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riversedge

(70,448 posts)
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 09:43 AM Feb 2019

Trump's tax returns: Leaked strategy reveals GOP plotting all-out battle to keep them secret

Source: raw story





05 Feb 2019 at 06:41 ET





Treasury Department officials are planning ways to keep President Donald Trump’s personal tax returns away from Democratic lawmakers.

A handful of top political appointees and lawyers are developing a strategy to counter Democratic subpoenas and prevent the IRS from turning over those documents, four sources told Politico.


Officials will accuse Democrats of seeking the documents to then leak to the public, which would be a felony, and then argue that Trump’s opponents cannot be trusted enough to see the documents in the first place.

“We are worried about leaks,” one source told the website. “Once we share it with any member of Congress, we assume it becomes a public document.”

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin will review any request for the returns, which administration officials have been expecting since Democrats took over the House last month, and could potentially reject them and plunge the executive and legislative branches into an extended and unprecedented legal fight.

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Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/trumps-tax-returns-leaked-strategy-reveals-gop-plotting-battle-keep-secret/



oh my---Recall all the times that the Republicans leaked Intel and communications from Comey the minute they got them!!!

Repugs will charge the Dems with a felony if leaked!!!!!!! Idiots.















Cool Blue Persuasion 
? @SonOfAlgos
2h2 hours ago
Replying to @RawStory

Now why in the world would Republicans want to keep Trump's tax returns secret.

What are they so afraid of.. 😎
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Claire
? @jazzforia
1h1 hour ago

Replying to @RawStory

Why? Only one reason. There's something to hide. Release his tax returns! Let the truth be told. See which team Trump is really playing on.
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U.S. President Donald Trump pauses as he announces a deal to end the partial government shutdown as while speaking in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington, U.S., January 25, 2019. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque
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Trump's tax returns: Leaked strategy reveals GOP plotting all-out battle to keep them secret (Original Post) riversedge Feb 2019 OP
Lie for Trump. Turbineguy Feb 2019 #1
republicans ramping up their WAR ON TRUTH Achilleaze Feb 2019 #2
Gosh, it's like they're aiding and abetting in trying to hide something. tanyev Feb 2019 #3
Golly! What could they be hiding? DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #4
On what grounds would they refuse to release them NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #5
link to original Politico story DBoon Feb 2019 #6
Not to worry volstork Feb 2019 #7
Former US attorney: Mueller "absolutely" has Trump's tax returns Gothmog Feb 2019 #50
Leaking is a Rethug tactic not a Democrat tactic. nt avebury Feb 2019 #8
So called "Christian" values. Iliyah Feb 2019 #9
Republicans are ALWAYS siding against America RAB910 Feb 2019 #10
And what seems to be the problem if they are "leaked" to the public? world wide wally Feb 2019 #11
trump has something to hide in his tax returns Gothmog Feb 2019 #12
I couldn't help but notice.. Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #18
So, how does that work? procon Feb 2019 #13
Exactly DallasNE Feb 2019 #19
I don't think its illegal to leak something that isn't classified CTAtheist Feb 2019 #14
Leaking someone tax documents is a felony. Calista241 Feb 2019 #45
Would that apply to documents subpoena'd? CTAtheist Feb 2019 #46
WHAT'S HE HIDING? leftynyc Feb 2019 #15
Absolutely, they must know there is something REALLY BAD in those tax returns. TNNurse Feb 2019 #32
And another thing......... MyOwnPeace Feb 2019 #37
So much for co-equal branches of government. Harker Feb 2019 #16
A President's Tax Returns Have Been Part Of The Public Record For Decades DallasNE Feb 2019 #17
The GOP are just Trumps enablers... BlueJac Feb 2019 #20
They match the size of his hands. greymattermom Feb 2019 #36
I'd stand on the House floor and read them into the record. bitterross Feb 2019 #21
"Once we share it...it becomes a public document." Grins Feb 2019 #22
I may be wrong, it was a long time ago, but isn't there Supreme Court precedent? Didn't they... George II Feb 2019 #23
Let's get Muenchin's while we're at it. dem4decades Feb 2019 #24
Hmmmm. Are they worried that something in his returns stinks like a dead fish in the noon day sun? Firestorm49 Feb 2019 #25
Could Mueller and SDNY already have them? Funtatlaguy Feb 2019 #26
Yes! Not to worry! Mueller's team already has them. Why do they have secret grand juries? machoneman Feb 2019 #28
Both groups have them Gothmog Feb 2019 #49
this is good though... dhill926 Feb 2019 #27
Falling on Trump's grenade for him. Okay, we'll crush you too. TeamPooka Feb 2019 #29
Who's to say that Weisselberg hasn't already handed the returns over to Mueller. Texin Feb 2019 #30
Mueller has had trumps tax returns for a while Gothmog Feb 2019 #48
I'm not a fighter any more, especially at 71 years old but, watoos Feb 2019 #31
Such a slappable face. TNNurse Feb 2019 #33
There are too many to count in this administration. Ace Rothstein Feb 2019 #41
I like the German word for it... ms liberty Feb 2019 #53
K&R Scurrilous Feb 2019 #34
This from the party that demanded to see Hillary Clintons tax returns from 1977-78 when she was mikeysnot Feb 2019 #35
But that was OK,,,,,,,,,,,, MyOwnPeace Feb 2019 #38
Congress has the right to request these returns. Vinnie From Indy Feb 2019 #39
Sounds like they have the legal right to subpeona tax returns from every single Republican... MichMan Feb 2019 #52
Mnuchin would get two serious charges immediately Lithos Feb 2019 #40
I don't trust munchy... Maxheader Feb 2019 #42
K&R Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2019 #43
What Exactly are they afraid itcfish Feb 2019 #44
We may finally see Trump's tax returns, and Republicans are panicking Gothmog Feb 2019 #47
Say hello to our subpoena. C_U_L8R Feb 2019 #51
It is time to release your returns scarytomcat Feb 2019 #54
I have no doubt that Robert Mueller already has those returns. nt Progressive Jones Feb 2019 #55

tanyev

(42,676 posts)
3. Gosh, it's like they're aiding and abetting in trying to hide something.
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 09:49 AM
Feb 2019

Didn't all the other GOP candidates in 2016 release their returns?

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
4. Golly! What could they be hiding?
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 09:50 AM
Feb 2019

pubican traitors all. They're so obviously guilty they shouldn't even be given the courtesy of a trial.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
5. On what grounds would they refuse to release them
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 09:50 AM
Feb 2019

to Congress?

I can't imagine it would hold up even in a Republican SCOTUS

procon

(15,805 posts)
13. So, how does that work?
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:39 AM
Feb 2019

Treasury Department officials, like every other gov't worker, is paid by taxpayer money which means they work for the whole country as public servants, not Trump's personal lackeys.

These Treasury Department officials shouldn't be doing special favors for Trump in direct opposition to what our political representatives want as a matter of oversight. Trump has his own lawyers and if he objects to Dems oversight investigations then he should pay them to go to the courts and try to counter the committee actions, not put the squeeze on civil service employees.

DallasNE

(7,404 posts)
19. Exactly
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:52 AM
Feb 2019

The taxpayers should not be paying Trump's personal expenses. Redact the Taxpayer ID and release the returns.

 

CTAtheist

(88 posts)
14. I don't think its illegal to leak something that isn't classified
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:39 AM
Feb 2019

While tax returns are PRIVATE, they are not CLASSIFIED. Once they are subpoena'd, I believe they can be released to the public as congress sees fit. Someone who is a lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
45. Leaking someone tax documents is a felony.
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 05:40 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/7213

It shall be unlawful for any officer or employee of the United States or any person described in section 6103(n) (or an officer or employee of any such person), or any former officer or employee, willfully to disclose to any person, except as authorized in this title, any return or return information (as defined in section 6103(b)). Any violation of this paragraph shall be a felony punishable upon conviction by a fine in any amount not exceeding $5,000, or imprisonment of not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution, and if such offense is committed by any officer or employee of the United States, he shall, in addition to any other punishment, be dismissed from office or discharged from employment upon conviction for such offense.
 

CTAtheist

(88 posts)
46. Would that apply to documents subpoena'd?
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 06:00 PM
Feb 2019

If you take that law literally, then the DoJ cannot subpoena someone's returns and then file them in court as evidence, for as soon as they are given to a court clerk, the judge, or anyone else, the "willfully to disclose to any person" would kick in. I think there has to be some exception for subpoena'd tax returns, perhaps in another paragraph or statute?

MyOwnPeace

(16,955 posts)
37. And another thing.........
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

WHY are they "aiding and abetting" for the _______________ (fill in the word(s) of your own choice) thief?

Harker

(14,113 posts)
16. So much for co-equal branches of government.
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:44 AM
Feb 2019

Those pesky Democrats... always trying to get to the facts of the matter.

DallasNE

(7,404 posts)
17. A President's Tax Returns Have Been Part Of The Public Record For Decades
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:45 AM
Feb 2019

So what is the big deal about making Trump's tax returns part of the public record. What are Republicans trying to hide? The Republican position is untenable. It is a key part of transparency.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
21. I'd stand on the House floor and read them into the record.
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 10:56 AM
Feb 2019

If I were a member of the House and had access to them that is something I'd seriously consider. Especially if there are part that prove he's lying about Russian deals and connections.

Doing that, on the floor, while in session grants the member of congress immunity. No federal charges could be brought. Doesn't mean they couldn't be censured, removed, etc. But that might just be worth it.

Grins

(7,263 posts)
22. "Once we share it...it becomes a public document."
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 11:06 AM
Feb 2019
“Once we share it with any member of Congress, we assume it becomes a public document.”

Like the Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, McCain, Romney, Obama tax returns....? All of whom released their tax returns, some going back as far as - 40-years!

Not one of them hesitated (well, Romney did, but eventually he released them and never bitched about it) in making their returns public. They did so willingly. Because they wanted the trust of the public.

So what is he trying to hide here...?

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. I may be wrong, it was a long time ago, but isn't there Supreme Court precedent? Didn't they...
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 11:16 AM
Feb 2019

...rule that Nixon's tax returns should be released to Congress?

Edit: I was wrong!

Firestorm49

(4,041 posts)
25. Hmmmm. Are they worried that something in his returns stinks like a dead fish in the noon day sun?
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 11:29 AM
Feb 2019

I am aghast.

He’s a frickin stinking crook and is getting the full monte privileged white boy protection from his complicit gutless crony party. Fuck them all.

No guts, no glory!!

machoneman

(4,016 posts)
28. Yes! Not to worry! Mueller's team already has them. Why do they have secret grand juries?
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 11:47 AM
Feb 2019

It's to protect the investigation and they got same long ago. How do we think Mueller gets his leads in where and which way to go in his financial investigations? Bank records from the banker's side, records from other lenders, etc. He may have even gotten the IRS to send him the returns w/o Mnuchin, that idiot, or Trump's lawyers from knowing under a grand jury threat. A Federal subpoena from a grand jury is a very powerful thing.

Deutsche Bank was subpoenaed long ago as was the longtime head of Trump's land organization as were countless other muckety-mucks that worked for him and still do. They all were legally threatened into submitting all kinds of docs long ago....which Mueller's team reviewed and pursued other avenues of illegal ventures that motley crew go into.

Heck, even just today a subpoena for the inauguration committees countless law violations (access, sanctions relief, contributions, etc.) was issued although IMO that would ensnare a lot of RNC and Trump Org. types more so than Trump himself. That is, all but Ivanka who was touted as the main organizer for those where paying attention.

I'm not worried at all although it would be nice for us Dems to get the details and leak them to the Post and NY Times!

Texin

(2,600 posts)
30. Who's to say that Weisselberg hasn't already handed the returns over to Mueller.
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:06 PM
Feb 2019

The Trump family bag man has been cooperating with the Mueller team for months now and he's the one who has been the font of information and records for the family and for the corporation for decades. Hell, copies of those are no doubt in files in tRump's office there. (I've never known an exec that didn't keep copies of his/her personal tax records in a file in his/her office). Those returns can be, and no doubt have been, gathered by subpoena and have been pored over by investigators. The information in those returns, some of them at least, are probably in the files of Deutsche Bank, which had received its own subpoenas in this investigation. Banks always require copies of relevant tax returns in order to securitize loans. Granted, most of this MAGAt's money has come from Russia lately, but nobody can credibly tell me that they've not by now been scrutinized by the Mueller investigation. Damnit! It's what the FBI and Justice Department do routinely in RICO and other cases of this nature.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
31. I'm not a fighter any more, especially at 71 years old but,
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:13 PM
Feb 2019

look at Mnuchin's face, doesn't it just want to make you bust his glasses right on the bridge of his nose?

Just kidding of course.

ms liberty

(8,627 posts)
53. I like the German word for it...
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 08:04 PM
Feb 2019

Backpfeifengesicht, which I've seen defined as "a face in need of a fist" or " a punchable face." I love that word. It gets brought up here pretty regularly now, because this administration has so many examples!

mikeysnot

(4,758 posts)
35. This from the party that demanded to see Hillary Clintons tax returns from 1977-78 when she was
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:26 PM
Feb 2019

a lawyer at Rose Law firm... during the Clinton starr inquisition

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
39. Congress has the right to request these returns.
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 12:52 PM
Feb 2019

By law, taxpayer information is supposed to remain confidential. But as University of Virginia law professor George Yin, author of a 2017 article on the law, told NPR, Congress didn't like being dependent on the executive branch to provide tax records.

When the "committee access" provision, as it's known, became law in 1924, Congress had been dealing with taxpayers' information in the Teapot Dome scandal afflicting the Harding administration and in a controversy involving former Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon. Like Trump, he had served in government while refusing to avoid conflicts of interest by letting go of his holdings.

The committee access provision has rarely been invoked, but here's how it would work:

1.For the party in control of the House or Senate, making the request is easy. It would come from the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee (the House panel that writes tax law), Senate Finance Committee or Joint Committee on Taxation. Democrats have been badgering the Republican chairs of those panels to act since February 2017 without success.

2.Once a request is made, no floor action is necessary. The request would go to Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, who oversees the IRS — not to the taxpayer in the Oval Office, who would officially be out of the loop. Yin said the 1924 law "gave the tax committees the unqualified right to request the tax returns of any taxpayer."

3.What would happen next is uncharted territory. Based on recent events, Trump might deploy Justice Department lawyers, and perhaps private lawyers, to fight the request in court. The process might resemble the not-infrequent legal battles over congressional subpoenas for executive branch documents. But the committee access provision has never been before a federal judge.

4.Were Congress to get access to Trump's returns, it would be easy for lawmakers to disclose the information, despite various privacy protections that exist for taxpayers. The chair or committee with Trump's tax returns could submit them to the full House or Senate if there's a legitimate legislative purpose. At that point, the returns would very likely quickly become available for the public to see on the Internet.

MichMan

(12,002 posts)
52. Sounds like they have the legal right to subpeona tax returns from every single Republican...
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 07:33 PM
Feb 2019

…. currently in the House & Senate also. Love to see all of them squirm while they are made public

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
42. I don't trust munchy...
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019

ABove and beyond my distrust for all that is conservative in this country...

The most obvious and probably accurate assumption is that all the
rightwing handjobs are dirty...

itcfish

(1,828 posts)
44. What Exactly are they afraid
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:59 PM
Feb 2019

his tax returns will show? You would think they would want this out in the open if there was nothing to hide.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
54. It is time to release your returns
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 09:14 PM
Feb 2019

what are you hiding
could it be you are not a billionaire
that you owe hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign countries
that you owe more on properties than they are worth
that you have limited income
that you have gotten millions from deals that never happened
that your golf courses are losing big money
that you are being dropped from management contracts because you have mismanaged properties

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