GOP. If we take the senate we need a bulldog leader like warren or duckworth.

they are traitors, racists and criminals and if elected law enforcement won't act we will.

and tell everybody to knock it off.

but was his "condemnation" of what Waters said as stern a his condemnation for what Dump is doing with immigrant little kids?

They can't help themselves some of them can they? Goodness.

Kidnapping kids and putting them in cages... THAT is un-American. Harrassing people for committing such injustices is protest and very American.

One is a gun shop and the other is a shooting range. My neighbor tells me the shooting range has Obama's face lining the urinals.

I agree that the government and it's officials should not be calling for the shunning, shaming or harassment of anyone.

But as far as I know, being an asshat is not a protected class. I have already cut ties with some of the super conservative asshats that I simply don't have the patience to deal with anymore. If Ted Nugent can hold up his AR in front of an audience and ask Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi to stick it between their legs and still get an Oval Office Reception with the President, then the Old Rules are pretty much out the window.

PS Remember Jesse Helms declaring that if Obama ever came to North Carolina, he better bring extra security?

...clearly we were rewarded by our appeasement and being the bigger people and going hight when they went low.

I mean that approach has been paying off electoral and political dividends left and right, hasn't it? I mean clearly that's what the people wanted, Democrats gave it to them and they've been rewarding us ever since.

Oh wait, that's right. That hasn't happened. It never stood a chance of happening.

But by all means tell me how we need to keep listening to the voices that continue to advocate that our reward for good behavior is just right around the corner. Any day now.

Chuck advocates calm, pleasant, nice talk and trying to engage with our opponents? How cute.

Worked so well for us so far hasn't it, Chuck? You and your colleagues call for pleasantries and niceties and reaching across the aisle is what got us met with this big, giant, proverbial slapping hand in the first place.

More Maxine, less Schumer.

This is not about a disagreement about taxes
This is not a qualm about getting roads fixed.
This is not a petty fight about climate change
This is not about a scrap over funding a cause

This is about an all out war on our democracy, about our rights that are disappearing as fast as a winter sunset. This is a war we are fighting to protect our way of life. This is a war we did not start but was thrust upon us. This is a war to preserve our Constitution. This is a war that has no rules, has no decency, has no morals. This is a war we have no idea how to wage but fight we must
This is a war for survival.

We have to remain as moral as we can, we should not allow ourselves to descend into the sticky morass of lies and deception to further our cause. We must remain vigilant in this war to uphold a certain measure of decency. But we cannot allow ourselves the luxury of being told we cannot hold our oppressors to, at very least, the same standards that we set for ourselves. We must be allowed to be able to call them out. If that action uses stronger words than we are used to, so be it. If it takes to using terms we may be a little uncomfortable using, so be it. This is war and the usual rules of discourse should be amended.

....what if Chuck Schumer runs into David Brooks at a DC restaurant and David furrows his brow at him because the Democrats aren't being civil?

What if Joe Scarborough and Schumer are at a cocktail party together and it's uncomfortable for Chuck?

I mean really, stop being so selfish and looking at that small stuff and pay attention to what is really important.

Just do your job, which is to legislate and provide checks and balances, not tone police ordinary people who are being hurt by your Republican colleagues.

about Maxine.. we mostly all love her. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

What do you have to say about fucking trump in South Carolina, Chuckie?

polling data on a regular basis. It wouldn't be surprising if he gets daily updates.

Yes, the Senate is more collegial than the House - I think this is more than that. We don't have access to their private meetings; however, my intuition is that every statement he makes is tested to understand whether it supports or detracts from electing a majority in the Senate - especially with the large number of seats he is defending.

If is satisfies us today but helps sustain the Senate's status quo in another three months, I believe that cost is too high.

Ask Al Franken how that six inch blade feels.

all the rights to refuse service to her and her party (and did so). And, this decision was a joint one, voted on by all employees of the Red Hen.

What's fair is fair. Tit for Tat.

our hopes are with these people to lead and be our voice, but they turn on use to be civil. How about shut up and protect this country from all threats foreign and domestic Orange Men that are fucking crazy!

I'm not so sure that I trust Schumer to impeach tReasonous-in-chief, IF Dems do get the House and Senate.

He may say that "For the GOOD of this country, we HAVE to do the people's business, AND that IMPEACHMENT of tRumputin may bog us down as a country."

He insults Maxine Waters, but Rat-bastid-in-chief insults crying chuck whenever he feel like it, and Schumer takes it, and seems to like it

We can't trust them to do what is right, they would want to be CIVIL.

Hope Kamala Harris runs for leader, because I'm really, really sick of his appeasement.

We need better leadership in the Senate.