Russia Pulls Out of Nuclear Treaty in 'Symmetrical' Response to U.S. Move
Source: MSN/NY Times
MOSCOW President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, in a decision that was widely expected, suspended his countrys observance of a key nuclear arms control pact on Saturday in response to a similar move by the United States a day before.
But adding to a sense that the broader architecture of nuclear disarmament has started to unravel, Mr. Putin also said that Russia would build weapons previously banned under the treaty and would no longer initiate talks with the United States on any matters related to nuclear arms control.
The Trump administration withdrew from the treaty, a keystone of the late Cold War disarmament pacts known as the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, saying that Russia had been violating it for years. The decision holds the potential to initiate a new arms race, not only with Russia, but also China, which was never a signatory to the 1987 treaty.
Beijing responded to the American announcement by warning on Saturday that the breakup of the treaty would undermine global security, but also by rejecting calls for China to join an expanded version of the pact.
Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-pulls-out-of-nuclear-treaty-in-symmetrical-response-to-us-move/ar-BBT58uv?li=BBnbcA1
This is what Russia wanted, for Trump to give Russia a pretext for withdrawing from the treaty. We need a President who is not a Russian puppet.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Russia and China are bound to team up. We'll be totally screwed.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Trump is a Russian agent.
walkingman
(7,700 posts)I guess now instead of $780B on Defense it will now be greater than $1T. Not only stupid but dangerous.
no_hypocrisy
(46,311 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,817 posts)All who were involved in this pullout need to be brought into the sunlight. This was planned by Trump and Putin. One of the undisclosed meetings, or disclosed meetings where the interpreter notes were confiscated? Please, whoever has info come forward. We are being sold out, lock stock and barrel.
MBS
(9,688 posts)DallasNE
(7,404 posts)How can Trump break all of these treaties when the Senate has ratified them with a 2/3 vote. And why is McConnell a Putin puppet that doesn't call hearings on these decisions. This totally flies in the face of all of the checks and balances written into the Constitution. No one man should be granted that level of power. Ever. Our Constitution has proven to be a worthless piece of paper in the face of corruption in the form of Russian money. I doubt Humpty Dumpty can be put back together again. The only winner is Putin. Our future is uncertain.
Igel
(35,390 posts)The president makes the treaties; the Senate ratifies them. Usually the president is given the right to terminate a treaty.
This isn't a new thing.
Evolve Dammit
(16,817 posts)All that accepted money are complicit.
Red Mountain
(1,740 posts)More like choreographed. Europe doesn't want midrange nukes. It was a problem for them and our relations with them prior to our agreement.
Remember the German anti-nuke movement?
More pressure on NATO.
Must have been what they were talking about when nobody else was around.
I'm sure Putin assured Trump it was harmless.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)For those of you who are German-deficient, here is the English version
Igel
(35,390 posts)Of course, Putin denied it. This makes the consequence of the treaty asymmetric. (The ABM treaty was the same way, to be honest.)
I'm planning on being completely not surprised when it turns out that real quick Russia goes into production or announces that they've "recently" produced several series of mid-range ICBMs. They'll say it's a result of the treaty being disposed of, but the strong suspicion will be that the plans were on the shelf and ready to go. This, of course, would also be a treaty violation, but after the treaty's abrogated who cares about another violation in 2018 or 2017.
There's another serious problem with the treaty.
We can't produce mid-range weapons. Russia couldn't. China could. And has. No MAD is easily available for that. This wasn't a big deal back in '87. Now, of course ...
And for sure, from China's point of view having competition undermines the world order. Well, not really, but it alters China's plans for how to establish a better world order.
EX500rider
(10,891 posts)The problem was Russia was producing them.
According to US officials, Russia violated the treaty by testing the SSC-8 cruise missile in 2008. The accusation was brought up again in 2014 and 2017. In 2013, reports came out that Russia had tested and planned to continue testing two missiles in ways that could violate the terms of the treaty.
The Trump administration says that a new Russian missile, designated the 9M729 and known to Nato as the SSC-8, breaches the INF Treaty. Back in December, Mr Pompeo gave Russian President Vladimir Putin 60 days to return to compliance or the US would also cease to honour its terms.
This, by the way, is not a new idea raised by the Trump administration. President Barack Obama too was concerned about what the Russians were doing.
The evidence has been put to Washington's Nato allies and they have all backed the US case.
The Russian countered with the silly argument:
However, Russian officials kept arguing that the American decision to deploy the missile defense system in Europe is a violation of the treaty. Russian experts also stated that the US usage of unmanned aerial vehicles such as the MQ-9 Reaper and MQ-4 also violates the INF Treaty.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46510957
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty#Alleged_violations
I also agree that the Chinese not being part of the treaty was a bad idea (maybe not so much at the time but they have been pumping out IRBM since then)
But there is a strong sentiment in both the Pentagon and White House that the agreement is out of date. US officials point to China's huge arsenal of intermediate-range nuclear missiles, which it has been able to develop unconstrained by any treaty.
Also Russian military journals have had some disturbing articles, hypothetical plans to use tactical nukes on NATO forces during a war with the theory that that we can not reply in kind as we would have no tactical nukes and would not want to go to strategic nukes (ie, fire ICMB's at Russia) and would therefore have to withdraw/surrender.
Turbineguy
(37,415 posts)was clever. Now that's another item on the work list. If they decide to keep trump in 2020 he can pull out of START.
Is trump aware that this is his Planet too?