Sanders says he did not know about sexual harassment allegations during campaign
Source: The Hill
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said he was unaware at the time of allegations that aides working on his campaign experienced sexism and harassment in 2016.
Sanders on Wednesday responded to a New York Times report that nearly a dozen female staffers on his campaign claim to have been harassed and their superiors handled their claims improperly.
I was a little bit busy running around the country, trying to make the case, Sanders told CNN's Anderson Cooper, regarding his knowledge of the allegations.
Sanders noted that if he ran for president again in 2020, he would do better next time.
Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/423622-sanders-says-he-did-not-know-sexual-harassment-allegations-during-campaign
I believe that "management" is one of the skills we're looking for in a President
Annnnnnd there were some here who thought Bernie wasn't qualified to be president because he wasn't rich enough after years in office. Poor management skills.
Oy.
trueblue2007
(17,250 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)is kept for Bernie and not Elizabeth
Cha
(298,077 posts)So true.
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)a Democrat through thick and thin, not merely a Democrat of convenience.
Cha
(298,077 posts)Elizabeth talks about POC have a much harder plight and she has a spot with President Obama.. she doesn't run from him.
Happy Blue Year, BlueMT!
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)Hope that your holiday season was great!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)actions, their own words, and own ideas.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)I must have missed that.
emulatorloo
(44,274 posts)Shes her own person.
brush
(53,978 posts)When she didn't Sanders jumped in.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)He was being begged to run and didn't "jump in" to fill a vacancy. Geez
brush
(53,978 posts)at the time having been a vocal advocate of and then appointed by Pres. Obama to create the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
She was known nationally for that while Sanders did not have the same national prominence.
You can't rewrite history.
onit2day
(1,201 posts)emulatorloo
(44,274 posts)and an even temperament, which IMHO Senator Sanders lacks.
For those reasons and others I believe she is a better qualified candidate than Bernie, who I supported in 2016 primary.
Cha
(298,077 posts)makes an appearance that Elizabeth is Not like BS.
Cha
(298,077 posts)Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)RockRaven
(15,096 posts)but that is what he is going with...
So if true, it is bad... and if false, it is bad for a different reason.
Yikes.
George II
(67,782 posts)...that his 2018 re-election campaign addressed it.
How can one address an issue and not know about it? He needs to read up on President Harry S. Truman, ya think?
Cha
(298,077 posts)what happened doesn't speak well for his leadership skills.
Exactly.. how can he know nothing about it when it was supposedly already addressed.. except for the 24 staffers who now want to meet with him and jeff weaver in person?
cstanleytech
(26,361 posts)in this case and thus not "bad" at all.
It becomes bad however if he was made aware of it and made efforts to cover it up.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"He has always been a hands-on campaigner. He has had the people who have had the title of campaign manager, but he is always his own campaign manager, said Terry Bouricius, a longtime Sanders ally and former aide who served in the Vermont House of Representatives. Sanders wants to approve every single everything, Bouricius added, so its a bigger change of gears for him than it is for most people.
cstanleytech
(26,361 posts)Mind you, he would not be my first pick for the office as I would prefer someone like Hillary but I think he would do a far better job than the jackass that currently is in office.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2019, 02:47 PM - Edit history (3)
I pointed out how surprising it is that he would not have known how many people in his campaign were experiencing this.
Sanders refused to endorse his director of Latino outreach, Arturo Carmona for his own run for office in 2016. Carmona was one of those who was accused.
And even after all the revelations about his behavior came out in 2017, he was still invited to "The Gathering" held by Sanders recently in Vermont.
NanceGreggs
(27,821 posts)My problem with Bernie has always been that he sounds a little too much like someone we've all come to know and loathe.
"I alone can fix everything."
"I know more about how the gov't should be run than anyone else."
"I'm too important to be bothered with details."
"Every great idea is something I thought of first."
"Anything that goes wrong is someone else's fault."
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(298,077 posts)same thing!
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onit2day
(1,201 posts)Though it seems he gets blasted on DU at ever opportunity and it's 2016 all over again He's a good man who has done a lot for our party's direction. It's like watching someone insinuating Hillary's huge corporate speaking fees made her shortsighted and greedy when in fact it was just what they offered to hear her speak. I hate watching people make allegations to justify their deep seated resentments.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I seriously doubt that had he been aware that it would have been allowed to continue. Just like every organization or company stuff happens and it doesnt always make it to the bosss desk.
No one can be everywhere at once, but that seems to not be good enough for some on this board.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You mean like this?
"insinuating Hillary's huge corporate speaking fees made her shortsighted and greedy "
onit2day
(1,201 posts)the sentence explains why it was unfounded.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"Deep seated resentments" are duly noted.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Sanders must be a real threat to Wall St. The NY Times is all about attacking him. What a shame that dems on this thread are joining the feast. Many voted for him and I guess that angers many here.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)for Wall Street now?
How do you explain their "feasting?"
People involved in the effort said they signed the letter before Sanders (I-Vt.) officially launches a 2020 presidential bid in the hope that it would lead to real action if and when the senator begins assembling his team. Organizers wrote they wanted the meeting to produce a plan for implementing concrete sexual harassment policies and procedures; and a commitment to hiring diverse leadership to pre-empt the possibility of replicating the predatory culture from the first presidential campaign.
The signees range from field organizers to some of the top officials on the 2016 campaign, according to multiple people involved in the effort. Some of the signees do not expect to join any 2020 campaign, while others are open to joining a potential Sanders 2020 bid.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014
McKim
(2,412 posts)Feasting can be explained. I should have said that the critics jumped on the bandwagon after the story about the Sanders campaign was run through The NY Times and other news media. This site has many here eager to put down candidates. Be careful friends, about joining the attacks.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You know that putting down or otherwise "attacking" allies of Democrats is not allowed here on DU.
What "attacks" are you talking about? Factual news stories? The words of his own staffers?
Do you think that they are not being truthful about their experiences? Are you saying that saying one believes them them is "jumping on the bandwagon with critics?"
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)No surprise....
George II
(67,782 posts)....he's got upwards of $1M invested in "Wall Street", so I seriously doubt that is a factor.
This scandal has nothing to do with political ideology or policies. It has to do with sexual harassment and sexual violence.
yardwork
(61,794 posts)I'm a Democrat.
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,411 posts)ProgLibDem
(41 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)I loved that he made a part of our discussion income inequality, Medicare for all, Free public college, campaign finance which refused corporate donations, increased min wage to a livable wage plus all the things Elizabeth Warren stands for regulating the banks and wall street reform. How anyone could view such a positive person so negatively is puzzling to me...especially someone I admire cause I would not vote for one with such qualities. I would have no problem voting for Bernie if he becomes a democrat again.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)We cannot ignore these revelations by his former staffers, nor his statment that he didn't know about how pervasive this was, nor the concern that his 2016 staff has for his 2019 and 2020 campaigns.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)On the night of President Donald Trumps first State of the Union address, Hillary Clinton published a statement on her decision not to fire a campaign adviser who was accused of sexual harassment.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, a female staffer reported that Clintons faith adviser, Burns Strider, had touched her inappropriately, kissed her on the forehead, and sent her suggestive emails, according to Maggie Haberman and Amy Chozick of the New York Times. Clintons campaign manager at the time, Patti Solis Doyle, as well as Jess OConnell, the campaigns national director of operations, reportedly recommended that Strider be fired. But Clinton instead moved the female staffer to a different job, docked Striders pay, and ordered Strider to attend counseling which, sources tell the Times, he never did.
Strider was later hired by Correct the Record, a group that supported Clintons 2016 run for president. He was fired a few months later, Chozick and Haberman write among the reasons were reports that he had harassed a female aide.
Clinton had addressed the story briefly on Friday, tweeting that she was dismayed by the harassment report but heartened the young woman came forward. But a few minutes before Trumps speech began on Tuesday night, Clinton posted a lengthier statement on Facebook, in which she attempted to explain her decision process at the time. Though Clinton admitted she wouldnt make the same choice again, her statement falls short as an apology, attempting to deflect attention onto others and failing to address some of the key issues in the case.
I didnt think firing him was the best solution to the problem
If I had it to do again, I wouldnt, Clinton said of her decision to keep Strider on. But at the time, she wrote, I didnt think firing him was the best solution to the problem. He needed to be punished, change his behavior, and understand why his actions were wrong. The young woman needed to be able to thrive and feel safe. I thought both could happen without him losing his job.
Taking away someones livelihood is perhaps the most serious thing an employer can do, she went on. When faced with a situation like this, if I think its possible to avoid termination while still doing right by everyone involved, I am inclined in that direction.
Its not clear, however, whether Clinton really did right by everyone involved when she asked a woman who reported harassment to change jobs, while the man whose behavior she reported got to keep his.
..................
Now I'd never start an OP over this, even though some seem to think airing our laundry in pubic is somehow helpful. But just to show that we can find anything bad we want to on our friends and allies......and then post an OP about it, and then watch as the dividers go off on them and insinuate even more sinister reasons to further split our party. But again.......why?
R B Garr
(17,019 posts)about a pervasive hostility in BERNIEs campaignthe letter is current news and we could see it for ourselves how hostile his reps like Jeff Weaver were/are. We can see it with our own eyes, so the letter just reinforces it.
Spamming Whatabout Hillary because she knew one guy...that is divisive.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)I'm only showing the hypocrisy in here by some.
This story came out recently, but the facts of the cases are different. In one, the candidate didn't know about it. In the other the candidate swept it under the carpet and punished the victim. But hey, who's counting. Both were awhile ago, the primaries are over, none of these stories are worth digging up.
Why give the Trump cultists any ammunition against one of ours? Oh right, our most popular senator, who draws crowds, and gets young people to vote Democrat, is the enemy.
R B Garr
(17,019 posts)should be with his staffers who are confronting him again about this. Your analogy is completely false there is proof Sanders knew about it, but is denying it (swept it under the rug? your words).
Your spin on why we have Trump is also false and self-serving. It was the baseless and prolonged attacks on Clinton, sort of as evidenced with your own post here, where she is accountable for all the men on her campaign while Bernie is responsible for none. Those are the real hypocrisies and double standards.
Biden is the most popular......
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)An OP entitled "Sanders says he did not know about sexual harassment allegations during campaign", but why not just take out the word "not", and then your argument looks better eh? Because....you know that he is lying right?
And my chief reason why Hillary lost was exactly because of the "the baseless and prolonged attacks on Clinton". Not by the imaginary hordes of "BernieBros", but by Russia, and the GOP voter suppression, and the nasty RW media. And that decades long anti-Clinton smear campaign worked, and that is one reason why IMO Sanders had more of a shot at winning the Presidency....and with him a lot more Democrats.
And I brought that story up not because I want to condemn Hillary. It was a bad incident, to which she was not directly responsible for, much like in the Sanders case, to which she has apologized for and said she'd have done it differently if she could. And Sanders is also open to hearing out the complainants and dealing with it as well. My point is what good does it do to elevate stories like this? Whether its against Sanders or Clinton?
And geez....does it really matter if Sanders, in some other poll, is #2, or #3? That is still popular enough to take into consideration when deciding to pile on.
R B Garr
(17,019 posts)and Hillary basically won except for the baseless and prolonged attacks on her. There is no excuse for it and there is no defending it. You should stop. But mostly, rehashing these ruminations about Hillary have nothing to to with this thread. This thread is not about Hillary.
This thread is not about Hillary. This thread is about Sanders staffers confronting him about the abuse they endured working on his campaign. We all saw the very hostile Jeff Weaver on TV, and the letter does seem to call him out.
This thread is not about Hillary. I doubt a very hostile and confrontational Jeff Weaver could have convinced the majority of Democrats about much of anything because he was so combative and insulting. That is what the letter is about. This thread is about Sanders knowledge of the problems in his campaign. Its not about Hillary.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)Whatever you say Garr
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George II
(67,782 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)obamanut2012
(26,188 posts)Yup, here we go.
BUTWHATABOUTISM is what the GOP does, just stop it.
karynnj
(59,511 posts)this is. NONE of these candidates wanted harrassment to occur. I would not be surprised if some incident happened in every major campaign. It is a societal problem. Look at the stories and the polls asking women if they were ever harrassed. A campaign - with a looser power structure than a business or a government office, where people are away from home, working endless hours likely have more problems.
My first impluse is to say every 2020 campaign needs a strong one proven incident - you are out. However, looking at the Clinton 2008 case, there were likely two reasons she kept a high level abuser. The one she gave is that her religion teaches forgiveness and second chances. The second - which is conjecture on my part - is that she saw him as an important, unique person whose outreach would be key to winning the Presidency.
The Sanders campaign might have been far more likely to have problems than many others because his team was quickly pulled together and incuded many contractors. He did not have a big political team from the past to pull from. Does this reflect on Sanders management cababilities? Sure, but so would the Harris and Clinton problems reflect on theirs. In all three cases, they managed the CA Attournry General's office, the State Department and the town of Burlington respectively -- as well as their Senate offices. I would be more concerned if there were incidents that were NOT responded to in these more stable offices. I have heard NOTHING suggesting that he did not deal with harrassment in his Burlington Senate office or from people speaking of his tenure as mayor - even from people who were not completely positive about him.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He is known for being VERY hands on with his campaigns, and this is more than just a few people. Tad Devine certainly wasn't a newbie to major national campaigns, and certainly not to Sanders. Many of his 2016 campaign alumni are asking for a meeting to ensure it doesn't happen again, because they are not sure that it won't. They've been talking among themselves about it.
People involved in the effort said they signed the letter before Sanders (I-Vt.) officially launches a 2020 presidential bid in the hope that it would lead to real action if and when the senator begins assembling his team. Organizers wrote they wanted the meeting to produce a plan for implementing concrete sexual harassment policies and procedures; and a commitment to hiring diverse leadership to pre-empt the possibility of replicating the predatory culture from the first presidential campaign.
The signees range from field organizers to some of the top officials on the 2016 campaign, according to multiple people involved in the effort. Some of the signees do not expect to join any 2020 campaign, while others are open to joining a potential Sanders 2020 bid.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014
karynnj
(59,511 posts)My point is that I would not make the claim that Sanders -- or Clinton of Harris - should be disqualified as lacking management skills because they either did not know or did not respond strongly to people reporting to them harassing people. My point is that one should look at the broader picture to assess how they would be as managers. In addition, my point was NOT to judge Sanders, who I do not think will be the nominee in 2020, but to consider the issue of how campaigns should address this.
Note that the reccomendation is to develop a gold plated standard going forward. As a response to ME Too, this should be something that ALL campaigns address. My point is that sexual harrassment is a function of our culture and exasperated by the environment, the hasty organization of campaigns (hasty compared to a company or a government organization), and the nature of campaigning. The purpose of publicly and within the campaign of setting a red line is to make people think before doing anything untoward.
As I said, I would like a one strike you are out rule. However, looking at Clinton's explanation and the underlying information on that specific charge, I can see how complicated it could be. If you assume that someone is uniquely valuable to a campaign AND they would be difficult to replace, do you think many (if any) campaigns would not give the second chance that Clinton gave -- with actions intended to monitor that it never happen again.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Was Kamala's staff being harassed by that man along with others who were under her perview? No.
Again, Sanders is known for a very hands on management style. And your response was not to the OP. It was to a post that pointed out the whataboutism concerning Kamala Harris' very different situation.
Several Sanders staffers have come forward. Where the managment failed in this situation wasnot addressing it in a way that those who experienced it have faith that real change was implemented.
Hence the meeting that the alumni staffers (some who were senior staffers) want to have with Jeff Weaver and others.
There was no such discussion or call for a meeting among alumni staffers of HRC's 2008 campaign. She dealt with it to their satisfaction in 2008.
That is good management of personnel.
karynnj
(59,511 posts)Not to mention, at this point we do not know all the stories of the Sanders campaign, but it may be that known of the harrassers were as prominent in the organization as that man was in the 2008 campaign.
As to where I responded, there is no rule that your point considers just the immediate post you reply to. As in a normal conversation, the context is the entire conversation.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)after the 2008 campaign to prevent it from happening again?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html
I ask this since you seem to feel a need to compare the current revelations to her 2008 campaign.
Apparently you feel that she erred to keep him on the campaign, even though she herself took action, moved him, and there were no further issues with sexual harassment.
I have to wonder if HRC would be given such a pass on saying "I had no idea that there was sexual harassment by one person, let alone many others, on my campaign. Nor did I know that there was pay inequity between male and female staffers. I was very busy."
You may also want to google Arturo Carmona and learn what happened after complaints were made. Let me know if you think it was handled "better" than the incident in 2008.
lapucelle
(18,411 posts)It's about a "predatory culture" and "an untenable and dangerous dynamic that developed during [the] campaign."
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)lapucelle
(18,411 posts)the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
R B Garr
(17,019 posts)the abuse we could all see for ourselves, namely the abuse of Clinton.
You obviously havent read the actual letter or are intentionally mischaracterizing it to exonerate Sanders, but the letter calls out Jeff Weaver pretty clearlynot a bunch of contractors as you are trying to distract us with.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)mcar
(42,474 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.
I see no hippocrisy on mcar or anyone else's part - just your whataboutism.
Perhaps you can explain where Kamala's staffer is being defended - which is what would make your accusation of "hippocrisy" accurate.
Otherwise - it's whataboutism.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)Some are using the bad behavior of others to bash someone they dont like. So go ahead, open that door. Just dont be surprised when that leads to other doors being opened. Now whataboutism away.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Got it.
You pointed to Kamala in an attempt to make someone else look less flawed, when no one was holding Kamala up as a defense.
Whataboutism.
Is that clearer?
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)evident in this thread when they face similar controversies. Anything less would be hippo-critical.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So you act like it has, and get defensive when you are called out on whataboutism.
Just own it - you're upset that several staffers have made these allegations about that campaign, so you try an "over there! Look over there!" to anyone who might be his opponent in 2020 an effort to make it seem less problematic for your preferred candidate and bring more so for "their" candidate. "Everybody else was doing it, Mom!"
When it's actually it's a group of people coming forward about the Sanders campaign, unlike with Kamala.
Perhaps you can find something on yet another Democrat who is a potential challenger for 2020 that the "anti-anyone but Bernie crowd" can use to portray the rest of us here as being "hippo-critical?"
You might take note that the post you are responding to with a high five got removed.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
But I get it... when a sacred cow is illustrated to be less than sacred, irrelevant sacrifices, and false equivalencies must be sacrificed on the altar in its stead.
Hippos, indeed.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:39 PM - Edit history (4)
His harrassment of campaign staffers was public by late 2016. He makes a point of saying it was Jane (not Bernie) who did the inviting.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)Wallace is named. Harris hired him the following March.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)like Pence and other candidates have been.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Amen, dont feed the toll mainstream media who love a good put down.v Anything to keep the focus off the real issues of the presidential campaign. Lets talk back and ask why they arent reporting on the issues!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and "mainstream media?"
People involved in the effort said they signed the letter before Sanders (I-Vt.) officially launches a 2020 presidential bid in the hope that it would lead to real action if and when the senator begins assembling his team. Organizers wrote they wanted the meeting to produce a plan for implementing concrete sexual harassment policies and procedures; and a commitment to hiring diverse leadership to pre-empt the possibility of replicating the predatory culture from the first presidential campaign.
The signees range from field organizers to some of the top officials on the 2016 campaign, according to multiple people involved in the effort. Some of the signees do not expect to join any 2020 campaign, while others are open to joining a potential Sanders 2020 bid.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014
And clearly Sanders believes harrassment to be a very pressing issue for Senators:
Wednesday, December 6, 2017
WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement on Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.):
"Sen. Franken has said that he will be making an announcement about his political future tomorrow. The right thing is for him to resign. We are now at a crossroads in American culture. And it is an important one. The way we treat women in our country has been abysmal in almost every way. We are finally addressing the issue of sexual harassment, and we need to get it right. But the conversation we are having now is only the tip of the iceberg. It needs to be an ongoing movement of women and men that includes a national discussion about sexism, sexual harassment, objectification, inequality and abuse of power."
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-franken
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)Bernie Bros were created by the Russians.
Jesus H., Democrats are very good at eating our own.
I like Tulsi Gabbards and she doesn't have a prayer because Democrats already ate her.
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)yardwork
(61,794 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Pence was left off of transition emails that he should have been included on.
Does that make it "better" or "worse" than if he knew what was going on?
Sanders insists on signing off on every email that goes out. He's a known micromanager. I'm not sure why he wouldn't have known about larger issues such as this going on.
TERRY BOURICIUS, A LONGTIME SANDERS ALLY
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Cha
(298,077 posts)knowing anything about it?
SixString
(1,057 posts)Mahalo for the laugh.
George II
(67,782 posts)trueblue2007
(17,250 posts)obamanut2012
(26,188 posts)It is literally what the GOP does -- mention something Trump has done, and it becomes BUT HILLARY BUT WARREN BUT WHOMEVER.
Maven
(10,533 posts)He was too busy to know what was going on?
Cha
(298,077 posts)Not for everybody it doesn't.
4now
(1,596 posts)Cha
(298,077 posts)onit2day
(1,201 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)how the word never made it up the chain of command.
I don't care how busy he was. Someone at the top should have dealt with this AND informed him. Somehow, he gave them the impression that they shouldn't bother him with stuff like this.
4now
(1,596 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to know about, then it appears to be an excuse.
Sanders is known for being very, very hands on with his campaigns.
The number of staffers who have come forward makes one wonder why he didn't know this was such a problem.
Perhaps you have another ugly, false accusation to repeat verbatim about HRC to use as an "illustration" of how "hateful" people can be about Sanders?
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)none of the complaints were deemed important enough to get attention at the top?
bluedigger
(17,091 posts)It's so much easier.
Cha
(298,077 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Cha
(298,077 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Cha
Cha
(298,077 posts)flea
brush
(53,978 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Some have already decided and theres no point in allowing for anything beyond what they already know to be facts despite not being there.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)sadly...not so good. she was well-informed about it, but did nothing.
NY Times: Hillary Clinton Chose to Shield a Top Adviser Accused of Harassment in 2008
WASHINGTON A senior adviser to Hillary Clintons 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clintons request, according to four people familiar with what took place.
Mrs. Clintons campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.html
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Cha
(298,077 posts)what was going on and dealt with it.
irresistable
(989 posts)would you have accepted that answer from Bernie?
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)she knew and handled it. And no matter how much of this you all report...does't change the facts in Sen Sander's case...and many women are already on the fence concerning Sen. Sanders so this is going to leave a mark. I personally hope he does not run He is a good Senator and with a GOP governor in Vermont...we would lose a senate seat.
karynnj
(59,511 posts)I assume in the unlikely event Sanders is the nominee, a Democrat would be elected.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)karynnj
(59,511 posts)Vermont has 2 year terms. Phil Scott won in 2016 and, as I have been told by many people, any new governor will get a second term. In 2018, VT elected a veto proof Democratic legislature.
The lowest approval of Trump in the nation is Vermont's. My point is that - assuming the Democrats have a competitive candidate for governor, if it is Sanders vs Trump, that will be a consideration that would favor the Democrat.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)karynnj
(59,511 posts)legislature, they can change the process like MA did in 2004. (better yet, change it to what MA did when Kenendy died - immediately start a special election, but allow the governor a temporary assignment - who in the case of someone winning the Presidency, would mean the election is called in early November -- leading to someone getting the position within months of the previous Senator becoming President.
Another possiblity would be to ask Sanders to resign as of the date he would be elected - early enough to have primaries in August - as in the norm - and the election in November.
Cha
(298,077 posts)stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Even when they are known for micromanaging everything else....
mcar
(42,474 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Always.
George II
(67,782 posts)...was satisfied with the resolution. It was addressed when it came up. It was ten years ago and it wasn't kept a secret.
What we're talking about here are at least twenty four victims four years ago, which we didn't hear about until just recently.
I can't believe people are bringing up that one situation way back then and comparing it to what has been characterized as "predatory culture" in the campaign.
PLUS, lost in the shuffle is the blatant income inequality in the campaign. Income inequality is the FIRST issue discussed on Sanders' website:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Excerpts:
The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.
Fighting for pay equity by signing the Paycheck Fairness Act into law. It is an outrage that women earn just 78 cents for every dollar a man earns*.
*From what we see in that letter from the 24 staffers, women earn just FIFTY cents for every dollar a man earns!
GreydeeThos
(958 posts)The powers that be are going to select the candidate for us no matter what the voters want.
RandiFan1290
(6,261 posts)that one day they will have to pay their fair share.
brooklynite
(95,007 posts)Almost every Democrat will be running on a progressive platform, and Sanders' track record isn't any more accomplished than his likely opponents.
Cha
(298,077 posts)they're the ones who brought this to light.
GreydeeThos
(958 posts)'Brought to light' right after there were exploratory committees formed by other people who are seeking the nomination. This is just a coincidence - nothing to see here.
Cha
(298,077 posts)sheshe2
(84,070 posts)lapucelle
(18,411 posts)obamanut2012
(26,188 posts)So, the women who were harassed are lying?
GreydeeThos
(958 posts)I am pointing out that after two years, these accusations are leveled right after several people state they will seek the nomination. It sure looks to me like someone on the professional left is attempting to control who is considered as a viable candidate.
lapucelle
(18,411 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What are you even talking about?
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #57)
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brooklynite
(95,007 posts)GreydeeThos
(958 posts)It does look like this information was researched and held in reserve until it could be used to best effect.
brooklynite
(95,007 posts)lapucelle
(18,411 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Some of whom were senior staff.
How do propose moles got in to senior staff positions?
This isn't making sense.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Who are those "powers that be" who select the Democratic candidate?
GreydeeThos
(958 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That they are simply sheep who will say whatever someone tells them to?
That they were moles to begin with, and are now working to take him down?
That whoever hired them was a mole? Or had no clue who they were hiring?
This makes no sense at all.
Cha
(298,077 posts)a ridiculous accusation?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(25,815 posts)Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Booker and Biden are diabolically scheming behind the scenes to stop Bernie because they are TERRIFIED Bernie will run and force Democrats to do something progressive. Yeah, that's the ticket!
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)favor Joe Biden.
GreydeeThos
(958 posts)I choose to give my support from information gained by research of issues and policy.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Are they the same "political operatives" you say have organized and convinced the 2016 campaign staff to ask for a meeting with Sanders?
obamanut2012
(26,188 posts)THIS is Bernie's defense??? In the #metoo era, this is his defense???
I don't know whether to laugh hysterically at this answer or rage spit.
Neither a legal nor ethical defense.
Shame.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,034 posts)tried and true knee jerk reactions. Come on, don't we know better by now?
Republicans and Putin sewing discord are not our friends.
ms liberty
(8,629 posts)When the people who like Bernie are going to realize they're being played and let these baiting pieces sink, and when the people who hate Bernie are going to realize they're being played and let these baiting pieces sink. Judging by this thread, the twelfth of never would be the answer.
brooklynite
(95,007 posts)ms liberty
(8,629 posts)But that wasn't actually the point of my post. I would refer you to the body of my reply, rather than the title.
lapucelle
(18,411 posts)are all reporting the story.
ms liberty
(8,629 posts)written at 1:32 this afternoon in answer to brooklynite's nearly identical comment.
lapucelle
(18,411 posts)They are reporting news. I'm not sure why someone would dismiss a news story as a "baiting piece".
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ms liberty
(8,629 posts)Feom what I have read about this, I would guess that their claims are true based soley on my experience as a woman; this kind of shit has been happening for as long as I can remember and I'm in my 50's. I've personally experienced enough of it that I know the ring of truth when I hear it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You wrote:
The staffers are the ones who made these claims - yet you call any of the various news orgs reporting on it "baiting" and anyone who reads or indicates that they believe the staffers, is "being played."
The staffers are the source of this story - and you are claiming that the story is nefarious in intent.
And the story isn't new:
https://medium.com/mashamendieta/the-secret-sexism-of-arturo-carmona-candidate-for-cd34-a31173f21350
Can you clarify?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And no, not just the Hill.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)No surprise.
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Cha
(298,077 posts)That half-hearted apology he throws in is the 1st any of us female staff have heard out of him in the 2 years since we brought this to his attention in early 2017, tweeted Masha Mendieta, who repeatedly has alleged that Sanders knew about the problem.
Im not quite sure how to put into words how furious I am right now, tweeted Zoey Jordan Salsbury, the former American University Students for Bernie president who spoke to HuffPost about her experiences in November 2017.
I didnt feel like I was not treated appropriately, Salsbury told me Thursday in an email. I wasnt. There is no subjectiveness to this.
His apology sounded like a classic non-apology that so many women know all too well, she added. And it only came after he mentioned how many states he had won. ... I wish I had gotten a true apology a year ago, when I came forward. Instead I got a call from a lawyer who blamed me for being harassed.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-bernie-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment-2016-2020_us_5c2e50cce4b08aaf7a975068?fbclid=IwAR37gfnsQ112A8zUb4v9EjYuXUdNyECDX1x_uXCDGWyD3mM2IV1
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11621545
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)manager, but he is always his own campaign manager, said Terry Bouricius, a longtime Sanders ally and former aide who served in the Vermont House of Representatives. Sanders wants to approve every single everything, Bouricius added, so its a bigger change of gears for him than it is for most people.
Terry Bouricus, Long time Sanders Ally
watoos
(7,142 posts)I fear that AOC will be next.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)1. This was already dealt with
2. The timing is suspicious
3. Hillary did it too
4. Kamala Harris did it too
5. People are just scared of Bernie
6. The Russians are behind this
Cha
(298,077 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Especially if one wasn't aware of it...
getagrip_already
(14,980 posts)It's clear from recent actions, all of which bs claims he didn't know anything about.
So who is running his campaign?
vlyons
(10,252 posts)that pervades all of human society in every culture. It occurs in every religion, in the work place, in our schools, in our families. Having said that, it is incumbent upon every person running for office to establish some sort of structure that clearly communicates sexual harassment will not be tolerated, and if proven, will be immediately dismissed and possibly referred to the police for investigation and prosecution. Each candidate needs to establish a method in which victims can safely voice a complaint. This is not rocket science.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and her staffers didn't feel a need to meet with her 2016 campaign staff so it didn't happen again.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."dozens" from one campaign.
DarthDem
(5,258 posts)Can't entities who live under bridges in certain nations do something about this??
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Bernie didnt know? There were stories about how Bernies campaign was encouraging women to campaign using Tinder for goodness sakes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSMTZSAPEC2533E5RP
(Reuters) - Stumping for Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Tinder is getting some women banned from the online dating app after sending campaign messages to prospective matches.
Two women - one from Iowa and the other from New Jersey - confirmed to Reuters on Friday that they received notices from Tinder in the previous 24 hours that their accounts were locked because they had been reported too many times for peppering men on the site with messages promoting Sanders' candidacy.
Robyn Gedrich, 23, said she sent messages to 60 people a day for the past two weeks trying to convince them to support the U.S. senator from Vermont in his race for the Democratic nomination against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
FrankBooth
(1,610 posts)... that there was harassment on my campaign" an excuse anyone here would accept from a GOP candidate, or any other candidate for that matter?
I don't believe so.
samnsara
(17,665 posts)..behaving in just this way. How could someone NOT know?
dlk
(11,606 posts)Gothmog
(145,965 posts)I know one of the sanders supporters who was named in the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html
I dont think he has to be the vehicle or the platform for the movement that emerged from his campaign, said Sarah Slamen, who worked for the campaign in Texas, was the state coordinator in Louisiana and helped build out Our Revolution, a progressive organization born from Mr. Sanderss presidential campaign.
Do you know how hard that is for me to say after working so hard for him? she said.
Ms. Slamen quit the organization at the end of 2016 after she said she was berated by a male member of the Our Revolution steering committee for suggesting an organizing plan. In emails reviewed by The Times, she raised issues about sexist behavior with committee members who saw the incident and Our Revolutions national board of directors. She said she received no reassurance that anything would change.
I gave Sarah a sanders sign that I brought back from the convention.