Venezuela crisis: US pulls out staff and tells citizens to 'strongly consider' leaving
Source: The Guardian
Venezuela crisis: US pulls out staff and tells citizens to 'strongly consider' leaving
Tom Phillips Latin America correspondent and Julian Borger in Washington
Fri 25 Jan 2019 00.05 GMT First published on Thu 24 Jan 2019 16.10 GMT
The US state department has urged its citizens to strongly consider leaving Venezuela and ordered out non-emergency government staff as the head of the countrys armed forces warned of a civil war sparked by a US-backed criminal plan to unseat Nicolás Maduro.
In a live address to the nation on Thursday, the defence minister, Vladimir Padrino, accused the Venezuelan opposition led by Juan Guaidó, the United States and regional allies such as Brazil of launching an attempted coup against Maduro that risked bringing chaos and anarchy to the country.
(snip)
The US initially ignored the Maduro governments order expelling embassy staff, but late on Thursday the state department announced it was withdrawing non-emergency US government employees.
We are prepared to do the things we need to do to make sure we keep our people safe, a state department spokesperson said. The full range of United States government resources are at the ready to ensure the safety and security of US diplomats and their families.
(snip)
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/24/venezuela-maduro-guaido-defense-minister-civil-war
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Rookie mistake on Trump's part there. Don't back the usurper until he's usurped. Unfortunately we just probably cemented Maduro in power for another decade.
FBaggins
(26,789 posts)He (along with virtually every country in the hemisphere) is likely hoping that their quick backing is one of the few things that might make the switch back to democracy possible.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Not trying to be snide but do you really believe Trump and his administration are paying anything more than lip-service to democracy in Venezuela? If Trump can install a Bolsonaro or Pinochet clone they will most certainly do so.
I think the Donald may have gotten a call from Vlad. Hence, the change in plans.
Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)If we don't like the Russian involvement in our politics, why are we doing the same thing to another country?
By the way, you know if fat Traitor Trump is involved in overthrowing a foreign country's ELECTED government, it's going to go horribly wrong no matter how much money foreign capitalist throw at it.
FBaggins
(26,789 posts)The UN, EU, OAS (etc.) all say that the "election" was illegitimate and anti-democratic. Venezuela lost anything approaching an elected government when the dictator dissolved the elected legislature and effectively took control of all three branches of government.
The countries that agree with you are limited to Cuba, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Syria...
Notice a pattern?
Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)Why would he allow Traitor Trump to fund the opposition during his entire term and attempt to set up a coup? If you let you puppet destroy something, you obviously don't care for it.
No, I think Russia, or at least it's mob boss, has something to gain by disrupting Venezuela.
As for organizations declaring Venezuelan elections unfair, US propaganda and funding goes very deep. Do you think they could have orchestrated a coup if they didn't get some organizations to declare it unfair?
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Are you sayings Maduro didn't form his own illegal Congress when he lost control of the real elected one?
That he didn't stuff the Judiciary with his own yes-men?
That he didn't jail popular opposition leaders?
That he didn't move up the election date to throw off the opposition?
That he hasn't ruined their economy?
That inflation isn't over a MILLLION %?
That 3 million Venezuelans have fled the country?
All propaganda?
Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)And the propaganda against the current socialist government in Venezuela is very deep, very prolific and very wrong.
The uber rich oligarchs were very upset when Chavez dethroned them. They have been constantly spinning their web of lies ever since. Just like Little putin did for Traitor trump, these oligarchs have done for the opposition. But it is a tough con and unlike US voters, they are more savvy about manipulation.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Are you sayings Maduro didn't form his own illegal Congress when he lost control of the real elected one?
That he didn't stuff the Judiciary with his own yes-men?
That he didn't jail popular opposition leaders?
That he didn't move up the election date to throw off the opposition?
That he hasn't ruined their economy?
That inflation isn't over a MILLLION %?
That 3 million Venezuelans have fled the country?
Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelans-report-big-weight-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA
Perseus
(4,341 posts)If you ask the people from Venezuela about a USA intervention they will tell you that the USA is six late, the Venezuelan people DO want the USA to help, why the USA allowed the Chavez regime to flourish is still a big puzzle.
1. Chavez was being lead by Fidel Castro whose goal was to "bring socialism" (communism and repression) to all South America.
Why is it that the USA did nothing? Because GW and his boss Cheney had the PNC plans which did not include S. America at the time.
2. Thanks to lack of intervention, the Cuban communism has spread in many parts of S. America, giving Putin a free platform.
3. The Chavez/Maduro communism/dictatorship has been repressive, has broken all laws pertaining to human rights, has lined up their and the military pockets creating billionaires of all of them amd leaving the country to suffer by ignoring infrastructure, etc.
So ask Venezuelans if they want the USA to intervene, and 75% of the population will say "yes, please".
Bush was incompetent, but why Obama did not do anything is a puzzle...If Putin gets hold of S. America, it will be catastrophic for the USA, and the World.
Please read about the situation in Venezuela to help make a criteria of what needs to happen there. Yes, it is unfortunate that trump is in the WH at this time, but lets hope the few "adults in the room" make the right decisions to clean up S. America, we don't want Putin to use it as his playing ground.
Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)So, if the people love the US and Traitor Trump setting up a dictator for them and organizing a coup in their country why don't they simply vote him out? None of the agencies have declared the election was totally illegitimate. They just claimed it was unfair. This is from a very scathing review of the last election by WAPO:
"In short, what happened Sunday scarcely resembled a free and fair election. But neither was it an Azerbaijan-style farce with the announced results entirely disconnected from the underlying votes cast. Venezuelas election system contains relatively robust checks that would leave clear evidence in the oppositions hands if that happened. As far as we can tell, it didnt. Out of the 10,800,016 votes cast, 54 percent really did go to the government. (And turnout, at 61 percent, was relatively high.)"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/10/17/venezuelas-democracy-is-fake-but-the-governments-latest-election-win-was-real/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2bcf660f2e04
Yes, I know many of the uber rich oligarchs are quite upset with their socialist country but they don't seem to have enough votes among them to vote him out. Much like US elections, meddling, propaganda and intimidation are common political tools. But someone voted for Maduro and they won. Election have consequences and it isn't the US's responsibility to put in pro US dictators every time a country goes socialist.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Prior to the elections, the Lima Group, with its participating nations of Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, and Saint Lucia, stated that they would not recognize the results of the presidential elections due to the perceived lack of transparency.
The European Union, through the European Parliament, also ruled that it would not recognize the 20 May elections and called the electoral process "fraudulent". On 3 May 2018, the European Parliament again called for the immediate suspension of the 20 May election until "free and fair elections were held on a schedule agreed upon with the participation of all relevant actors and political parties"
The governments of Argentina,[161] Canada,[162] Chile,[163] Colombia,[151] Costa Rica,[164] France,[165] Jamaica,[166] Panama,[167] Paraguay,[168] Spain,[169] the United States[160] and Uruguay[170] directly criticized the electoral process in various ways, condemning the disqualification and imprisonment of MUD individuals, the lack of advanced notice for the election date and the bias of electoral bodies, describing such actions by the Venezuelan government antidemocratic.[171][172] Remaining member governments representing countries from the Lima Group, including Brazil, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Mexico, Peru, and Saint Lucia, denounced the elections in a joint statement through declarations made by the organization.[151]
Meanwhile, the governments of Antigua and Barbuda,[173] Bolivia,[174] Cuba,[175][176] Nicaragua,[177] North Korea[178] and Russia[179][180] reacted to the call for elections positively, showing support for the process and demanded that there be no intervention.
Well if N Korea and Russia say it was fair it must be so, right? lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election#International
Perseus
(4,341 posts)That is the reality...
We have to be very concerned, Putin has his hands in Venezuela, he wants to get as close as he can to the USA and Venezuela is a great place to do it. Venezuela was always a dream for Fidel Castro, he tried it once many years ago but the government that was at the time threw them out of the country, and then he found Chavez, that was his lottery winning number.
Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)It goes unchallenged day after day. Good people buy into it and soon a lie becomes the truth.
Just like the right constantly trashed Obama and Hillary, so that birth certificate and e mails embroiled a whole state and became a Senate issue. The uber rich oligarchs own the media and will use it to the detriment of the country.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)I don't think you know enough to make a sound judgement.
I have family and friends who live in Venezuela, they are not oligarchs, like you like to call them. The new "oligarchs" are the chavistas, and maduro's families, and all the corrupt politicians and military there.
Here, get a taste of Diosdado Cabello's house in Caracas at the prestigious "Country Club"
]https://www.google.com/search?q=la+casa+de+diosdado+cabello+el+country&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS818US818&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=vrmJ_vJYfte6yM%253A%252CSWSQQXZKLkGALM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSrbXuS2g0TnncxhWT53lST5YsSEw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjn25jR2ongAhUSQ6wKHSHrCdMQ9QEwAHoECAAQBA#imgrc=vrmJ_vJYfte6yM:
At the link you can see how the "Socialists" enjoy like in their yachts, with 'Cartier' watches, fancy cars (Lamborghini, etc.), at Sea World in the "Empire" they so much claim to hate, etc...
Judi Lynn
(160,672 posts)is a close personal friend, and fishing buddy, of George H. W. Bush over decades, a Cuban "exile" who relocated to Venezuela, is also a major owner of Univision right here in the US where he's also hard at work molding public perception for the hard right greedy oligarchs. Wildly corrupt, completely disgusting.
He is considered "Venezuela's Richard Murdoch", good old Gustavo Cisneros.
He was one of those who helped plan the coup against Hugo Chavez, and flew immediately after their coup collapsed due to the public's extreme resistance, to meet with George H. W. Bush in a resort in the D.R., the resort being owned by the Fanjuls, the sugar-baron "exiles" (Cuban) who relocated there from South Florida, where they own sugar plantations.
Sordid, vile, vulgar, and totally dirty people. Sure people like him have ALWAYS owned businesses and politicians throughout the Americas, and kept fast friendships/mutually beneficial relationships with U.S. American industrialists and politicians.
It takes a totally corrupted person to keep trying to do their propaganda work for them by attacking the vast multitude of oppressed poor, the working class of the Americas, kept unnaturally poor by the greedy elites.
Have appreciated your comments. Thank you.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)And maybe you ought to look into freedom of the press in Venz.
Human Rights Watch said that during "the leadership of President Chávez and now President Maduro, the accumulation of power in the executive branch and the erosion of human rights guarantees have enabled the government to intimidate, censor, and prosecute its critics" and reported that broadcasters may be censored if they criticize the government.[4][5]
Reporters Without Borders said that the media in Venezuela is "almost entirely dominated by the government and its obligatory announcements, called cadenas
According to the National Sindicate of Press Workers of Venezuela, 115 media outlets have been shut down between 2013 and 2018 during Nicolás Maduro's government, including 41 printed means, 65 radio outlets and 9 television channels.
Let me guess, Human Rights Watch & Reporters Without Borders in on the right wing plot you imagine against Venz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Venezuela
Judi Lynn
(160,672 posts)🇨🇺 Miami Red ☭
@Miami_Rebelde
Replying to
@SenSanders
Actually, none of the observers that went there, including the UN, said that the elections were fraudulent. It was the US who sent no observers and the Opposition who refused to participate who claimed that. As a matter of fact, the Opposition begged the UN not to send observers
6:00 PM · Jan 24, 2019
https://mobile.twitter.com/Miami_Rebelde/status/1088587437318815744?fbclid=IwAR0wqqaatt8XYvVm7dPCF4YdRQkjdToldDiplNzzR0D7qi6kQeiqYUEa6fo
Who didn't know this some time ago, anyway? Unbelievable.
To try to insist people buy the opposite of the truth is a tall order, and not a worthy way to spend one's one and only life.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Much better source then the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, who said:
the election "does not in any way fulfill minimal conditions for free and credible elections" .
To try to insist people buy the opposite of the truth is a tall order And yet you keep at it.
Judi Lynn
(160,672 posts)The information it contains has already been read repeatedly since originally published in other sources, of course.
You're not getting any traction with that attempt to mock me.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Capriles won in the last election but the cheating happened. The CNE is controlled by the government and they even had trouble justifying the numbers.
Not sure if you understand, or just trolling on behalf of the maduro government, but the regime in Venezuela is a dictatorship, they control the legislative and everything else, the woman who has been the head of the CNE is part of the government, they are all getting rich by robbing the country, so they don't want to let go. Also, they (maduro, diosdado cabello, padrino, etc.) are all involved in narco traffic, kidnapping, money laundering, etc. they cannot leave the country because they will be apprehended...Are you aware of all these?
As I always tell people who may not live there or who might have never visited Venezuela, go and see for yourself, if you are lucky enough to get back alive, tell us about it.
If you look at pictures at the voting places you will find out that they were empty, the numbers are all made up, I have not read the article in your link, but not sure why the Washington post would claim something like that.
I have lived in Venezuela, I know how things are there first hand.
Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)Geez what other propaganda do you subscribe to?
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)...or listen to the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein stated that the election "does not in any way fulfill minimal conditions for free and credible elections"
Ace Rothstein
(3,200 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)Like the US bought the Russian propaganda.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Particularly given that Russia just got a shit ton of oil and a warm-water submarine port (and probably a nuke platform)
Doesn't change the fact that by jumping in with both feet immediately we botched this. Timing is everything.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)The same as Fidel Castro's wet dream was to take on Venezuela, Putin's is to take on the USA, he wants to be remembered as "Vladimir The Great", and for him to do that he must own the USA, Venezuela represents a great bridge for him.
As Castro did by getting a puppet in Venezuela, and lets be clear that the moment Chavez decided to do things on his own is the moment Castro decided to get rid of him. Chavez was an idealist, in his crooked way I think he wanted to do good things for Venezuela, he just surrounded himself with crooks, including Castro. Well, Putin found his idiot in trump, and if the USA military, and intelligence agencies do not wake up, Putin will do the same in the USA.
For those who think it cannot happen here, please believe that it can. We are in trouble right now, if trump stays in power things are going to get really bad, the same with some of the republican crooks, they need to be outed.
Farmer-Rick
(10,240 posts)How about Russia supporting a coup in the US? You like that idea too? I'm sure Traitor Trump will support that grand idea too.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Where did you get that idea?
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)The Monroe-Doctrine mindset in regards to the Americas needs to disappear.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelans-report-big-weight-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)with 40lbs they would have!
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Price controls during rampant inflation making the shelves bare...check
Over printing money causing the million % inflation...check
Ridiculous multi-level currency controls ensuring no dollars to buy imports...check
Confiscation of foreign property driving off investment...check
Firing competent oil workers and substituting lackeys, ensuring oil production drops...check
Failing to diversify the economy from oil...check
Failing to invest in electrical infrastructure resulting in rolling blackouts...check
Pricing gas so low it's all black marketed to neighboring countries...check
I could go on if you like...
Which of those winning policies were done by "R/W fascists" exactly?
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)butt.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)I guess the whole country decided to go on a year long fast at the same time, and go live in another country for the fun of it.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Also why have quit a few of the x-patriots have been seen at Fort Benning.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)And a million+ inflation?
Hard to believe.
FBaggins
(26,789 posts)Why would anyone want to go there if they didn't have to?
haele
(12,693 posts)- Oil and construction advisors or workers. Oil is still big business.
- Environmentalists. Venezuela has a wealth of area that is still somewhat unexplored.
- U.S. citizens who are just "kicking around" looking for interesting places to be. Venezuela has a rich cultural heritage; our family is friends with a San Diego-born and based rapper who spends a lot of time in Chile, Venezuela, Argentina, and the 'gauys working and recording with local groups in those locations.
- Journalists and students there for the history or current affairs.
- Aid workers providing education, medical, and other community services work who are Americans.
- U.S. citizens who support the regime.
- and finally, U.S. Citizens with family still in Venezuela who might be there to take care of ailing relatives or a family business.
Americans are everywhere in the world for various reasons. Just because a country is an economic "shithole" in the government's mind doesn't mean that U.S. citizens aren't there in some numbers for business, curiosity, or heritage.
Haele
FBaggins
(26,789 posts)Venezuela's oil production has been collapsing largely because they can't even keep their own oil workers. Their skills are too valuable, so the workers flee to countries that pay in currency that isn't collapsing due to hyperinflation (Venezuela is starting to look like the Weimar Republic was on the gold standard by comparison). The government-owned oil company can't possibly afford to import US labor.
All versions of tourist/student/it's a lovely country/etc. are true enough... It's a magnificent country in terms of natural beauty... but that suffers from the reality that it isn't a safe country to travel to. Travel advisories are hardly a new thing because of extreme levels of violent crime, decline in even the most basic living conditions (even hotels were rationing toilet paper over a year ago), Zika infections, shortages of food, potable water, medicines, etc... We could go on.
Let's just say that they haven't been a Spring Break destination for some time.
Aid workers also would make sense IF Maduro hadn't rejected them months ago (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/diplomats-urge-venezuela-allow-humanitarian-aid-alleviate-crisis-n907056)
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)You might as well vacation in Syria or Somalia.
Caracas ties for #1 in most dangerous city in the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)it's always good to see what will happen if the Right Wing fasicts take over the country again. The constitution will be dissolved and more than 3/4 of the population will be disenfranchised.
We are getting ready to see neoliberalism economics on steroids, with more blood and deaths than have been seen in decades.
Oil, Rare earth minerals
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelans-report-big-weight-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)have held back most food items, and still he won the election. The population knows if there is a coup they will be on the short end of anything.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)...during rampant inflation...also cause by the govt.
It turns out buying stuff and then being forced to sell it under cost by the govt is a bad long term business plan...who knew?!
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Then you would be wrong....so wrong.
Shortages in Venezuela of regulated food staples and basic necessities have been widespread following the enactment of price controls and other policies under the government of Hugo Chávez[4][5] and exacerbated by the policy of withholding United States dollars from importers under the government of Nicolás Maduro.[6] The severity of the shortages has led to the largest refugee crisis ever recorded in the Americas.[7][8][9] The Bolivarian government's denial of the crisis[10] and its refusal to accept offers of aid from Amnesty International, the United Nations, and other groups has made conditions even worse.[11][12][12][13] The United Nations and the Organization of American States have stated that the shortages have resulted in unnecessary deaths in Venezuela and urged the government to accept humanitarian aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortages_in_Venezuela
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)organization. Nice try though.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Amazingly fact free posts from the maduro supporters.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)EX500rider
(10,891 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)talking. As everyone else just observes.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)EX500rider
(10,891 posts)....and not a blog or Venz. mouthpiece.
Judi Lynn
(160,672 posts)their power, offering plans, offering covert help in so many forms.
Saw this article a short time ago after reading through this thread, and seeing your comments. This excerpt refers to US support, which you've mentioned already:
Resistance Media Side With Trump to Promote Coup in Venezuela
ALAN MACLEOD
. . .
Ignoring the US Role
The Times article also provides the context of the dire economic circumstances the country finds itself in, suggesting that this was the reason people are in the streets, and not in response to Trumps call: Citizens of what was once one of the regions wealthiest nations, endowed with plentiful oil, have starved to death and died from preventable diseases, the piece claimed. It fails to acknowledge the substantial US role in Venezuelas economic and political crisis.
Trump ramped up the Obama administrations sanctions, an action that caused Venezuelan oil production to plummet (FAIR.org, 12/17/18) and the economy to nosedive. Furthermore, US economic warfare against the country has cut Venezuela off from global capital marketswith the Trump administration threatening bankers with 30 years in prison if they negotiate with Caracas a standard restructuring of its debt (AlterNet, 11/13/17). The UN Human Rights Council formally condemned the US, noting that the sanctions target the poor and most vulnerable classes, called on all member states to break them, and even began discussing reparations the US should pay to Venezuela.
The US has long supported regime change in Venezuela, going back at least to the abortive coup against President Hugo Chavez in 2002. It has also spent a fortune through the National Endowment for Democracy and USAID to prop up opposition groups inside the country. Trump recently appointed neocon Iraq War architect John Bolton as national security advisor, who wasted little time in declaring Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua a troika of tyranny, echoing the infamous axis of evil moniker he employed during the Iraq War. Yet this crucial context in understanding the situation is missing from news accounts.
More:
https://fair.org/home/resistance-media-side-with-trump-to-promote-coup-in-venezuela/
Thank you for your posts, so , far, far more valuable than the overly present attempts to mold public perception to support the military/industrial complex.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,672 posts)It would take someone deeply stupid to have never realized it, even without following the history of the rape and pillage of the Americas.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Black, white and brown, the only "oligarchs" are in the upper parts of the govt.
Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelans-report-big-weight-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA
Judi Lynn
(160,672 posts)What about that doesn't make sense?
I took a quick look at good old Andrés Bello Catholic University. Got to see that some graduates there are Venezuela's most extreme oligarchic brats who've barged into Venezuelan politics for the oligarchs, sweet little María Corina Machado, one of the most devious politicians in the world, and ultra-rich cheeseball brat, Henrique Capriles.
Maria, being entertained so long ago, invited to meet Dubya personally,
who has also been handed buttloads of US taxpayers' hard-earned tax
dollars for her dirty little "democratic" "non-profit" organization designed
to scheme their way back into power. Disgusting, treacherous dipstick.
Henrique Capriles, opposition's idea of a Presidential candidate
Entitled, pampered, slimy brat, expected to be handed a country
which has always been massively poor, with ALL the wealth controlled
by European- descended pale racist a-holes, the same people who
used to mock Chavez and call him a "monkey" or "gorilla" and mock
his mannerisms, and dark skin, believing him not to be in any way their
equal.
Some ruling class to worship, apparently, for people with the same morals.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Feel free to check out what Reporters Without Borders and Human Rights Watch has to say about Venz.s current govt...or are they in on the plot also? And the UN...and The EU but hey, you've got Russia, N Korea and Iran on your side so there's that.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Feel free to post some articles from well known news sources that show how rosy thing are in Venz.
How about Human Rights Watch?
Most Venezuelans go to bed hungry or are eating less due to food shortages, and moderate to severe malnutrition of children under 5 increased in 2017. Venezuelas health minister released data last year indicating that, in 2016, maternal mortality increased 65 percent, infant mortality 30 percent, and malaria cases 76 percent.
Mr. Maduros government denies that the humanitarian crisis exists. The truth is that failed government policy has ruined the economy, resulting in hyperinflation and severe shortages, and millions of Venezuelans cannot afford to buy food on the open market. Government-controlled rations are their only option.
Yet instead of allowing government-issued boxes of food to be sold by supermarkets, the Maduro regime has been using the military and its supporters to distribute them. Through this system in which food distribution is controlled by government allies, people who tend to punish government critics the Venezuelan authorities are using hunger as a mechanism of social and political control.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/18/hostages-hunger-venezuela
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)I would like to see the ppl. hold control of the government. Not just rich ppl. in Caracus.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)ripcord
(5,553 posts)It is almost like dealing with Trump supporters.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)Never any facts but lots of buzz words they love like "oligarchs" & "propaganda". Which would be fine if they could ever back up a single allegation.
They by necessity have to pass over and ignore the posts with questions over what horrible current facts about Venz. aren't true.
But yeah, the scary kind of "The End Justifies the Means" people who think Cuba is a vibrant Democracy.