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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:09 PM Feb 2019

Trump Sought a Loan During the 2016 Campaign. Deutsche Bank Said No.

Source: NY Times

Donald J. Trump was burning through cash.

It was early 2016, and he was lending tens of millions of dollars to his presidential campaign and had been spending large sums to expand the Trump Organization’s roster of high-end properties.

To finance his business’s growth, Mr. Trump turned to a longtime ally, Deutsche Bank, one of the few banks still willing to lend money to the man who has called himself “The King of Debt.”

Mr. Trump’s loan request, which has not been previously reported, set off a fight that reached the top of the German bank, according to three people familiar with the request. In the end, Deutsche Bank did something unexpected. It said no.

Senior officials at the bank, including its future chief executive, believed that Mr. Trump’s divisive candidacy made such a loan too risky, the people said. Among their concerns was that if Mr. Trump won the election and then defaulted, Deutsche Bank would have to choose between not collecting on the debt or seizing the assets of the president of the United States.

Two of the people familiar with the loan request said the Trump Organization had been seeking to borrow against its Miami resort to pay for work on a golf property in Turnberry, Scotland.

A Trump Organization spokeswoman, Amanda Miller, denied that the company had needed outside funding for Turnberry.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/business/trump-deutsche-bank.html?action=click&module=Top+Stories&pgtype=Homepage&fbclid=IwAR0tPX4OL62waqb7_JYCZJNozjgE4Mg9x-DD2hC9FZCLPL0attZbrKOXBq0



I'm wondering if he went to Russia for financial help? That would sure explain a lot.
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Trump Sought a Loan During the 2016 Campaign. Deutsche Bank Said No. (Original Post) CatWoman Feb 2019 OP
"They rejected me but I still do business with them" dalton99a Feb 2019 #1
Surprise surprise surprise!! Bank is finally discovering that rump is too toxic for them!! I ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #2
We need the interpreter's notes from the meetings. I'm sure the Russians have amywalk Feb 2019 #18
"Seizing assets of POTUS"...think about that for a minute. NOMOGOP Feb 2019 #3
Well, I don't recall him defaulting anywhere or any financial hardships so he must have... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #4
The same place the NRA got their funding? LiberalFighter Feb 2019 #21
They probably delayed some capital investments. Calista241 Feb 2019 #22
According to this they didn't delay... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #30
Well, they can SAY anything... SergeStorms Feb 2019 #33
Tax returns videohead5 Feb 2019 #5
I wonder if this is going to be able to bump Northam off as the top story on the MSM... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #6
Russians linked to Putin bailed him out, but the price he paid was to give them America. Doodley Feb 2019 #7
Such a small price to pay for Tiny to upgrade his golf course. groundloop Feb 2019 #8
HE's probably broke as a joke duforsure Feb 2019 #9
But he's made a lot of money since in office-we (taxpayers) pay nearly 4 million for each Mar-a-lago iluvtennis Feb 2019 #20
Don't forget his kids TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #23
Exactly. iluvtennis Feb 2019 #32
That's my take too DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #35
Billionaire, my ass. nt Duppers Feb 2019 #10
The only reason he thinks he's a billionaire... SergeStorms Feb 2019 #34
he is and has been living off credit, something the rich can do for decades. yaesu Feb 2019 #11
Well, he was $985 Million in the red in the 90s TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #24
Where does Wilbur Ross and the Bank of Cypris fit in? poli-junkie Feb 2019 #12
You know your credit's in the crapper when a sleazy entity like Deutschbank won't float you a loan. catbyte Feb 2019 #13
Deutsche Bank's regular lending arm hasn't loaned him money in years jmowreader Feb 2019 #28
Trump Is A Real Estate Developer Living A Lavish Lifestyle... TomCADem Feb 2019 #14
And get paid big licensing and management fees TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #25
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #15
A real billionaire wouldn't need a loan. sarcasmo Feb 2019 #16
No, but "real billionaires" take out a lot of them jmowreader Feb 2019 #29
"I'm wondering if he went to Russia for financial help? That would sure explain a lot." Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #17
Because American banks know he's a deadbeat? IronLionZion Feb 2019 #19
He hasn't been able to get loans from American banks for over 20 years n/t TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #26
He went to Russia for financial help CountAllVotes Feb 2019 #27
So, he gets one loan to pay off another loan. world wide wally Feb 2019 #31
Trump's Overleverged and now Proof he "ain't" no billionaire Prof. P.E. Name Feb 2019 #36
Eric Trump: "We have all the funding we need out of Russia" keithbvadu2 Feb 2019 #37

dalton99a

(81,707 posts)
1. "They rejected me but I still do business with them"
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:17 PM
Feb 2019
The same month that Deutsche Bank rejected the loan proposal, Mr. Trump sought to blunt those attacks by citing his warm relationships with Wall Street firms. He singled out Deutsche Bank.

“They are totally happy with me,” he told The New York Times in March 2016. “I do business with them today.”

SWBTATTReg

(22,205 posts)
2. Surprise surprise surprise!! Bank is finally discovering that rump is too toxic for them!! I ...
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:18 PM
Feb 2019

agree w/ you CatWomen, in that I am surprised that rump didn't go running to the Russians for a loan first, or, did he and got turned down?

I seem to recall that he's had several one on one meetings w/ Putin without anyone else there from the US. Now perhaps we know what possibly rump was talking about, his personal business vs. that of the US instead...traitor.

Take care...

amywalk

(254 posts)
18. We need the interpreter's notes from the meetings. I'm sure the Russians have
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 04:37 PM
Feb 2019

a copy of the notes plus the audio adding to the already substantial amount of kompromat they have on Trump.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
4. Well, I don't recall him defaulting anywhere or any financial hardships so he must have...
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:30 PM
Feb 2019

received his loan from "somewhere"????

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
22. They probably delayed some capital investments.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 05:51 PM
Feb 2019

Turnberry is a very famous course, but does anyone know if they’ve made any changes to their facilities in the last couple years?

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
33. Well, they can SAY anything...
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:05 AM
Feb 2019

whether it's true or not is debatable. About 80% of everything that comes out of Trump's Quarter Pounder w/cheese hole are total lies. I'd say the 15 million pound number is far more accurate than the 150-200 million pound number. Trump is now, and has always been, cash poor. He values his name as his greatest asset. Really. He figures the name "Trump" is worth around $3 billion. Really! It isn't worth a steaming pile of crap right now.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
6. I wonder if this is going to be able to bump Northam off as the top story on the MSM...
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:42 PM
Feb 2019

I doubt it...

Doodley

(9,176 posts)
7. Russians linked to Putin bailed him out, but the price he paid was to give them America.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:43 PM
Feb 2019

Last edited Sat Feb 2, 2019, 05:32 PM - Edit history (1)

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
9. HE's probably broke as a joke
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 02:55 PM
Feb 2019

After russia sucked him in to enormous loans to keep afloat, and to use for leverage to use against him , and OUR country. He probably owes a lot more than anyone realizes. Con men who are frauds and stupid end up this way often.

iluvtennis

(19,908 posts)
20. But he's made a lot of money since in office-we (taxpayers) pay nearly 4 million for each Mar-a-lago
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 05:24 PM
Feb 2019

trip. Then there is the DC Hotel, etc. He always travels to his properties which means our taxpayer money is going to his organization

TexasBushwhacker

(20,254 posts)
23. Don't forget his kids
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:10 PM
Feb 2019

Every time they take a "business trip" they require a security detail paid for by John Q Taxpayer. Whenever possible, I'm sure everyone, including Secret Service, stays at a Trump facility and I'm sure they charge rack price. So the more Trump and Melania abd his kids travel, the more money Trump makes. Grifters gotta grift.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
34. The only reason he thinks he's a billionaire...
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 05:16 AM
Feb 2019

is because he values the name "Trump" to be worth $3 billion. Really! How deluded can one person be? After his failed and disgraced presidency is over the name "Trump" won't be worth a steaming pile of cow shit. When the SDNY and New York State Attorney General are finished with this cockroach I hope he's completely broke, that the government has taken everything for back taxes (in bankruptcy he could keep his penthouse, but not so for taxes) and he's living in a cardboard box with nothing but hundreds of his 20ft. long red ties to keep him and Melanie warm. That would warm the cockles of my heart, and my cockles could us a serious warming right now.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
11. he is and has been living off credit, something the rich can do for decades.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 03:16 PM
Feb 2019

Basically, a "yuge" credit card, I bet the cons been broke for years.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,254 posts)
24. Well, he was $985 Million in the red in the 90s
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:13 PM
Feb 2019

And with depreciation on real estate, he may still not be paying taxes. What a racket.

poli-junkie

(1,008 posts)
12. Where does Wilbur Ross and the Bank of Cypris fit in?
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 03:17 PM
Feb 2019

Why did ol' Wilbur get the Commerce Sec'y patronage?

jmowreader

(50,590 posts)
28. Deutsche Bank's regular lending arm hasn't loaned him money in years
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:50 PM
Feb 2019

Their Private Banking arm, which handles high-risk accounts, is the only part of DB that'll loan Trump any money.

Which is why in recent years Trump gets most of his money from Alfa Bank, which is a Russian firm. This is why Trump has an Alfa Bank server in Trump Tower.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
14. Trump Is A Real Estate Developer Living A Lavish Lifestyle...
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 03:42 PM
Feb 2019

...who lives his life by using other people's money. He could very well have his own money, but his MO is to get loans to get other folks to put their cash on the line in order to be tied to his brand.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,254 posts)
25. And get paid big licensing and management fees
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:14 PM
Feb 2019

until he sucks the business dry and then declares bankruptcy.

jmowreader

(50,590 posts)
29. No, but "real billionaires" take out a lot of them
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 06:55 PM
Feb 2019

Learn the abbreviation OPM. It will serve you well.

It means "other people's money." If it's cheaper to spend OPM and pay interest on it when they give it back than it is to pull money out of an investment, they'll use OPM every time.

IronLionZion

(45,640 posts)
19. Because American banks know he's a deadbeat?
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 04:59 PM
Feb 2019

Dude is so patriotic that he can't get a loan from an American bank?

And he's so fabulously wealthy that he still needs loans?

Prof. P.E. Name

(50 posts)
36. Trump's Overleverged and now Proof he "ain't" no billionaire
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:27 PM
Feb 2019

1. He had absolutely no way to borrow money from US-based banks
2. D Bank was involved, reportedly, in money laundering from questionable, international sources to developed, dollar-based economies
3. Billionaires do not borrow by posting equity on their own property, that would be the modus operundi of a highly leveraged borrower, ergo, tRump is not a billionaire (BTW, I just revalued my name to $1.5 billion, alas, half of tRump’s self-assessment but mine has huge amounts of integrity)
4. D Bank was concerned about collecting on their loan(s) from a defaulting, sitting US President proving he was a high risk
5. Around this same time, the $25 million settlement in the tRump fake University was coming due
6. Fake, pumped-up real estate deals with Russians, allegedly, had been the prime source of money (thanks so much Eric T for verifying that)
7. Pres. Putin-Puppet ain’t no billionaire,........and neither am I

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