Virginia Attorney General Herring says he wore blackface in college
Source: Washington Post
RICHMOND Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring (D) said Wednesday he dressed in blackface during college, elevating the Capitols scandals to a new level that engulfed the entire executive branch of government.
In 1980, when I was a 19-year-old undergraduate in college, some friends suggested we attend a party dressed like rappers we listened to at the time, like Kurtis Blow, and perform a song, Herring said in a statement. It sounds ridiculous even now writing it. But because of our ignorance and glib attitudes and because we did not have an appreciation for the experiences and perspectives of others we dressed up and put on wigs and brown makeup.
Herring acknowledgment comes as Gov. Ralph Northam (D) faces calls for his resignation after a photo emerged on his 1984 medical school yearbook page featuring someone in blackface standing next to someone in Ku Klux Klan robes.And early Monday, Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax (D) denied the allegations of a woman who said he sexually assaulted her at the Democratic National Convention in 2004.
The scandals suggest a possible constitutional crisis. If Northam should step down, Fairfax would succeed him because of his position as lieutenant governor. Herring, as attorney general, would be next in line.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-atty-gen-herring-appears-in-blackface-in-photo-from-college-days/2019/02/06/9aa4aff8-2a26-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html
treestar
(82,383 posts)Ilsa
(61,712 posts)AG's driver will end up being governor.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,601 posts)It's purely a power play to gain the governorship and two other offices. Whomever the Repugs put in place could have video of himself (it would never be a woman) burning a cross in a black family's yard and the GOP would say it was "youthful indiscretion." That term worked for Dubya, after all, to excuse everything he did before the age of 40.
treestar
(82,383 posts)even if the same thing is found about them.
delisen
(6,047 posts)but alas even this person will be subject to "fake news". We are doomed as is our party. Surrender is our only option.
We will just have to rely upon the generosity of spirit of our Curren "president" and his party. (Lots of luck with that.)
Historic NY
(37,461 posts)one office at a time.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Until every political office in the entire country is red
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)He delivered a press release saying he did it.
Im guessing hes trying to get out in front of it before somebody found out.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)I'm sure its out there. At least take down one or two of their's in response. Or at least have a stale mate that way.
doompatrol39
(428 posts)...However, I'm not buying that a white 19 year old in Virginia in 1980 was THAT into Kurtis Blow. It's easy to forget how not-mainstream hip hop was at that point. Hell, it was controversial that at the time that MTV played Michael Jackson.
groundloop
(11,534 posts)I wasn't into rap, but I knew quite a few people who were. I think your generalization is off base.
doompatrol39
(428 posts)...1980 was when Blow's first album came out. Not saying it's not possible, just that it doesn't seem likely.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,740 posts)"Rapper's Delight" is a 1979 hip hop track by the Sugarhill Gang and produced by Sylvia Robinson. While it was not the first single to include rapping, "Rapper's Delight" is credited for introducing hip hop music to a wide audience. It was a prototype for various types of rap music, incorporating themes such as boasting, dance, honesty and sex, with the charisma and enthusiasm of James Brown. The track interpolates Chic's "Good Times", resulting in band members Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards suing Sugar Hill Records for copyright infringement; a settlement was reached that gave the two songwriter credits.
"Rapper's Delight" is number 251 on the Rolling Stone magazine's list of The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time and number 2 on VH1's 100 Greatest Hip-Hop Songs. It is also included in NPR's list of the 100 most important American musical works of the 20th century. It was preserved into the National Recording Registry by the Library of Congress in 2011. Songs on the National Recording Registry are "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."
The song was recorded in a single take. There are three versions of the original version of the song: 14:35 (12" long version), 6:30 (12" short version), and 3:55 (7" shortened single version).
{Edited} Mitaswell add this. It's in the original 4:3 format. The audience looks about 50-50 white-black.
Sugarhill Records
Published on Aug 24, 2015
Download Rapper's Delight on iTunes - http://hyperurl.co/qb0e54
Stream Rapper's Delight on Spotify - http://hyperurl.co/1lhrq2
Buy Rapper's Delight on Amazon - http://hyperurl.co/xdfmxn
Follow The Sugarhill Gang
Website: http://hyperurl.co/cdks3h
Facebook: http://hyperurl.co/uk2aan
Twitter: http://hyperurl.co/gynbqc
Instagram: http://hyperurl.co/hdnybg
Sheesh, that's dreadful audio. Let's try again:
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)I was a freshman in college that year (although I don't remember anyone at my school - UMASS/Amherst of all places) doing any black face because of that song! Most of the kids there were way more into -
1.) The Boss (Springsteen)
2.) Aerosmith and the J.Geils Band (Because. Massachusetts.)
2.) Pink Floyd
3.) Led Zeppelin
doompatrol39
(428 posts)That's my point. Was Rappers Delight getting some radio play? Sure. Were most white college kids where I was in the northeast close to NYC, let alone "a lot" of white college kids as is being claimed here that into rap? No.
But yeah, I'm sure a bunch of southern white kids were super into it and that was a really common thing.
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)blacks at UMASS at the time (half of those being grad students), most of what I saw were guys jumping up on tables doing air guitar to Springsteen! And then during the dead of night in the various dorm areas (UMASS was in the middle of farm land), the silence would suddenly be broken with competing 600W speakers blaring Van Halen's "Running With the Devil" vs Africa Bambata and the Soul Sonic Force's "Planet Rock", punctuated with people yelling "SHUT THAT FUCKING SHIT OFF" and other various and sundry expletives.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,740 posts)WTJU, UVa's FM station, played it. As for the mainstream rock station in C'ville at that time, "Three W V" (WWWV), not so much, or maybe not at all. That's the best I can recollect.
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)I still have my 12" "single" of it in a crate in my basement.
SKKY
(11,836 posts)...which I'm sure also get a lot of air play back then. They sure did in Louisville, KY.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,740 posts)I don't know if it made it to Charlottesville.
obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)Lots of white college kids at that time loved Rap. An no, it was not controversial that MTV played Jackson.
doompatrol39
(428 posts)...but it was considered groundbreaking at the time.
And I said "I find it hard to believe" not that it's not possible. Do you have any actual evidence to the contrary? Blow's first album came out in 1980 and was not certified gold until a few years later IIRC.
I went to college in the northeast in the mid 80's, before Run DMC hit big and I would hardly say "lots of white college kids" at that time, in that location liked rap. So the south? in 1980? Yeah, possible but it still sounds like a stretch to me. Not stating it as fact, just an opinion.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)doompatrol39
(428 posts)Hence "I find it hard to believe".
I don't recall stating anything was fact other than the year Blow's first album was released, the timing of it going gold, and the fact that I was a white college kid in the early to mid 80's in the northeast and rap was barely a blip on most white college kids radar at the time. So that is why I personally "Find it hard to believe" (which is an opinion).
The other poster said, without caveat that rap was very popular with white college kids in the south in the 80's.
One was stated as opinion based on a combination of specific factual information and personal anecdotal evidence.
The other was stated as a fact without anything even anecdotal to back it up.
People will argue about anything on this place. Good lord.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)doompatrol39
(428 posts)"Lots of white college kids at that time loved Rap." Stated as fact. Facts can be backed up by evidence.
"I'm not buying that a white 19 year old in Virginia in 1980 was THAT into Kurtis Blow" Stated as opinion, with the reasoning for that opinion also provided. However, I might add also with actual facts about when the record in question was released, some data as to the sales numbers, and the fact that I was the demographic in question at the time we are discussing.
So......was that person in college at that time? Down south? Do they have any kind of sales data? I was just asking what they were basing their factual statement on, since I provided the information on which I was basing my personal opinion.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)In FACT, the very ambiguity and subjectivity of the term makes it clear that's an opinion to me. Nice straw man though.
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)Good lord!
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)Here in Philly, they didn't even play "Rap" on the "black" radio stations - at least during the day. I could only hear it at night with the (somewhat "famous" ) "Lady B" who would play both Philly and NYC rap music on a show that came on at like 11:00 pm on Fridays - and this was on AM radio!
The "mainstream" (R&B) music at the time was still Disco (which was transitioning out) with Donna Summer and Barry White and Gloria Gaynor, etc. It was even difficult to hear Funk, which was running contemporaneous with these other genres since the early '70s. That's why we had the "basement parties" and later the cassette tapes with songs that were "cut" and "scratched" and otherwise mixed into a single flowing thing (nowadays the kids call their stuff "mixtapes" as one word - even though the youngins' today don't even use "tape" ).
fleur-de-lisa
(14,629 posts)atreides1
(16,110 posts)The Republicans must be smiling....
People are clamoring for Northam to resign because he wore blackface in medical school, Fairfax is being accused of sexual assault, and now Herring admits to wearing blackface while he was a 19 year old college student!!!
Here's a good headline:
VIRGINIA GOES BACK TO RED BECAUSE OF BLACKFACE AND SEX!!!!
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...between a 19-year-old doing it in 1980 and a guy in his mid-twenties doing it in 1984. Theres a whole different level of maturity (or lack thereof) in play.
Personally, should Northam and Fairfax both have to step down, I suspect Democrats will be inclined to forgive Herring rather than turn the state over to Republican control and I wouldnt disagree with that decision.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,382 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Shit, nobody
delisen
(6,047 posts)are we heading toward totalitarianism. Are we becoming what we claim to hate?
jalan48
(13,910 posts)DrToast
(6,414 posts)But at some point dont you have to look at who the person is today? He was wrong, but he was also 19 years old. Who is he now?
obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)DrToast
(6,414 posts)obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)LisaM
(27,850 posts)but isn't there some line of demarcation between darkening your face for a costume versus the type of blackface used in minstrel shows?
I'm not saying I approve of it - but the yearbook picture was way worse to my way of thinking (whoever it was in that picture) than going as someone in costume, particularly a living person. I'm happy to be enlightened on this point.
This reminds me of a number of years ago when Prince Harry was photographed in Nazi garb at a party - apparently you were supposed to come as something terrible - and it took him quite a while to overcome the bad publicity associated with the image (I think he was 20 or under at that point). The brain of a 19-year old male probably functions differently than it does later, especially as far as decision making.
That said, Virginia in the 1980s sure sounds a lot different from Michigan, at least the parts I lived in. I don't recollect anyone doing this.
obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)I voted for Jesse Fucking Evil Satan Helms when I was 19 years old. Because I was a 19 year old kid. I am embarrassed I did, but I was 19 and stupid. My vote helped this evil person get reelected.
This is starting to get ridiculous.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Purges always end well.
delisen
(6,047 posts)It's an implicit claim that the accuser must certainly be superior.
It's like Mabel in the church I was in in 1980. Nobody rose to her august standard, and her goodness was not properly admired or appreciated.
At the same time, it was also making sure that nobody could be considered better than her. So it felt like inferiority and bitterness or pettiness mixed in with a hefty dose of self-righteousness. Or perhaps she just thought that what she wanted should be imposed on everybody, so it was really a way of saying she properly deserved the power to run the lives of lesser creatures. Like many mental illnesses, the symptoms often overlap or shift over time.
delisen
(6,047 posts)Yo hooked me on that opening.
Polybius
(15,525 posts)I voted for Poppy Bush at 19 because his opponent admitted to smoking pot as a teen (what was I thinking?). However, the Governor wore blackface at 25. Not the same
obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)Polybius
(15,525 posts)AG should stay, Governor should go.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)My first vote was for Ronald Fucking Reagan. I cringe so hard.
Marcuse
(7,561 posts)Intense oppo research on Republicans yearbooks, etc.
bluestarone
(17,122 posts)We have comedians and dancers that all had routines that they wore black faces! I guess that was the way it was. Right or wrong that is the way it was back then, CAN"T change it. I wish we had a magic wand to just change shit BUT we don't!!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)underpants
(183,021 posts)videohead5
(2,189 posts)Going to have to forgive these people if they done something stupid when they was 19. If Northam can prove that's not him in the photo he should not resign.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and repubs are fucking laughing their asses off...
Freethinker65
(10,107 posts)Or would Republican voters even care?
hueymahl
(2,511 posts)To answer your (likely rhetorical) question.
obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)hueymahl
(2,511 posts)When are we going to wake up an learn? If you think our elected officials screwed up to the point of needing to be removed from office over this issue, lets show a little long-term rational thought and primary them at the next election. It does us no strategic good to remove them now.
Polybius
(15,525 posts)I did stupid things at 19, but stopped long before 25.
delisen
(6,047 posts)and be judged accordingly?
Polybius
(15,525 posts)But I do look at individual things and I decide on a case by case basis on what is and isn't forgivable (as in will I still vote for the person or not). I base this on the act, how much time has passed, and how old was the person at the time of the offending act.
I forgive the Virginia AG, as a 19 year old in 1980. The Governor, however, is different to me me. You can disagree, that's fine. It's just how I base my vote on.
obamanut2012
(26,183 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)We're now officially a laughingstock... Even Florida, Georgia and North Carolina folks on Twitter are clowning us...
I'm done and I can't take a second more of this
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Virginia is TOXIC.... Straight Up!
James48
(4,444 posts)ok- I went to college in the MIDWEST from 1978-1983,
And in 1979, in December, I attended A PEARL HARBOR DAY DANCE PARTY, in which I DRESSED UP IN A WHITE JUMP SUITE WITH A HEADBAND WITH JAPANESE CHARACTERS, and dressed as a KAMAKAZI Pilot!
This also involved large quantities of alcohol. I got the Japanese exchange student who lived on the same floor in the dorm, who spoke very little english, to paint the Japanese letters saying "Good Luck" on the headband.
The writing looked like this: がんばろう
which is different than the standard "Divine Wind" letters now found on the internet version today.
like this one: http://www.kimonorobestore.com/japanese-headbands-kamikaze.html
I had no intention of offending anyone- However, the following week, several "letters to the Editor" appeared in our campus newspaper saying that hosting a "Pearl Harbor Day Party" was in extremely poor taste, and was disrespectful to the dead.
My bad.
And that was as close as I ever got to the offensiveness similar to the Blackface incidents now coming to light.
I apologize to anyone offended- I did not mean to be insensitive or stupid. It just happened that way. I'm sorry.
(I also screwed up in that there were no Kamikaze's at Pearl Harbor, that happened much later in the war, not in the beginning, I blew it in several ways, offended families of service people who grew up with Pearl Harbor family stories, Japanese exchange students who were not happy with me, etc. I really screwed up. I am sorry!!)
jayschool2013
(2,318 posts)Was that wrong? (I identify as male.)
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,382 posts)ms liberty
(8,626 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)since 1984 wasn't his best year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/booming/revisiting-the-tawana-brawley-rape-scandal.html
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)no one's history is perfect and if you are going to call someone on a mistake they made 35 years ago then you better not have a worse mistake in your history.
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)of associating an activist who was bringing light to a now-discredited "victim" with someone who chose to smear whatever brown stuff he used, on his white face to "mimic" a popular black singer.
Your analogy isn't really applicable here because there are deeper issues at play with this "blackface" thing.
There seems to be a history of non-entertainer-associated white people smearing shoe polish or mud or whatever "brown stuff" on their faces to appear "black" but there is little if any history of the reverse happening. I.e., in general, if a young black girl wants to dress up as Snow White for Halloween, her mother doesn't smear white pancake makeup all over her daughter's face to have her go out as a "white" Snow White. She puts her in the standard Disney "Snow White" gown and she goes about her trick-or-treating. The outfit itself is so unique and was so prolifically shown over the past 80 years, that it easily identifies the wearer as "Snow White".
Similarly, there have been young white boys who love/loved Michael Jackson and his performances and have dressed up as the '80s version of him with the "white sparkly glove" and black outfit with hat, without the need to "brown up" (although I expect some did anyway). The outfit itself was identifiable enough. Of course the irony here is that MJ apparently had vitiligo (a skin pigmentation disease - I knew girls in school who had that along with some kids who were borderline albino) and with makeup and treatment, eventually ended up with "white" skin.
One of the underlying issues too is "ownership of culture", something that African-Americans have battled since being dragged kicking and screaming here to the U.S. hundreds of years ago. And what has made it difficult is the fact that it (my culture) is made up of a forced amalgam (due to slave-owner "breeding" ) of various African ethnic groups and their sub-cultures that had to survive and adapt within a European-based country. And then you have the irony where you find that the "oppressor" so desires to be like us that they cover themselves in "black"... I suppose as self-flagellation or something. It's literally love/hate.
As a final note - last year's "Black Panther" movie set the stage for a whole new set of quandaries for young white boys who love that character. The full Black Panther costume covers everything including the face but without the costume, how they handle the T'Challa character is a whole other issue that I expect many parents are trying to grapple with.
videohead5
(2,189 posts)Or was it done to emulate the rappers? That makes a difference.
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)and I am saying that as an AA... I really don't recall black folk "emulating" white anything - whether they are portraying "super heroes" or "princesses" or "historical figures", or whoever, by putting on white makeup. They just put on the costumes and go with it. The only time I would normally see that white face paint come out (not associated with an actor in a movie or tv skit like Eddie Murphy or Godfrey Cambridge) would be if the person was playing a clown or maybe even a mime, where the makeup was associated with that entity.
(Godfrey Cambridge)
So then the question should be - why do white folk do this?
We have a big issue that has been going on for 100 years here in Philly with our Mummers and those who keep trying to sneak in "black face" - to the point that this year, they did so by having a Mummer (doing what came across as the appearance of "black face" but actually being a real black Mummer) as part of one of what they call the "Comic" clubs, where he was playing the rapper JZ and had a club mate white Mummer playing the current city Mayor Kenney as a "lap dog" down on all fours with a leash being held by the "JZ" character.
The Comic Clubs & Brigades tend to be raunchy and they still have their "wenches" that they attempt to trot out, but there is a deeper level of issue.
And you have to ask why? What is this obsession to "be" what "you" (editorial "white" ) continue to oppress?
cannabis_flower
(3,769 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)but never saw it (not much of a comedy movie goer)! I know there were several "role reversal" things which included makeup (going either way) that came out over the years, but I think all stirred all kinds of controversy too.
cannabis_flower
(3,769 posts)and I'll say it was a singularly terrible movie. I didn't find it offensive, just bad.
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)And a lot of those "gag" comedy movies are just horrible, with little or no plot except to highlight the performers' antics.
True story but me and my sisters were banned from watching any "Three Stooges" on TV in our household, and to this day, over 50+ years later, I still can't watch them.
cannabis_flower
(3,769 posts)of slapstick comedy. His favorite movies are "Dumb and Dumber" and since he speaks Spanish "El Chavo del Ocho". This is a comedy about a bunch of kids, played by adults dress as children.
I said it looked like a show for kids and he said well, don't you like "Los Tres Chiflados". I had to think about it. That's The Three Stooges in Spanish. I have to admit, I find them funny but only in very small doses.
Historic NY
(37,461 posts)[link:
|]Pretty soon dozens of comedians will be out of work.
BumRushDaShow
(129,995 posts)But the question is, would it be acceptable to say, portray Jews with "hooked noses" (something that continues to happen in entertainment media and during Halloween, etc) or portray the Irish with red noses and falling-down drunk... and just say - well, "no harm was meant"?
nycbos
(6,044 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,137 posts)ends up as Governor, we have lost our way.
Worst democrat is 100,000 times better than the BEST republican. If I have to explain why this matters now more than EVER I must be in the wrong place.