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fleur-de-lisa

(14,629 posts)
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:21 PM Jan 2019

Elizabeth Warren to propose new 'wealth tax' on very rich Americans, economist says

Source: Washington Post

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will propose a new annual “wealth tax” on Americans with more than $50 million in assets, according to an economist advising her on the plan, as Democratic leaders vie for increasingly aggressive solutions to the nation’s soaring wealth inequality.

Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, two left-leaning economists at the University of California, Berkeley, have been advising Warren on a proposal to levy a 2 percent wealth tax on Americans with assets above $50 million, as well as a 3 percent wealth tax on those who have more than $1 billion, according to Saez.

The wealth tax would raise $2.75 trillion over a ten-year period from about 75,000 families, or less than 0.1 percent of U.S. households, Saez said.

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“The Warren wealth tax is pretty big. We think it could have a significant affect on wealth concentration in the long run,” Saez said in an interview. “This is a very interesting development with deep root causes: the fact inequality has been increasing so much, particularly in wealth, and the feeling our current tax system doesn’t do a very good job taxing the very richest people.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/24/elizabeth-warren-propose-new-wealth-tax-very-rich-americans-economist-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.61429d9958fe

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Elizabeth Warren to propose new 'wealth tax' on very rich Americans, economist says (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 OP
It's about ttime. When the Dolt rants against it when can play his tapes dupporting it. n/t. Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #1
Wish we could have zentrum Jan 2019 #2
I don't think it's too much to ask TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #4
warren/brown is where i am leaning...ohio could make all the difference questionseverything Jan 2019 #35
About time. Ohiogal Jan 2019 #3
It would be missed by cash poor, up to their eyeballs in debt TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #8
After a certain point, what the hell does one even do with all that money? Still In Wisconsin Jan 2019 #5
A person with $1 Billion in the bank TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #9
It's not about spending, it is about power and at140 Jan 2019 #12
And that's the problem TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #21
I agree... at140 Jan 2019 #23
Cue the whining billionaires not fooled Jan 2019 #6
You mean it's not trickling down? ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #7
She needs super rich guys like Buffett and Steyer and Oprah to endorse this. Funtatlaguy Jan 2019 #10
That seems unlikely... at140 Jan 2019 #11
Depends on how it's done spinbaby Jan 2019 #13
Dems won't sign a bill like that. Especially now that so many are woke. JudyM Jan 2019 #15
I think it's too tepid True Dough Jan 2019 #14
The ultra wealthy would be wise to support this because if they don't I predict what will happen cstanleytech Jan 2019 #16
Eat the rich! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2019 #17
Hopefully this is something that Americans will embrace oberliner Jan 2019 #18
I hope it is 2% on ASSET value not income Optical.Catalyst Jan 2019 #19
It says "wealth." Igel Jan 2019 #30
Now THIS is interesting MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #20
Since it is taxed each and every year, it will start to have a real impact over time MichMan Jan 2019 #22
But since their wealth has been growing faster TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #24
A reasonable return on investment quaker bill Jan 2019 #25
Inflation should be figured in also, I think. Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #36
Common sense WAY over due but over due because of the uphill battle Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #26
My first thought is that this sounds good. David__77 Jan 2019 #27
Truthfully, a Tax This High Wouldn't Impact their Lifestyles in the Slightest dlk Jan 2019 #28
right on Kurt V. Jan 2019 #29
ABOVE 50 MILLION? WHAT ABOUT 10 MILLION!! pangaia Jan 2019 #31
Make sure she tells donnie dumbshit louis-t Jan 2019 #32
Go back to taxation of the Eisenhower years of 91%. YOHABLO Jan 2019 #33
On assets? MichMan Jan 2019 #34

TexasBushwhacker

(20,256 posts)
4. I don't think it's too much to ask
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jan 2019

But I'm not sure it's a winning ticket. I would prefer someone who can pull in some independent voters. Warren and Harris are both from deep blue states. I think Beto O'Rourke, Sherrod Brown and Amy Klobuchar comebined with someone further left like Harris, Warren or even Sanders could be a winner. What I DO NOT want is 2 old white men (and I'm an old white woman).

Ohiogal

(32,200 posts)
3. About time.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jan 2019

I am getting so sick and tired of listening to the 1%-ers whining about how they pay too much in taxes (and the GOP feeling so sorry for them).

That small amount proposed by Liz Warren wouldn't even be missed by most of them.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,256 posts)
8. It would be missed by cash poor, up to their eyeballs in debt
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:48 PM
Jan 2019

"Billionaires" like Trump.

But I would love to hear an uber wealthy person's argument against this, when faced with the fact that we have millions living in poverty, millions more living paycheck to paycheck, millions still without health insurance, our infrastructure crumbling on top of us, etc. To those people who say the uber wealthy will start leaving the US, I say LET THEM. Most aren't pulling their weight anyway.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,256 posts)
9. A person with $1 Billion in the bank
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jan 2019

Can spend $27K every day for 100 years and still not go broke. Wrap your head around that for a minute.

at140

(6,110 posts)
12. It's not about spending, it is about power and
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:06 PM
Jan 2019

adulation and attention they receive from people who work for them.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,256 posts)
21. And that's the problem
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:28 PM
Jan 2019

They hoard money rather than sharing their wealth, whether it's paying their employees well, spending it or even donating it to good causes. The concentration of wealth in the hands of the few is twrrible for the economy as a whole. That's why high taxes for the very wealthy make good economic sense.

at140

(6,110 posts)
23. I agree...
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:48 PM
Jan 2019

Individuals with too much wealth, Corporations too big to fail, autocratic gov't who do not care about ordinary folks...all no good.

not fooled

(5,807 posts)
6. Cue the whining billionaires
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 03:43 PM
Jan 2019

in 3...2...1...



I listen to a financial squawk and they covered this story. Hahahahaha any idea to slow the looting freaks 'em all out. Senator Warren has 'em running scared.

spinbaby

(15,095 posts)
13. Depends on how it's done
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 04:19 PM
Jan 2019

By the time the lobbyists get done, I’m more than half afraid that we’ll have a tax that hits middle-class retirement savings while billionaires get convenient loopholes.

cstanleytech

(26,364 posts)
16. The ultra wealthy would be wise to support this because if they don't I predict what will happen
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 05:03 PM
Jan 2019

to them down the road could very well make what happened during the French Revolution look like a tea party in comparison.

Optical.Catalyst

(1,355 posts)
19. I hope it is 2% on ASSET value not income
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jan 2019

People who are billionaires on paper due to excessive debt will be forced to get their finances into the black. This can only benefit the strength of the country's economy.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
30. It says "wealth."
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:26 PM
Jan 2019

That's wealth, not income.

And debt would probably reduce assets, like expenses reduce income.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
20. Now THIS is interesting
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 06:41 PM
Jan 2019

It's actual redistribution.

I've never actually understood why Democrats were big proponents of high income tax -- really rich people don't have income.

Rockerfeller (the original) liked the income tax as (and this is pretty much a direct quote) "it will keep the Jews and the Irish out of the country club."

And it's true. The people who pay the bulk of the income tax are upper middle class.

MichMan

(12,002 posts)
22. Since it is taxed each and every year, it will start to have a real impact over time
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jan 2019

2% doesn't sound like much, but since it is taxed each and every year, it will begin to have a real impact.

in 10 years, it will equal 20%, in 20 years, 40% of all assets including houses, stock ownings, and retirement holdings.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,256 posts)
24. But since their wealth has been growing faster
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:04 PM
Jan 2019

than 2%, then will still be wealthier every year. For example, the wealth of the Forbes 400 went up 18% in 2018. So a 2% hit every year is modest.

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/#75018bf8251c

quaker bill

(8,225 posts)
25. A reasonable return on investment
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:09 PM
Jan 2019

for a portfolio of that size is 7 percent or more a year. A 2% tax will only slow the growth of wealth, even 3 percent will not stall the growth of wealth. I am a trustee for a charitable endowment that has a relatively small pile of cash compared to this. We can give 4% away every year literally forever, and the 4% will only get bigger over time. The larger Charitable Foundations, established under current tax law, are required to give 5% away every year, and should be able to do that forever.

My point is that 2% is a nice pile of $, the tax will help and should be done, but a solution to wealth disparity it is not.

Scruffy1

(3,257 posts)
36. Inflation should be figured in also, I think.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:20 AM
Jan 2019

Over the last 20 tears it has averaged about 2% per year. This would reduce the return to 5%. Another 2% would give a real return of 3%. It is proably not going to have a great impact on the very rich. If you are worth one billion you would have to pay 20 million, less than the price of a private jet. I think it would be great for the treasury. The details are going to get pretty strange, but then most financial things get complicated.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,151 posts)
26. Common sense WAY over due but over due because of the uphill battle
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jan 2019

against MORONS who think this will hurt them when they are rich.

David__77

(23,637 posts)
27. My first thought is that this sounds good.
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:16 PM
Jan 2019

This could impact the Gini coefficient (see https://www.chartbookofeconomicinequality.com/inequality-by-country/usa/), which is a measure of economic polarization in society. I could see this reducing polarization so to levels more comparable to the 1950-1980 time period.

louis-t

(23,315 posts)
32. Make sure she tells donnie dumbshit
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 08:35 PM
Jan 2019

it won't affect him because we know he's been lying about his income for years.

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